Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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Jack Remington
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Okay, I haven't seen this yet, but I liked Man of Steel quite a lot, so let's use that as a proxy here. I also liked Watchmen and 300. I did NOT like Sucker Punch though, so there's that.
I read all sorts of stuff. Taking a look over at my bookshelf, the first titles that catch my eye are Catch 22, Fight Club, Blindness, Ulysses, and Into Thin Air.
Music: all sorts of stuff. All-time favorites are probably Led Zeppelin, Ludwig Van, Miles Davis, David Bowie, and Radiohead. Oh, and Muse.
Age: 32.
I'll report back after watching BvS.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Thats not the only thing that felt shoved in. Pa kent scene, bruce at wayne's graveyard scene etc should have been removed too
This movie feels seriously cobbled together. Cinefix called it overcooked, and that's what it is. There's no clear or meaningful narrative structure, it's just a bunch of shit shoved in together into a Snyder-shaped mess.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
It's doomsday, even if it was the best cgi of all time I'd probably get the same reaction
Regarding the action scenes, who else thought they were really bad? That was one of the worst car chase scenes I've ever seen. I had no idea what was going on at any time, or why was it even going on. Fucking hell Nolan's movies did it much better than this movie LOL. And the CGI fights at the end were just a complete mess of visual noise where I could not even begin to care about what was happening.
Snyder has failed this forum.
That was the worst.
I'm not one too nitpick about supernerdy stuff, but that was actually a premonition of the future, right? Forget Batman killing people in there (or in the actual movie's timeline). This is a future in which Superman LASERCUTS DUDES IN HALF.
I can't abide that. It was just gross.
Snyder has failed this forum.
That was the worst.
I'm not one too nitpick about supernerdy stuff, but that was actually a premonition of the future, right? Forget Batman killing people in there (or in the actual movie's timeline). This is a future in which Superman LASERCUTS DUDES IN HALF.
I can't abide that. It was just gross.
bryanee
Member
Well the entire knightmare stuff indicates that Darkseid has pretty much taken over and probably has Supes under control in some way.
Glass Shark
Banned
Because the plot of this movie is bad and dumb
Vampirolol
Member
Fuck Batman for killing people. Completely ruined an already flawed movie for me. And what the fuck at Wonder Woman having the theme repeating 3 times before moving? Was she farting?
I guess, but I still don't like seeing something like that.
It's a problem that is easily remedied though. They should've just shown her unconscious/knocked out (or maybe gagged). Either that or have her in some special facility (or a soundproof room).
Superman could save her in seconds, took Batman quite a while and the bad guy still didn't kill Martha as promised.
It could be explained with Lex taking precautions, however flimsy the explanation is. This hostage situation sucks, though. It discards any grey morality the film had. Going into the battle, we know that Batman needs to know the hostage situation for him to stop (otherwise Batman's character will be a gigantic prick). We can forget the first 90 minutes or so because it didn't matter anymore--the movie could open with Lex kidnapping Martha and forced Supes to fight Batman and it will still be the same.
Yea that was Flash
friskykillface
Banned
I give it a meh out of 10, solid 5
Boring at times but Batfleck was awesome B^)
Of course supes isn't dead , to fucking OP
My brother and I thought aquaman was going to give the spear "here you go"
Dammit zack, make that scene happen
Boring at times but Batfleck was awesome B^)
Of course supes isn't dead , to fucking OP
My brother and I thought aquaman was going to give the spear "here you go"
Dammit zack, make that scene happen
Yes.
friskykillface
Banned
That too, made me smh
Then who the fuck was that at the beginning of the movie calling dad. Please don't tell me he was adopted.
...I think you're seriously confused. Did you think Bruce became a full adult in 18 months?
... what? His parents died when he was a child, and in that scene he points out he is older than his dad ever became before he was gunned down.
EDIT: Are you talking about Alfred..?
I mean I guess the assumption was that Lex was going to kill her if he didn't fly off right away and fight Batman
Could say that he could have killed Lex and had like 40 mins to search
That's what I was thinking. Who the fuck is Dan. Also lex sent him a news clipping of the attack on the building saying you let your family die. I was thinking he was talking about his dad
broncobuster
Banned
Think he's confused about Jack, the guy who died in Wayne Tower in Metropolis.
serenewarfare
Banned
I liked the movie quite a bit. Kinda long and drags at points as most movies of its length do, but I loved Affleck and Eisenberg. I thought Gadot has potential as WW but we just didn't see enough of her to make a definitive judgement IMO. Cavill was fine enough, though I did like the stuff between he and Lois. I was entertained throughout most of it. I give it a thumbs up, and I was pleasantly surprised.
I think it was Dad, but shouldn't him be dead already? I was so confused too.
He's screaming Jack
Schweinehund
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I loved the movie. I seriously don't know what's happening right now. I have never disagreed with critics more. This was excellent.
I'm going to do a write up soon, but holy shit. I loved it. Top 10 cbm, maybe even top 5.
Half the audience applauded at the end, a kid was excited when superman's dirt moved (lmao), people clapped for WW's intro, there were about 5-6 different jokes the audience laughed at.
I though critics were mostly on spot with MoS. This film is better than MoS in just about every way.
I feel that several posters while not wrong, have been really misleading with what they're saying, and frankly either shallow or extremely misleading.
Avatar quote me if you want, I don't give a fuck.
I'm going to do a write up soon, but holy shit. I loved it. Top 10 cbm, maybe even top 5.
Half the audience applauded at the end, a kid was excited when superman's dirt moved (lmao), people clapped for WW's intro, there were about 5-6 different jokes the audience laughed at.
I though critics were mostly on spot with MoS. This film is better than MoS in just about every way.
I feel that several posters while not wrong, have been really misleading with what they're saying, and frankly either shallow or extremely misleading.
Avatar quote me if you want, I don't give a fuck.
"Watch me on UPN, Batman. After Moesha..."
Poodlestrike
Banned
Let's get the movie's problems out of the way.
Firstly, there's a serious lack of connective tissue. The whole first half is basically one abrupt transition between awesome moments after another. This doesn't really let up until the title fight. I think that the extended cut could solve a ton of these problems. So many scenes are like 30-45 seconds from greatness. There's also one or two scenes that really should be present but aren't; we need a scene where somebody lays out why people are wondering if Superman is responsible for the deaths following the massacre, and one detailing Lex's reaction to his exposure to the archive. If they turn up as well we're looking at a Kingdom of Heaven-esque turnaround. As is, I can see why a lot of people are frustrated. This is a movie that not only refuses to hold your hand, it straight up makes you do a lot of connecting the dots on your own.
Second, the soundtrack. One thing I didn't realize is that it's all very, very dark sounding. There really isn't an uplifting, triumphant sound in there. No lighthearted music. It ended up making scenes that are clearly supposed to be lighter in tone feel much darker, one early one in particular stands out. The thing with the African warlord who had Lois; you're clearly supposed to be going "oh shit it's Superman, here to save the day!", but the music says "oh no things are about to be bad!"
Now, the rest of the movie. There's a major misconception I keep seeing that I need to refute: this is not a cynical piece. It simply isn't. It's a refutation of Batman's speech from the trailer, about how there are no good men. It's a denial of the idea that his behavior, his callousness, the branding thing, that that's acceptable. That we must live as if perched on the edge of Armageddon. This is accomplished through Clark. You see how his doubts and uncertainty surround him, suppress him. Make him wonder if what he's doing is really the right thing, if there is a right thing. But then he comes back. He comes back because god dammit, the world needs heroes. It needs good people. And good people don't need to live charmed lives.
And that's what the movie is about. That life is going to kick you in the teeth, make a mockery of your efforts, but that that's not the end of it. That you can overcome, be more than you are. Be better than you are. And it delivers on those ideas in a big way.
I get why the disjointed front half would put some people off, make them stop paying attention and miss the message, but if you can keep on it, this is one hell of a film.
This is what I'm talking about. Connective tissue. if the Nightmare starts with Bruce spasming a little bit, maybe some weird screen effects, it becomes obvious that it's not a normal dream. Because duh, it's not. But it needs to be made a little more clear.
Firstly, there's a serious lack of connective tissue. The whole first half is basically one abrupt transition between awesome moments after another. This doesn't really let up until the title fight. I think that the extended cut could solve a ton of these problems. So many scenes are like 30-45 seconds from greatness. There's also one or two scenes that really should be present but aren't; we need a scene where somebody lays out why people are wondering if Superman is responsible for the deaths following the massacre, and one detailing Lex's reaction to his exposure to the archive. If they turn up as well we're looking at a Kingdom of Heaven-esque turnaround. As is, I can see why a lot of people are frustrated. This is a movie that not only refuses to hold your hand, it straight up makes you do a lot of connecting the dots on your own.
Second, the soundtrack. One thing I didn't realize is that it's all very, very dark sounding. There really isn't an uplifting, triumphant sound in there. No lighthearted music. It ended up making scenes that are clearly supposed to be lighter in tone feel much darker, one early one in particular stands out. The thing with the African warlord who had Lois; you're clearly supposed to be going "oh shit it's Superman, here to save the day!", but the music says "oh no things are about to be bad!"
Now, the rest of the movie. There's a major misconception I keep seeing that I need to refute: this is not a cynical piece. It simply isn't. It's a refutation of Batman's speech from the trailer, about how there are no good men. It's a denial of the idea that his behavior, his callousness, the branding thing, that that's acceptable. That we must live as if perched on the edge of Armageddon. This is accomplished through Clark. You see how his doubts and uncertainty surround him, suppress him. Make him wonder if what he's doing is really the right thing, if there is a right thing. But then he comes back. He comes back because god dammit, the world needs heroes. It needs good people. And good people don't need to live charmed lives.
And that's what the movie is about. That life is going to kick you in the teeth, make a mockery of your efforts, but that that's not the end of it. That you can overcome, be more than you are. Be better than you are. And it delivers on those ideas in a big way.
I get why the disjointed front half would put some people off, make them stop paying attention and miss the message, but if you can keep on it, this is one hell of a film.
This is what I'm talking about. Connective tissue. if the Nightmare starts with Bruce spasming a little bit, maybe some weird screen effects, it becomes obvious that it's not a normal dream. Because duh, it's not. But it needs to be made a little more clear.
Why don't you just watch the movie instead of making 10 posts per page in all 4 of its threads. Time is money yo.
And as for your answer, the whole knightmare thing was probably triggered by Flash. It was a dream inside a dream.
I think wanna be vague about it
But I almost feel like The Flash vision is Bruce's and the Knightmare sequence is The Flash's.
Like we never really see Bruce react to the Knightmare but we see him react to The Flash.
That part was just weird
And think included to get another action sequence, another scene with Superman vs Batman and because Zack thought it looked cool.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Bale's Begins performance remains best incarnation of Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Affleck was innoffensive, but also lacked any sense of character presence as Wayne. His presence as Batman was fantastic in that scene with the two cops, but that was entirely down to the direction of that scene.
Affleck was innoffensive, but also lacked any sense of character presence as Wayne. His presence as Batman was fantastic in that scene with the two cops, but that was entirely down to the direction of that scene.
FlutterPuffs
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Books, music, movies? Across the spectrum. I'm also working in the animation industry and dabbled in screenwriting. My age is 31.
I'm not saying this is a good movie, but I enjoyed it. It's probably because I sorta understand what Zach Snyder is going for even though he fails in the execution.
Oh and I hated Man of Steel so much that I heckled it the first time I watched it in the cinema.
Poodlestrike
Banned
The Knightmare is the impetus for him forming the League. That's the "feeling" he has. He's seen a bad future, and he can't explain it.
Affleck is better than Clooney for sure. Outside that...he is in the crowd.
Faraci says the knightmare is not part of Terrio's script, but Goyer's. Zack decided to keep it. I suppose he though it was cool.
Hey sculli, what did you think about the movie?
ShaoranWright
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Just came back from the movie, and I agree with you 100% my man.
I would like to add that, in the trailers, I HATED Jesse Eisenberg as Lex, but DAMN his performance changed my mind, I completely bought his speech at the party as this extremely intellingent but fucked up person with mental issues, and at the end, when they're cutting his hair, it felt SO GOOD seeing how he his look was morphing into the more traditional luthor that we've always known.
And thank you Snyder for taking the cues from the Arkham games to make the fighting scene where batman goes to rescue Martha, it ended up been an amazing fight.
I'd say it's there to warn Bruce that if Lois dies, so does the world due to Clark. The more I think about it, the more it screams Injustice to me.
Flash tells him blatantly to find the others though and Bruce's mistrust were correct
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