Wasn't it bullshit to begin with in the comic?
I've got no empathy for Tony Stark anyways.
This is a major ass beating in the making right here.
Captain America: Civil War - Final Trailer
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Wasn't it bullshit to begin with in the comic?
I've got no empathy for Tony Stark anyways.
This is a major ass beating in the making right here.
BrokenFiction
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QFT. #TeamCap
I think the funny thing is that I would probably agree to a superhuman registration act in real life, I mean, they are walking weapons of mass destruction after all, but
1 - It's hard to go against Captain America on anything. He's almost always right by default.
2 - Iron Man's side on the comic book is like, the worst debate team in the history of mankind. They do not make their point well at all, and then after not making a good argument, they go and do straight-up evil stuff like secret prisons and a goddamn murdering Thor clone.
If the movie's script can somehow make Iron Man not-evil while arguing his point, we might be in for some serious make believe discussion about laws here.
1 - It's hard to go against Captain America on anything. He's almost always right by default.
2 - Iron Man's side on the comic book is like, the worst debate team in the history of mankind. They do not make their point well at all, and then after not making a good argument, they go and do straight-up evil stuff like secret prisons and a goddamn murdering Thor clone.
If the movie's script can somehow make Iron Man not-evil while arguing his point, we might be in for some serious make believe discussion about laws here.
In the comics, his side actually made sense in that there's just a shit-ton of people on costumes doing their own shit and its pretty much impossible to hold all of them accountable, so they try setting up a system. The problem was they just made him a straight up villain with all his methods, arresting the opposition, using villains, the off-universe prison, all that stuff.
Here is kind of the opposite. Tony hasn't quite lost it yet, as much as he is just incredibly misguided, but his argument now doesn't make sense, since the Avengers were all being supervised anyway, until S.H.I.E.L.D. collapsed in WS. So there's basically just a single event (That we have seen) were they operate without any supervision, and that was mostly Tony's fault.
That said, they are balancing it a bit I guess by also having Bucky be part of the main conflict and that possibly giving Tony some personal ties since its implied The Winter Soldier killed his parents. So Tony also gets pushed by Cap defending this guy instead of letting him stand trial. Of course this is also offset by the character having being brainwashed, and that the trailer states that "they" are not out to give him a fair trial anyway. So who knows.
All that considered, it at least shouldn't be the one-sided story that the original Civil War was.
Chadwick Boseman will be Ant-Man's size on the Chinese poster.
Pai Pai Master
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Yeah, it's nice that they're avoiding saying too much outside of what the trailers indicate. I feel like you can get most of the plot if you dig deep into the footage shown, but at the same time they haven't even shown any of Zemo, and the roles that Panther and Spider-Man play are both still unclear.
Discotheque
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They were smart to exclude Zemo. Keeps the focus on iron man vs cap.
Has Martin freman even been shown yet?
Has Martin freman even been shown yet?
Yeah, we've only had a few trailers with mostly the same settings in each one. Maybe they've learned from what happened with Ultron when they had a new clip every other day.
PhoncipleBone
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They are taking a page from Winter Soldier's advertising by not showing too much. The Hydra twist was out of nowhere when that hit.
BrokenFiction
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I've been hoping this was the case. I almost didn't click on that new International trailer for this reason.
BronsonLee
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Not one lick
I was lucky enough to see Winter Soldier a month in advance thanks to Philly winning a fan screening contest. That shit WRECKED me. It also ruined Agents of SHIELD for me because I knew that shit was going to throw off that show
He was in a wide shot in the first trailer for a fraction of a second, next to Sharon Carter.
Jorok Goldblade
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It was the best thing to ever happen to that show. Took it from garbage tier to greatness overnight.
Get your angry tweets ready, then.
PayOffWizard
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Who will have the better MCU debut? - Black Panther or Spiderman?
Personally i think Black Panther will still the show, much like quicksilver did.
Personally i think Black Panther will still the show, much like quicksilver did.
DOFP Quicksilver obviously.
Pai Pai Master
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He's only seen very briefly in one of the trailer shots where Cap and Falcon are turning their gear over
BKatastrophe
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I understand why they don't put "Captain America" on the poster, but why put "The First Avenger"? Like, that was the subtitle for the first one.
German poster featuring Cap without his helmet.
Marvel's The First Avenger
Marvel's The Winter Soldier
Marvel's Civil War
Huh. I actually really like that.
downplaying the US nationalism for certain other markets I guess
Well, he's completely absent from the japanese trailer.
Discotheque
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it would be nice. but man spiderman is a behemoth personality. that little glimpse of him in the trailer alone got the majority of the buzz.
i hope black panther rocks. and i wonder if they give him some regional african accent or he keeps it straight american or what. please no british accent. chadwick looked WOAT status in this
German poster featuring Cap without his helmet.
That's a nice fucking poster.
ChosenPredator
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gonna be alot of dead super hero bodies in infinity wars episode 1.
Orbis Tabula
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So, is there a reason Spidey and Antman get screwed, poster wise?
BKatastrophe
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I don't see how adding "The First Avenger" downplays that anymore than simply removing "Captain America" does. It just looks dumb.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Neither will be main characters probably.
Byakuya769
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Lost me at several points, none more than claiming Jessica Jones as better than Daredevil.
BKatastrophe
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Where did it say that?
Live Free or Die
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Couldn't The Vision just wipe everyone out if he wanted to?
BKatastrophe
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Assuming that, why would he?
Yeah, first he and SW have to have kids.
Which I still don't understand how that happened...
I remember seeing two separate articles that basically claiming this for both of them. That neither of them had any takes on the accords and they were mostly going to be a source of comic relief. Will try to look for those.
Exactly. Which is why I was surprised they didn't call this movie "Avengers: Civil War" in the foreign markets where the name "Captain America" doesn't fly.
Live Free or Die
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I'm not saying he would. It was just something I was wondering since The Hulk and Thor aren't there, isn't he the strongest one out of the group? I'm not really familiar with the comics. Most of my Marvel knowledge comes from the 90's Marvel cartoons. lol Spider-Man, X-men etc..
Byakuya769
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"why the MCU Netflix series Jessica Jones has had a stronger point of view than the films, while Daredevil (despite other problems) has a more definitive visual style." In the context of narrative blandness as critique.
Given he has an infinity stone, he is arguably stronger than Thor and Hulk. It will be inreresting to see how they will downplay this.
They will either take advantage that he is, partially, kind of a robot or scarlet witch will use her powers to make stories go the way the writer wants.
BKatastrophe
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I'm still not sure how it's calling JJ better than DD, because it's also bashing the MCU for being bland visually, and calling DD better on a visual level. So all I'm seeing is them each getting complimented for different things in a part of the article that's calling them both better than the films. Not that one is definitively better than the other.
Live Free or Die
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Oh ok. Yeah that's what I thought since he has the infinity stone. Thank you for the info.
It's like they didn't watch TWS at all. Especially with those comments on fight scenes. And Knowhere in GotG completely undermines the knocks against settings.
lmao @ 12 mediocre films in a row. Fuck outta here, dude.
If Zack Snyder was directing and David Goyer was writing, The Vision would totally try to kill all his friends over a UN treaty. Yes.
Y'know, I still feel that The Avengers is a movie that hasn't aged one bit mostly because of how purposeful it was. The entire movie is wholly contingent on the audience collectively rooting for the concept itself to succeed which is why it's so wonderfully self-indulgent and optimistic about making it happen. Experiencing how that movie was the payoff after years of buildup was one of the most amazing things I got to experience and I'm sure that's a sentiment shared with many. So rewatching that Road to Civil War super cut that was posted a page ago it dawns on me how so much of these concepts are still important to the social osmosis. Ever since Avengers ended the lingering questions are constantly posed; how far this concept can be taken and when the train will run out of steam. Ultron was fairly overstuffed, though it didn't necessarily deter the trajectory - even if it raises a whole bunch of skepticism. And I think that theme feels somewhat integral to this movie.
Maybe that's the real "reason" why some like to call this the true Avengers 2. Much like the first Avengers it seems to pose a sort of hard question in regards to it's own circumstance. Looking at it on paper it's easy to see how the MCU has practically gone out of control, hence the way Thunderbolt Ross recites all these major events, hence the way the entire "concept" is being threatened with a ball and chain, hence the entire ideological battle these guys are stuck in. I still feel like Ultron was a good movie but unlike the first one it felt like a good movie where the investment was comparatively on account of an inconvenience - less a sequel and more just an extended episode of the Avengers' adventures. That said many of those themes seem to be taken into account now as pivotal universe reshaping points for this movie and the MCU. In the first Avengers the question was "will this movie work?" and in Civil War it's "how can this universe continue in this same direction?" This seems more to be the movie that's actually challenging the entire concept of The Avengers, but this time in terms of it's continued existence.
Shit though maybe I'm just spouting obvious hot air but this movie is just really fascinating to consider and generally an important point that is going to make or break this movie (especially now that we've got one crossover movie this year that dropped the ball somewhat spectacularly). The part that got to me most in that fan made supercut wasn't the Steve call back, but Tony's line they threw in from Iron Man 3. "You start with something pure, something exciting. Then come the mistakes, the compromises."
Just capping it off with that it ends up really putting into perspective how, even among the jockular exterior, there's just been a consistent throughline among the ups and downs. It really feels like it sums up the state of the Avengers as of present; both in the actual movie and in terms of being a concept/franchise, and if the Russos pull this theme off well, Civil War could easily be the best movie in this franchise - assuming all these heroes on the big screen won't be overstuffing things. But that's just me spitballing.
Maybe that's the real "reason" why some like to call this the true Avengers 2. Much like the first Avengers it seems to pose a sort of hard question in regards to it's own circumstance. Looking at it on paper it's easy to see how the MCU has practically gone out of control, hence the way Thunderbolt Ross recites all these major events, hence the way the entire "concept" is being threatened with a ball and chain, hence the entire ideological battle these guys are stuck in. I still feel like Ultron was a good movie but unlike the first one it felt like a good movie where the investment was comparatively on account of an inconvenience - less a sequel and more just an extended episode of the Avengers' adventures. That said many of those themes seem to be taken into account now as pivotal universe reshaping points for this movie and the MCU. In the first Avengers the question was "will this movie work?" and in Civil War it's "how can this universe continue in this same direction?" This seems more to be the movie that's actually challenging the entire concept of The Avengers, but this time in terms of it's continued existence.
Shit though maybe I'm just spouting obvious hot air but this movie is just really fascinating to consider and generally an important point that is going to make or break this movie (especially now that we've got one crossover movie this year that dropped the ball somewhat spectacularly). The part that got to me most in that fan made supercut wasn't the Steve call back, but Tony's line they threw in from Iron Man 3. "You start with something pure, something exciting. Then come the mistakes, the compromises."
Just capping it off with that it ends up really putting into perspective how, even among the jockular exterior, there's just been a consistent throughline among the ups and downs. It really feels like it sums up the state of the Avengers as of present; both in the actual movie and in terms of being a concept/franchise, and if the Russos pull this theme off well, Civil War could easily be the best movie in this franchise - assuming all these heroes on the big screen won't be overstuffing things. But that's just me spitballing.
Byakuya769
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One lists a qualifier, the other is just naked praise.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Having one gem isn't like having a sixth the power of the Infinity Gauntlet. If you took the full gauntlet and removed just the Power gem it would drop in strength immensely.
Certain specific ones would be crazy overpowered in certain hands, though... like Wanda with Reality.
Vision will probably be engaging Scarlet Witch since she poses a great "threat" in terms if immobilizing them. That said it's important to remember that he's no powerhouse in contrast to others and even the mindbenders have their limits. In terms of getting rid of Ultron they only needed him to wipe him out from the Cloud™.
Seems a little early for these. They must be planning on marketing the fuck out of this one.
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