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Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son
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made for like the sickest AMV ever though I guess
I don't understand why we got a Bruce backstory we've already seen several times, but Wonder Woman's story was ¯_(ツ_/¯
She was just a visitor in this film. They will give her origins and explain more of her abilities in the solo film.
It felt really out of place.
I'm wondering if that's a song that'll show up again on her solo movie.
Indeed, Gadot spoke about this in an interview I saw earlier. She named off a handful of superheroes and talked about how they've had multiple origin stories but we've never seen Wonder Woman's thus far. So I'm sure will get a lot of that in her movie.
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Might have been the worst part of the movie for me, that song playing at that moment. I didn't mind Wonder Woman's expected entrance right there, but damn was that music a low point for me.
It reminded me of the Catwoman scenes in The Dark Knight Rises.
Her theme is really awesome, but it's blasting with these thunderous drums in a scene where it's just Bruce staring at a picture on a computer screen. It's like the most epic browsing of a tumblr blog of all time.
Like, shouldn't just a couple bars of the guitar riff be enough for a scene like that - just to give you a taste? Then you revisit it in the full arrangement during the final battle with the drums and all. You know - escalation.
Like, shouldn't just a couple bars of the guitar riff be enough for a scene like that - just to give you a taste? Then you revisit it in the full arrangement during the final battle with the drums and all. You know - escalation.
This is one thing I really like about this and MoS. Watched Superman Returns for the first time a few months ago and having Lois not know Superman's identity was such shit. I totally agree. Lois is that island.
Why should that give me hope that Joker isn't a "deranged" Robin?
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What was so good about her? I mean she looked cool and looked like she was the least struggeling in the final fight. Almost seemed like she could have taken out Doomsday by herself.
But as someone who doesn't know much about the character, is she travelling the earth looking for monsters to kill? Like a female Batman, going undercover gathering info on suposedly evil people? Is this how she was presented in the comics?
I was dumbfounded by her just being there and interfering with Batmans stuff, then she seemed to just wanted to leave on a plane... why I'm not sure. Didn't she say she was there because of Superman? Then she decided to stay because of the fight in the news.
What was her motivation for her actions?
The scene where superman and Lois are saying that they love each other reminded me of something out of the naked gun. It's the shot composition. Them gazing longly at each other on the exteriors of the frame while, behind them but centered on the shot, doomsday shoots laser beams at a man dressed like a bat while tender music plays. LMAO
Snyder was on his usual DBZ marathon while directing this movie.
A sense of smug intellectual superiority pretty much identical to the one he's feeling right now.
That's the annoying thing about arguing with his types. He's not worth the brick wall debate that he would undoubtedly ensue, but because of that, he's gonna leave thinking he won by the fact that we don't see the clear fault in what was written while he does. These things either just end with giant walls of text trying to dissect every statement to the point of not seeing the forest through the trees, or you don't do that and have this egotistical stalemate where both parties are assured in their rightness and annoyed the other party can't see it.
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This is pretty intense. Are you sure you're talking about me?
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Honestly, the mere fact that we get to see Wonder Woman when DC (and until recently, everyone) thought female superheroes weren't worth putting on the big screen.
She one ups Bruce in her civilian identity. She isn't a sex worker or straw woman feminist (both surprising for something based so much on Frank Miller's sensibilities).
She's a competent fighter, does what she needs to do, and looks cool doing it. Not a high bar to reach, but the fact that the bar is even there is still surprising to me.
No worries.
Maybe we'll find out in Suicide Squad. And then I can stop watching these movies.
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Dont mind about her too much. She's just there to promote the upcoming DC films
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I just about blew a blood vessel every time Batman killed someone, and his brand is a death sentence for people in prison? What the fuck?!
And Martha's name being a such a ridiculous macguffin (I think that's the right term?) was some Z-grade writing right there.
And those dream sequences... It's hard to say if there's ever been a more obtrusive attempt at world building. There's no build up to them, they largely make no sense, and they pretty much bring the film to a dead halt.
Everything really was a goddamned mess here. It's essentially two films slammed together and then shoved in a blender. It has the same faults as Man of Steel but then has its own on top of it.
And Martha's name being a such a ridiculous macguffin (I think that's the right term?) was some Z-grade writing right there.
And those dream sequences... It's hard to say if there's ever been a more obtrusive attempt at world building. There's no build up to them, they largely make no sense, and they pretty much bring the film to a dead halt.
Everything really was a goddamned mess here. It's essentially two films slammed together and then shoved in a blender. It has the same faults as Man of Steel but then has its own on top of it.
Well, that's less clear because as you know, comic->movies aren't clear transplants of characters. What her motivation is in this incarnation isn't as touched upon here. What we know is that she was a defender of the world, but grew jaded and disenfranchised with the world of men. Why she hung around as a billionaire on the other hand is a bit lost on me, but for why she fought, I'm pretty sure it's because she recognized the danger and realized she had to take up her arms again.
Her origin movie should clear much of this up.
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Indeed.
Don't worry. I got exactly what you were saying in your original post. I wasn't joking when I said thanks for posting. It was a take on the film I didn't see posted anywhere else and it made me think about the film I saw in a different way.
And it had nothing to do with what he was quoting.
Her whole presentation. We finally get WW and they don't mishandle her. She's great in battle(the grin because the fight was tough) and smart enough to steal from Bruce.
There's enough mystery that her movie has a lot to go off of and now we know the character.
Thanks, I appreciate that.
I like to write out stuff like this, and I'll probably do more as the film rests in my mind.
Maybe with time, the stuff Batman does will become more palatable. I would like it if the film aged better than my immediate impressions suggest.
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WAZZY!
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(next April, we're baaaaaaaaaack. 😀
I don't think it will, unfortunately.
She's 5000 years old. So she knows quite a bit about things.
She comes from Greek mythology, so she has plenty experience with Greek gods (her father is Zeus in some origins, whilst others say she was formed from the earth - the films will be going with the origin of Zeus as her father), and monsters. So with Doomsday making an appearance she felt she better help out since she's had experience with many monsters of various types.
I don't fully recall her saying she was there for Superman, I thought she was trying to recover the old photo from 1918 that Bruce found, but that may be something I missed so you could be right there.
I did like the bit about lex talking about Zeus and so forth as if they're just simple legends and then you see them cross to her for her reaction. I found it somewhat amusing as he's talking of her father, but has no idea anyone related to him could ever possibly be in the room at all.
Oh and I loved when she finally appeared in her costume and the music played for her, and her finding the fight amusing. It was my fave bit of the whole film.
I thought that was a cute touch, despite not liking Zeus being her dad. (I'm guessing that's what they're going with for the movies.)
Also the flash cameo was super weird. He looked odd and I still don't understand it's purpose plus the cut in after an already weird cut made it worse.
Was it setting up something in the future or did it have to do with the movie?
When that first trailer drops I better see you in the thread.
Was it setting up something in the future or did it have to do with the movie?
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When that first trailer drops I better see you in the thread.
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<nods>
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I'm pretty sure the news report states it's only happened to two guys in the past two years. Also, nobody is stated as actually dying from the brand, just some criminal with the brand got jumped and left in critical condition. Being ostracized in prison is almost like a death sentence.
I think it was supposed to show that Bruce/Batman has become a ruthless individual after the events of Man of Steel. Alfred even alludes to it in that very scene. It's just handled very poorly if that's the point they were trying to get across.
Also, the individuals receiving the brand would already be targeted in prisons anyways.
Partially a setup for Darkseid.
There's a quick shot during the fight where she's knocked back by Doomsday, and has this, "oh, so that's how its' going to be is it?" playful look on her face. (I think it was in one of the trailers.) That little moment was the most enjoyable in the film, IMO. She was allowed to be more than stern - she knew it was a tough fight but was kinda having fun with it.
Yeah, I prefer her origin being from the earth too, but I think they figured it too out there for the films for whatever reason.
Charles Roven revealed a while back that they'll be going with Zeus as her father. You can find one of the pieces here:
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/conte...-dark-knight-batman-vs-superman#axzz43u1e47sy
She even said something to the effect of "I've fought unstoppable beasts before." It was clearly an "I DOES THIS" moment. Bad ass.
Wonder Woman is the only character I feel I have any hope of actually thinking is done justice in this continuity. Thank god she was used sparingly, because anything more would have done too much damage.
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Was there a glowing Omega sign on the ground in the desert dream of Batman? That's also a Darkseid thing isn't it?
I only know this because I've read it here in a gaf comics thread months ago. When I looked around me in the theatre, that was completely lost on most people, to them it was just another strange sequence in the movie.
Thanks! I saw someone else mention it but didn't know if it was confirmed.
Yes, that's his symbol. The weird flying things (Parademons) were also his.
We just got back from seeing this, and I speak for my entire group of pals in saying that we were actually surprised by how we felt after leaving. Chalk it up to days of reviews and the open season of derision heaped on this setting us up with truly dirt-level expectations, but I can't find it within myself to hate this movie. There's something decent here underneath layers of crap. Some moments I enjoyed: The opening sequence was terrific in how it connected Bruce to the events of MoS. The fight scenes were well done, and seeing the trinity on screen kicking ass was truly exciting. There's more humor than I expected (thanks to Perry White and Alfred), and the violence (killing) was tamer than I had imagined despite a couple really jarring moments.
But...we all agreed that Batman is kind of the worst thing about this. I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could come out of this thinking that Batman was a highlight. I'm not talking about Ben Afleck. He did what he could with what he was given and if this were a better Batman, he could've represented by favorite performance among the entire lineup of film Batmen.
Bats is kind of a dummy, isn't he? I guess years of experience really lost out to anger and fear, which I suppose was a thread that could've been exploited to greater effect if they had more time. Impotent rage is a great plot motivator for if you really fear or hate something, but this movie doesn't really bother to connect the dots with his current murderous hatred of Superman and his tragic past.
He's so easily manipulated that he comes of as an idiot of the highest order. At some point I tried to rationalize it by taking into consideration the toll that 20 years of constant pain and heartbreak must have had on his mind, but man I couldn't keep defending him for long. By the time the big title fight came along I had already lost all hope in the character, which wasn't at all fixed by the...
180 degree turn he does after Clark FINALLY says something about Martha. I couldn't get Roger Ebert's voice out of my head during that fight. FUCKING SAY SOMETHING, Clark! I remember that Ebert derided some stupid comedy a while back by stating that it was the kind of movie that would immediately end if one of the characters said one single honest sentence to the other. This is that to a tee. This isn't a battle of conflicting ideologies, just two stupid meatheads butting their horns.
Anyway. Moving on for now.
So just to be clear, Superman didn't kill that guy holding Lois hostage in the beginning desert sequence, right? He straight up tackles the dude through like 5 walls. Sometimes in this movie (most of the time it concerns Batman), it's hard to tell if there's actually intentional killing, or if it's just negligence on the part of Snyder.
But...we all agreed that Batman is kind of the worst thing about this. I have no idea how anyone in their right mind could come out of this thinking that Batman was a highlight. I'm not talking about Ben Afleck. He did what he could with what he was given and if this were a better Batman, he could've represented by favorite performance among the entire lineup of film Batmen.
Bats is kind of a dummy, isn't he? I guess years of experience really lost out to anger and fear, which I suppose was a thread that could've been exploited to greater effect if they had more time. Impotent rage is a great plot motivator for if you really fear or hate something, but this movie doesn't really bother to connect the dots with his current murderous hatred of Superman and his tragic past.
He's so easily manipulated that he comes of as an idiot of the highest order. At some point I tried to rationalize it by taking into consideration the toll that 20 years of constant pain and heartbreak must have had on his mind, but man I couldn't keep defending him for long. By the time the big title fight came along I had already lost all hope in the character, which wasn't at all fixed by the...
180 degree turn he does after Clark FINALLY says something about Martha. I couldn't get Roger Ebert's voice out of my head during that fight. FUCKING SAY SOMETHING, Clark! I remember that Ebert derided some stupid comedy a while back by stating that it was the kind of movie that would immediately end if one of the characters said one single honest sentence to the other. This is that to a tee. This isn't a battle of conflicting ideologies, just two stupid meatheads butting their horns.
Anyway. Moving on for now.
So just to be clear, Superman didn't kill that guy holding Lois hostage in the beginning desert sequence, right? He straight up tackles the dude through like 5 walls. Sometimes in this movie (most of the time it concerns Batman), it's hard to tell if there's actually intentional killing, or if it's just negligence on the part of Snyder.
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Which makes Superman's death even more weightless. He didn't have to self sacrifice. Wonder Woman, given time, could have probably killed Doomsday herself.
And besides firing the Kryptonite gas grenade to soften Doomsday up, what did Batman really do in that fight? I am having a hard time remembering his contribution.
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when she smiled before she went back into battle was SO amazon of her
i loved it <3
and hallo wazza <3
Was that the one where she was on her back with her legs spread? Between that, the revealing armor, and the dresses through the movie, I felt like Snyder was trying to play her for sex appeal.
She was one of my favorite parts of the movie despite that though.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=199179202&postcount=3253
Regarding WW, she was there to recover her pic from Lex. She probably went underground after helping in World War 1, when she realized that there is no point helping humans.
But then she knew Lex got his hands on her pic and is profiling her, so she came back to recover that pic.
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That's fine, but it's basically plugging in holes for a movie that doesn't want them plugged. Batman absolutely kills at least 20 guys in this movie, and in the context of that character, branding someone for death isn't too far fetched.
I just... I can't believe this is the Batman character Snyder came up with, amid all the criticisms of Superman not saving people in Man of Steel.
I think they mentioned that the creature was from another planet, and Wonder Woman said that she'd defeated creatures from another planet.
He shot that grenade! He helped! Maybe?
I actually loved how confused Bruce was during the fight. In these fights Bruce is the tactical genius. He's almost dead weight on the ground. We'll see how they handle it in Justice League.
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Everything surrounding doomsday was unnecessary. The movie should have basically ended with supes confronting Lex. Set up doomsday for a future film, fine, but the extra fight scenes weren't needed and killing superman was extremely redundant since we know he's coming straight back.
I just watched young justice for the first time and its almost embarrassing how well it sets up future storylines in comparison to this, although I still liked many parts of this film. Brutal bruce was kind of amazing and I ain't even remotely mad about the direction they went.
I just watched young justice for the first time and its almost embarrassing how well it sets up future storylines in comparison to this, although I still liked many parts of this film. Brutal bruce was kind of amazing and I ain't even remotely mad about the direction they went.
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That scene of Superman saving the cockpits raises some interesting questions: How does he know that rocket is about blow up? Or does he just hang out around any launches in the very off chance of catastrophic failure?
Similarly, he shows us within a couple seconds of her being pushed off the roof. So has he been in Metropolis during his entire exodus? Then what of the dream (?) sequence with Johnathan Kent?
Similarly, he shows us within a couple seconds of her being pushed off the roof. So has he been in Metropolis during his entire exodus? Then what of the dream (?) sequence with Johnathan Kent?
I'm usually the first to call out unnecessary sexualization in superhero stuff, but I didn't think it was too bad? I mean, by default her costume is far more sexualized than the guys' but at this point what can you do?
At least the camera wasn't sleazy about it.
Maybe I have lowered standards because it's Zack Snyder and by proxy, Frank Miller.
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I mean what was he going to do? You got something that is 4-5x the size of Superman with his power set. There is a shot that drives home just how helpless Bruce/Batman is to take on these types of threats when there is an over the shoulder shot of him on the sidelines watching Wonder Woman and Superman just shooting lasers and jumping all over the place as Doomsday does the same.
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