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[jett]

Will this be like a pop-corn flick for me? Can i just sit there, not really pay attention and enjoy the scenes/action? There is a lot of action right? I've read some of the spoilers and the ending seems kind of the deep end for batman.

Actually no. Not for the first 90-100 minutes there isn't. This isn't the sort of movie you can turn off your brain and enjoy the pretty colors whizz by. Unfortunately.

Just wait for video if you really want to watch it.

 

[Bishop89]

so do we expect Lois to die in the next few movies?

Spoiler

Im not that much into the supes lore, but doesn't he hook up with Diana (WW) in the Justice league cartoons/video games?

 

[ryutaro's mama]

You ever think that he doesn't kill the Joker cause the Joker is immortal and can't Be killed, only contained? Guy fell into a vat of chemicals and didn't die after all.

This is completely ridiculous. He doesn't kill his Rogues gallery at all, not just Joker.

 

[gazele]

so ive always known about the

Spoiler

"evil" / psycho supes storyline after losing a loved one

, i loved seeing it in the dream sequence.

Who exactly was the person who gave Bruce the message.

I thought it was

Spoiler

flash, as he can sort of manipulate time in a sense, but i couldnt make it out exactly, and cause the person had armor or something

It was clearly the flash, traveling from the future (he does this a lot)

 

[Magwik]

so do we expect Lois to die in the next few movies?

Spoiler

Im not that much into the supes lore, but doesn't he hook up with Diana (WW) in the Justice league cartoons/video games?

If Lois dies, then Superman becomes a super Dictator.

 

[PBY]

so do we expect Lois to die in the next few movies?

Spoiler

Im not that much into the supes lore, but doesn't he hook up with Diana (WW) in the Justice league cartoons/video games?

They should, just because she adds nothing to the story and the reporter stuff is so undercooked.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

so do we expect Lois to die in the next few movies?

Spoiler

Im not that much into the supes lore, but doesn't he hook up with Diana (WW) in the Justice league cartoons/video games?

1. Flash warns Bruce that Lois is important.
2. It depends on the iteration, New 52 WW and Superman hook up, Justice League cartoon it was with Batman. Comics are mixed.

 

[JTripper]

we should just get a Red Son movie as the next solo Superman film

 

[What did he mean by this?]

Did anyone else notice that Superman stopped talking like 1/3rd of the way through?

In the Congress scene, he gets cut off. The scene with his mom in Smallville, it cuts before he can respond. After the bombing, he flies away instead of discussing things with Lois. He is silent during the dumb dad mountain dream. In Gotham, despite wanting to explain things to Batman, he acts as the aggressor. His goodbye to Lois is a single sentence.

He never actually gets to present his philosophy. Maybe Zack was burned on Man of Steel, but this made it seem like he hates Superman.

 

[Poodlestrike]

so do we expect Lois to die in the next few movies?

Spoiler

Im not that much into the supes lore, but doesn't he hook up with Diana (WW) in the Justice league cartoons/video games?

Naw.

Hopefully they get a better handle on what to do with her, though. Right now she's the intrepid reporter but with none of the entertaining attitude.

And he's definitely not going to hook up with Wondy, they already went down that road, people hated it, they pulled back. That ship has sailed and sunk.

Did anyone else notice that Superman stopped talking like 1/3rd of the way through?

In the Congress scene, he gets cut off. The scene with his mom in Smallville, it cuts before he can respond. After the bombing, he flies away instead of discussing things with Lois. He is silent during the dumb dad mountain dream. In Gotham, despite wanting to explain things to Batman, he acts as the aggressor. His goodbye to Lois is a single sentence.

He never actually gets to present his philosophy. Maybe Zack was burned on Man of Steel, but this made it seem like he hates Superman.

His actions speak pretty loudly, tbh. He comes back. He tries to get Batman to help him. When presented with the opportunity play Lex's game, he refuses. He doesn't lay it out in some grand speech (which would be pretty welcome, honestly), but it's made clear that Superman, much like the S on his chest, stands for hope.

It could definitely have been presented better, though. That editing strikes again.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Naw, you're doomed. This is a movie you need to pay attention to to enjoy.

well damn.

There actually isn't that much action. Or at least it feels like there's much less action compared to MoS. The fighting doesn't start til about 1hour30mins in, the Batman/Superman fight itself isn't long and the final battle is a bit of a clusterfuck. Honestly the best looking and clearest fight in the movie is Batman taking out Lex's goons in the warehouse, a lot of which was already shown in the trailer.

As far as paying attention goes, the movie simultaneously demands you pay attention to everything that is happening while also doing very little to connect its own plots together.



Not aliens, just metahumans.

wow, an hour and half until any action starts? hmm yeah that trailer of batman beating up those goons got me hyped! but if that's kind of the shining point of action, then im kind of sad. Doomsday doesn't sound like an appealing foe i'd want to watch. not much talk in here that his appearance was great or anything like that.

Thanks for aswering me back guys!

 

[SJRB]

I cannot believe the Batman vs gang brawl they showed in the trailer is actually the finale of this movie, Batman-wise. I mean, I seriously expected it to be the intro to Batman. You know, just him fucking up some gang.

Also - there were comments after the trailer on how Doomsday was only scratching the surface, that the movie had WAY more stuff. Eh... No it didn't. It was a mistake showing him in the trailer at all.


Gal Gadot was AMAZING, couldn't keep my eyes off her. When Bruce first decrypts the photo and we see Wonder Woman and those crazy tribal drum background music starts beating I had the biggest grin. Her introduction was perfect, too. WW is probably the best thing of the entire movie.

 

[Bishop89]

Who were the flying aliens in the future dream sequence?

 

[DMczaf]

Can we change this to "Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, pls"

 

[PBY]

I cannot believe the Batman vs gang brawl they showed in the trailer is actually the finale of this movie, Batman-wise. I mean, I seriously expected it to be the intro to Batman. You know, just him fucking up some gang.


Also - there were comments after the trailer on how Doomsday was only scratching the surface, that the movie had WAY more stuff. Eh... No it didn't. It was a mistake showing him in the trailer at all.

Yeah the fights were somehow super disappointing to me. The last fight was just a mess. That was the one thing that weirdly the reviews didn't prepare me for - I thought the action would be awesome. Wasn't that great.

Other parts were better than what I expected though, so its a wash.

 

[Houndi101]

Who were the flying aliens in the future dream sequence?

Parademons

 

[bryanee]

I loved the Knightmare sequence but they should of given more of an indication that it was a vision of the future rather than a dream. Because I know about the time dickery the Flash can cause I was fine with it but it might be a little weird for others.

Great flick, better than MoS and I love that. The first hour does indeed have odd cuts but I'm hoping the extended version helps with that. I'm going to watch it again after the easter holidays are over. My showing was rammed, I've never seen that for a 12:30pm showing before.

 

[Lights and Waves]

I cannot believe the Batman vs gang brawl they showed in the trailer is actually the finale of this movie, Batman-wise. I mean, I seriously expected it to be the intro to Batman. You know, just him fucking up some gang.

Also - there were comments after the trailer on how Doomsday was only scratching the surface, that the movie had WAY more stuff. Eh... No it didn't. It was a mistake showing him in the trailer at all.


Gal Gadot was AMAZING, couldn't keep my eyes off her. When Bruce first decrypts the photo and we see Wonder Woman and those crazy tribal drum background music starts beating I had the biggest grin. Her introduction was perfect, too. WW is probably the best thing of the entire movie.

I LOVED her theme song (if that was her theme?) What ever song it was that had those drums was really really great!

 

[Bishop89]

Parademons

hmm interesting, thanks

 

[Sean C]

In the department of cameos, I noticed Patrick Leahy at the Senate panel. Another DC cameo for him.

I'm surprised Nancy Grace agreed to play herself, considering the brief bit she appears in plays to all the criticisms of her show about it being her making accusations of guilt all the time.

 

[gazele]

One of the weirdest things to me was that you could see Gotham from Metropolis…are there any major cities that close?

 

[JigglesBunny]

Superman: 'Oh my God, wait really? Wow, that's the darnedest thing.'

Batman: 'Yeah, huh, I know! Two women, both Mom's, both named Martha! What a small world...wow. Well, nice meetin' ya, bud! Best of luck with your Martha!'

Superman: 'Better luck than yours, I hope!'

Batman: 'Haha, ah, that's rich. See ya!'

 

[FeD.nL]

Btw in the Knightmare scene, the woman where Batman has a quick team-up with before she gets shot was that Jena Malone? It seemed to me the woman had red hair and she was laying on the ground implying she could not walk.

 

[SolidChamp]

One of the weirdest things to me was that you could see Gotham from Metropolis…are there any major cities that close?

The plot needed them to be that close.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Lois getting trapped I'd definitely cut. I'd have her get the spear without needing help. Woman spends too much time as a victim.

Especially since they had her throw it down there in the first place.
Either:
1. She is smart enough to think to go get it before anyone else.(without her throwing it in the water.)
2. She swims and gets it on her own, needs no rescue.


3. It falls into the water after the fight or during Doomsday's battle, she is the first to think about using it on him. She does or doesn't get trapped.

Btw in the Knightmare scene, the woman where Batman has a quick team-up with before she gets shot was that Jena Malone? It seemed to me the woman had red hair and she was on laying on the ground implying she could not walk.

Thought the same

 

[Doctor Decimate]

what if The Flash has a man bun

blurgh

 

[SolidChamp]

I'm seriously shocked that they felt the need to play the "death of Superman" card just because they were dumb enough to put Doomsday in there.

It was so, so underwhelming.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

The plot needed them to be that close.

Some old comics/stories had gotham city being that close


But if Superman is that close to the city you'd think he would help out more so it wouldn't be that bad. Although in his defense, he hasn't been around long enough to make an impact (in this version).

 

[Poodlestrike]

Some old comics/stories had gotham city being that close


But if Superman is that close to the city you'd think he would help out more so it wouldn't be that bad. Although in his defense, he hasn't been around long enough to make an impact (in this version).

Historically, Superman trying to clean up Gotham has ended really poorly for everyone involved.

Besides, he's Superman. Across the bay or across the eastern seabord, it's a 5 minute flight or whatever.

 

[manfestival]

Anyone else have a bunch of weirdos cheer and clap when wonder woman finally came on the screen?

Also my friend laughed hysterically when batman was about to kill superman and he was like MARTHA MARTHA MARTHA

 

[Pau]

The Lois and Clark relationship is one of the things I really like about this iteration. No killing Lois. It'd be so cheap. They might make some dumb choices with her character every now and then like the constant damsel in distress but I'd rather have a female character in the movie with some mistakes than not at all.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Anyone else have a bunch of weirdos cheer and clap when wonder woman finally came on the screen?

Also my friend laughed hysterically when batman was about to kill superman and he was like MARTHA MARTHA MARTHA

I cheered for Wondy. So did a bunch of people in my theater. It was a hype ass moment.

 

[Pau]

Anyone else have a bunch of weirdos cheer and clap when wonder woman finally came on the screen?

Also my friend laughed hysterically when batman was about to kill superman and he was like MARTHA MARTHA MARTHA

Why were they weirdos?

I don't cheer or clap during movies in theaters but at least they did it for the right thing!

 

[BronsonLee]

The Lois and Clark relationship is one of the things I really like about this iteration. No killing Lois. It'd be so cheap. They might make some dumb choices with her character every now and then like the constant damsel in distress but I'd rather have a female character in the movie with some mistakes than not at all.

She's so fucking dead soon

They're going to trigger Injustice, it's set up too easily and the Knightmare references it hard

 

[TheSlySoul]

Superman: 'Oh my God, wait really? Wow, that's the darnedest thing.'

Batman: 'Yeah, huh, I know! Two women, both Mom's, both named Martha! What a small world...wow. Well, nice meetin' ya, bud! Best of luck with your Martha!'

Superman: 'Better luck than yours, I hope!'

Batman: 'Haha, ah, that's rich. See ya!'

Lois Lane gets kidnapped off-screen and Superman senses where she is and goes after her.

(I swear he had a Lois sense to know she would be drowning.)

 

[Pau]

She's so fucking dead soon

They're going to trigger Injustice, it's set up too easily and the Knightmare references it hard

Pretty sure the point of this film was so that the Knightmare doesn't happen.

 

[Toa TAK]

Anyone else have a bunch of weirdos cheer and clap when wonder woman finally came on the screen?

Also my friend laughed hysterically when batman was about to kill superman and he was like MARTHA MARTHA MARTHA

I kinda laughed at the Martha thing as well. lol

But the werido was me. Clenched my fists at her intervention.

 

[Poodlestrike]

She's so fucking dead soon

They're going to trigger Injustice, it's set up too easily and the Knightmare references it hard

Naw. If anything, the Knightmare reminds me more of that arc from the animated series where he gets coopted by Darkseid, albeit here with a Freudian excuse. No way they're doing Injustice.

Besides, Darkseid had nothing to do with Injustice, and the Knightmare was about 10000% Darkseid

 

[Garlador]

Naw. If anything, the Knightmare reminds me more of that arc from the animated series where he gets coopted by Darkseid, albeit here with a Freudian excuse. No way they're doing Injustice.

Besides, Darkseid had nothing to do with Injustice, and the Knightmare was about 10000% Darkseid

I'd forgive 80% of this movie if they actually did Injustice Superman. He's half-way there already.

 

[SJRB]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

I mean, aside setting them both up to fight each other.

Also - how does Lex Luthor know that Bruce Wayne is Batman? At least, it was Luthor who stopped the montly payments to that guy who lost his legs, right? How did that even work? And why? Please don't tell me Luthor planned the guy getting frustrated and climb the statue to spray graffiti on it, only to be arrested so Luthor can swoop in and bail him out for whatever reason and then give him a wheelchair and then convince the senator to have this guy present at the hearings and then have a bomb in the wheelchair and kill fucking everyone [including his own assistant for no reason whatsoever] whilst having Bruce Wayne look up the cheques and see all this jubberish about "you let your family die" which in this context makes zero sense but it plays into bRuce's sense of guilt somehow and it somehow makes him more motivated to fight Superman because, why, exactly?


My head hurts. The entire Luthor arc is a mess.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Its kinda weird that after this movie I want movies staring this Batman immediately, yet I also want movies about a much younger version of this Batman.

 

[Pau]

Lex Luther is a smart guy with a lot of money. Finding out Batman's identity isn't that hard. He probably knew it before the movie even started. I didn't think it was that hard to believe.

It's different from the comics where Lex thinks Bruce is too much of an idiot and refuses to entertain the notion. But this Lex doesn't seem to have that stopping him.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

She's so fucking dead soon

They're going to trigger Injustice, it's set up too easily and the Knightmare references it hard

Would not be surprised if the movie with Injustice is a Cloud Atlas style affair, with the future and the past happening in the film at the same time, with Lois being dead in the future and then the Flash warning saving Lois in the present timeline.

Kind of like a Days of Future Past style story.

 

[Solid SOAP]

Its kinda weird that after this movie I want movies staring this Batman immediately, yet I also want movies about a much younger version of this Batman.

I don't want to see more of this shitty murderous Batman on screen, truly. Sad that even Batman wasn't able to redeem the movie for me

I will watch a full Eisenberg Lex movie though instantly!

 

[Poodlestrike]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

I mean, aside setting them both up to fight each other.

Also - how does Lex Luthor know that Bruce Wayne is Batman? At least, it was Luthor who stopped the montly payments to that guy who lost his legs, right? How did that even work? And why? Please don't tell me Luthor planned the guy getting frustrated and climb the statue to spray graffiti on it, only to be arrested so Luthor can swoop in and bail him out for whatever reason and then give him a wheelchair and then convince the senator to have this guy present at the hearings and then have a bomb in the wheelchair and kill fucking everyone [including his own assistant for no reason whatsoever] because, why, exactly?


My head hurts. The entire Luthor arc is a mess.

Luthor didn't stop the monthly payments, he intercepted them, sent them back. He took advantage of the guy's actions, knowing that he'd eventually snap in some public way, the exact fashion didn't really matter. And once he did publicly snap, he turned him into an icon of anti-Superman sentiment as a way to get him an invite to the hearing.

As for how he knew Batman was Bruce, and why he did what he did, I dunno. I don't think they actually laid it out. It's clear that his big thing is dragging down Superman.

 

[Pau]

Its kinda weird that after this movie I want movies staring this Batman immediately, yet I also want movies about a much younger version of this Batman.

I don't care how old he is, just give me his kids. And don't turn any of them into the Joker.

I think Ben Affleck can pull off Batdad. Just give him the chance!

 

[Glass Shark]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

I mean, aside setting them both up to fight each other.

Also - how does Lex Luthor know that Bruce Wayne is Batman? At least, it was Luthor who stopped the montly payments to that guy who lost his legs, right? How did that even work? And why? Please don't tell me Luthor planned the guy getting frustrated and climb the statue to spray graffiti on it, only to be arrested so Luthor can swoop in and bail him out for whatever reason and then give him a wheelchair and then convince the senator to have this guy present at the hearings and then have a bomb in the wheelchair and kill fucking everyone [including his own assistant for no reason whatsoever] whilst having Bruce Wayne look up the cheques and see all this jubberish about "you let your family die" which in this context makes zero sense but it plays into bRuce's sense of guilt somehow and it somehow makes him more motivated to fight Superman because, why, exactly?


My head hurts. The entire Luthor arc is a mess.

See, that's the thing... I don't think Lex's motivation was originally to get them to fight. But because Bats stole the kryptonite, he shifted his plan towards that. I guess? I don't really know. His entire plan was one of the most needlessly complicated things I've ever seen in a movie.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

Did anyone else notice that Superman stopped talking like 1/3rd of the way through?.

He never actually gets to present his philosophy. Maybe Zack was burned on Man of Steel, but this made it seem like he hates Superman.

This was my issue too.

After having snapped Zod's neck, we don't know what this Superman stands for. We assume it's for the same things, but then we see Batman running over goons faces with the Batmobile.

The one thing we do get out of Supe's mouth is negative shit he would never say, like him deciding to abandon hope for humanity (or something like that) after the hearing explosion. Really... that's what did it for you. Jonathan and Martha dropped the ball in this universe.

Funny how I never payed attention to them having the same mother's name. I actually liked how that woke up Bats to seeing Supes as a person instead of an all mighty being.

 

[ShemhazaiX]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

I mean, aside setting them both up to fight each other.

Also - how does Lex Luthor know that Bruce Wayne is Batman? At least, it was Luthor who stopped the montly payments to that guy who lost his legs, right? How did that even work? And why? Please don't tell me Luthor planned the guy getting frustrated and climb the statue to spray graffiti on it, only to be arrested so Luthor can swoop in and bail him out for whatever reason and then give him a wheelchair and then convince the senator to have this guy present at the hearings and then have a bomb in the wheelchair and kill fucking everyone [including his own assistant for no reason whatsoever] whilst having Bruce Wayne look up the cheques and see all this jubberish about "you let your family die" which in this context makes zero sense but it plays into bRuce's sense of guilt somehow and it somehow makes him more motivated to fight Superman because, why, exactly?


My head hurts. The entire Luthor arc is a mess.

I've mentioned it before else where, so will quote myself:

His motivations actually come from one of my favourite interpretations of the character, the philosophical Luthor with a superiority complex that despises the idea that Superman could be both all powerful and all good. Luthor was a man obsessed with his own imperfections. Whenever he felt like he wasn't perfect he got worked up. A good example is his party speech.
Superman is a living, breathing example of a being that is perfect physically whilst exhibiting great benevolence, superior on both the inside and the outside to Lex, reminding Lex that he himself is flawed. Thus Lex sets up the fight so that no matter who wins, Superman is destroyed. If Superman kills Batman, then Superman isn't all good. If Batman kills Superman then Superman isn't all powerful. In either situation, Lex's ego is sated and he can be at peace with himself.

 

[Sean C]

So what WAS Lex Luthor's motivation, ultimately?

From the way he goes full Renfield in his final scene, I was wondering if we were supposed to think he was working for Darkseid the whole time.