Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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Jack Remington said:
The movie exists so that Vision and Scarlet Witch can exist in the MCU. There is absolutely no other reason for it to exist. Nothing about it stands on its own.

Also, the plot is fundamentally nonsensical when you really break it down. What is Ultron actually trying to do at any point in time? So he recruits the twins to help him get some vibranium so that he can build a new vibranium body for himself with the help of some scientist in Seoul, so the whole second act is about stopping him from getting that body, only he gets a vibranium body anyway... and at that point he says fuck it and decides to drop a floating landmass on the planet. It's a big fat mess.

The only superhero I've seen with a more fundamentally broken, incoherent story was Batman Returns. (Quick, what is the actual plot of that movie?)

Movies like Age of Ultron and Tomorrowland, where absolutely nothing works at the story level, I always just wonder how they got made. Didn't anyone outline the plot structure in advance?

At least BvS contains its tie-ins to a dream scene and one inoffensive email scene. The whole goddamn movie isn't a tie-in.
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I mean I actually agree with all of this but the sad part is that AoU is significantly better than BvS
 
Jack Remington said:
Ultron could have been good if they had focused on the planet-killing plot from the beginning. Instead the entire second act exists solely to bring Vision into the film series. It's some of the clumsiest plotting I've seen in a blockbuster movie outside of the Bayformers series.
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Huh, I never really my thought about this but you're right. In fact because Vision and SW couldn't carry solo films AoU ended up getting dragged down by having to play host to their origin stories while Avengers 1 smartly avoided that problem.

It actually makes me optimistic for Infinity War.
 
I'm so glad this thread is about Age of Ultron now.

If only Disco could see me now.

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Phediuk said:
What I don't understand is why Thanos still hasn't shown up.

It feels like they've been hyping him up for 10 years at this point. How many fucking movies does there have to be before he actually does something? Avengers 2 was the logical place for him and he was absent.
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You know it's only been 4 years since Avengers 1 came out right?
 
Posted yesterday on this thread....

Still relevant:

"This movie makes Thor 2 look like Return of the King, and Return of the King look like Godfather 2, and Godfather 2 look like a smile from God on your birthday during a blowjob"
 
Jack Remington said:
The movie exists so that Vision and Scarlet Witch can exist in the MCU. There is absolutely no other reason for it to exist. Nothing about it stands on its own.
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What Age of Ultron has over Batman v Superman, is that film was actually about something, though it was a bit clumsy about how it goes about it. (That Vision / Ultron scene linked earlier gets to the heart of it.)

What was BvS about? The entire film is premised on the need for two super heroes to fight. There's this thing I refer to as "plot scaffolding". Some movies have a story to tell, and as that story is told things happen and characters conflict and from those conflicts things like action scenes result. (A simple example would be the Thor/Iron Man fight in Avengers. Fan service, but fan service that built out of the story.) BvS works backward: it's premised on a fight, and the entire point of the film is there's a fight between them in the 3rd act. But the movie doesn't know how to get there, so it erects plot scaffolding for the director to scrabble up to reach that point. But the scaffolding is on full display, it's badly built and it's creaky as hell.

Consider how the film makes gestures toward the philosophical differences between Superman and Batman's approaches to solving crime, what their role in the world is, and how the public perceives them. But they're never more than failings in that direction - their conflict doesn't build out of them. Instead we get a rube goldberg machine of a plot to engineer the titular fight, rather than the fight be the result of a story that was being told.

The other thing BvS is doing is setting up Justice League, which it does in ways that are far more intrusive than any of Marvel's EU hooks they drop into their films.( At least they knew to plop some of them after the credits.) In BvS, the climax of the film is interrupted so
Wonder Woman can literally watch trailers for future Justice League characters
. The film shows its hand in that moment - the thing we were supposed to be caring about is finally happening, and the brakes are slammed for sequel staging.

There's not a stand alone story that's really being told at all here. It's an absurdly engineered title fight that is itself actually a ruse, serving primarily to set up a sequel in which a story might actually take place.
 
Hands of Stone said:
AoU was so damn boring. If you're right that it's better, Snyder is a hack.
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Batman Vs. Superman isn't boring, but I'd say it's a WAAAAY bigger dissapointment. A movie starring THE two biggest superheroes in the world and they couldn't make it work and instead it's a dour bummer.

At least Avengers got one good movie before the next team up movie was just mediocre.
 
Rydeen said:
Batman Vs. Superman isn't boring, but I'd say it's a WAAAAY bigger dissapointment. A movie starring THE two biggest superheroes in the world and they couldn't make it work and instead it's a dour bummer.

At least Avengers got one good movie before the next team up movie was just mediocre.
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isn't Spider-Man bigger than supes now
 
Goddamn we are back in the 20s. Amazing. When the first reviews dropped I think it was at 28%. Everybody called out those early critics for trying to clickbait with bad reviews. I actually thought that might be the case for some of them! I don't think anybody thought it would end up back down here. Yet here we are.
 
Prompto said:
At least I'm sure we can all agree Superman Returns is better than Man of Steel and now Batman v Superman.

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You're not wrong. As forgettable as Superman Returns is a Richard Donner clone, it's way better than the Snyder films.
 
Prompto said:
At least I'm sure we can all agree Superman Returns is better than Man of Steel and now Batman v Superman.

Runs away
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No.

Superman Returns was more pointless than Age of Ultron. Though I'd watch it again before Iron Man 3.

If I were on a 3 hour flight, and it was either watch Superman Returns or read Skymall, you can bet I'd be ordering a genuine replica of the One Ring and a doggie stepladder when I got off the plane.

Edit: just saw that Skymall doesn't exist anymore. That's a real punch to the gut.
 
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