Batman v Superman Spoiler Thread: Don't believe everything you read, Son

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I think if you plotted all the issues with BvS, most of them would point to Lex. I think Eisenberg did fine portraying the character as written and cast, but his character felt like a plot device. Lex manipulates the fight, he creates Doomsday, he hired the mercenaries, he gets Keefe to blow up the hearing, he has files on other metahumans, and so on.

Seemed like Lex was written to connect all of these different story ideas together, which is why his character was all over the place scene to scene. One could argue he's a master manipulator, but he just didn't seem intelligent or clever enough to have so much control over all these characters and events. More unhinged than inventive.
 
There is only one scene where Eisenberg worked for me.

When he was taunting Superman and showing the polaroids of his mom and telling him to kill Batman worked for me. He was actually menacing and owning the scene.
 
I'm not familiar with either the DC comics or the characters, so I was super confused. All I got out of that scene was a reminder that there's another movie coming soon. No idea who he was, what he was saying, how it connected to the story. Seemed to come and go, only to be something that will be referenced in another film.

Ok good, it wasn't just me.

I read the odd Batman and Superman comic but that's about it (I do have some Green Lantern stuff too). But certainly not to the extent I'd have had any idea what was happening there. I mean, I've seen The Flash in those CW commercials and stuff but this didn't look anything like that, all I could make out was some dude in a mask with weird armor.

I would have written it off but he said "Lois Lane is the key" and from that point on I spent the rest of the movie trying to figure out what he meant by that. I'm still not sure I do, really.
 
I think if you plotted all the issues with BvS, most of them would point to Lex. I think Eisenberg did fine portraying the character as written and cast, but his character felt like a narrative glue. Lex manipulates the fight, he creates Doomsday, he hired the mercenaries, he gets Keefe to blow up the hearing, he has files on other metahumans, and so on.

He was written to put all of these different story ideas together, which is why his character was all over the place scene to scene. One could argue he's a master manipulator, but he just didn't seem intelligent or clever enough to have so much control over all these characters and events. More unhinged than inventive.

Lex Jr. (emphasis on the Jr.) did his thing, but the music and pacing just made it so hard for the movie to flow overall. I feel like he was a bit unhinged at the start, very unhinged once he learned about the knowledge and dangers or the universe, and from here, he's going to develop into a more methodical villain. Like doomsday, he is going to evolve after everytime he breaks.
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel lied to by Zack Snyder. The 3 back-to-back references to the end fight locations being abandoned proves he did not learn a single thing from Man of Steel. That's not the point at all. We wanted to see heroes showing concern about where they are fighting, having emotional responses if their action impact civilians, and going out of there way to rescue those civilians at any cost. Not conveniently abandoned neighborhoods.
 
I'm not familiar with either the DC comics or the characters, so I was super confused. All I got out of that scene was a reminder that there's another movie coming soon. No idea who he was, what he was saying, how it connected to the story. Seemed to come and go, only to be something that will be referenced in another film.

Yes, only because I already knew that was supposed to be The Flash did it make any semblance of sense to me, but my boyfriend and others in the theater were nonplused. He thought it was Robin stuck in another dimension or something.
 
But it was hard to tell what was a dream and what wasn't am I right? No dream like effects, just straight cuts which made it seem confusingly disjointed.

He learned that from Sucker Punch.

Yeah, those stupid dreams and even dreams within dreams... It was like he's still so convinced Sucker Punch was a brilliant film nobody understood, so he'll try the same shtick again with Batman and Superman.
 
The more I think about it, the more I feel lied to by Zack Snyder. The 3 back-to-back references to the end fight locations being abandoned proves he did not learn a single thing from Man of Steel. That's not the point at all. We wanted to see heroes showing concern about where they are fighting, having emotional responses if their action impact civilians, and going out of there way to rescue those civilians at any cost. Not conveniently abandoned neighborhoods.

Supes tried to take the fight into space, but he just got nuked and it brought the fight back to the ground (not his fault, thanks Obama). Deserted areas on Stryker island and Gotham were the next best bet.
 
But it was hard to tell what was a dream and what wasn't am I right? No dream like effects, just straight cuts which made it seem confusingly disjointed.
I thought the horse in the destruction of metropolis was a dream thing but wasn't sure. Can't even remember how it was shown now.
 
Yes, only because I already knew that was supposed to be The Flash did it make any semblance of sense to me, but my boyfriend and others in the theater were nonplused. He thought it was Robin stuck in another dimension or something.

That is the biggest stretch I've heard yet. Wow. Thanks Snyder.
 
3. Vic "Victory" Stone. Son of Researcher Silas Stone. They didn't show how he lost like 80% of his body, but they showed a motherbox, which is how he transforms into cyborg and is also the CORRECT way to sneak in a future movie tie in.

oh i know who he is, i'm just echoing the sentiment of people in the theatre

it was a cool scene that was well done, but i'm not sold on his inclusion

2. They lingered on aquaman too much. Probably just to show him off. Not really leaving much to the imagination, but damn that boy got boosties.

this was definitely it - they just hung on him & his flowing hair for a beat too long

Hey, so did anyone catch the Phantasm reference?

"he? it could be a she..."

liked that little nod
 
The clash of the ideology between Batman and Superman should have been the key focus of the movie. They totally abandoned it right when Lex Luthor lured him out to fight with Batman

Whole movie should have streamlined and focus on the differences between the two people.
 
The clash of the ideology between Batman and Superman should have been the key focus of the movie. They totally abandoned it right when Lex Luthor lured him out to fight with Batman

Whole movie should have streamlined and focus on the differences between the two people.

I know. The entire damn reason for this movie's existence doesn't even materialize in the story until almost at the end, and when it happens, it's not even a clash of ideology, as you say. It's just a misunderstanding!

UGH.
 
This review really expressed a lot of the feelings I had coming out of this movie

There are perfectly reasonable aesthetic objections to Batman v Superman as a piece of filmmaking, and I probably agree with all of them. As a narrative, it’s a mess; visually, it’s chaotic; Jesse Eisenberg appears determined to set the craft of screen acting back at least a century. All of these things may be true, but worse than all of these, Batman v Superman is reprehensible because it seems determined to murder not just every supporting character in the movie, but the idea of heroism itself.

Batman v Superman gives us the “heroes” Zack Snyder thinks we deserve: People who are just as angry, scared, vindictive and misguided as the Americans who think bigotry and xenophobia are the answer to an uncertain world. Of course these are fictional characters, and of course there can be more than one way to interpret them. This movie has chosen the most cynical way possible to interpret them, at a time in our history when we need that interpretation least. It feels cowardly and cruel. It feels like the worst part of ourselves.

http://www.cityweekly.net/TheDailyFeed/archives/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-v-heroism
 
I know. The entire damn reason for this movie's existence doesn't even materialize in the story until almost at the end, and when it happens, it's not even a clash of ideology, as you say. It's just a misunderstanding!

UGH.

What's Superman's ideology? Snyder never really pinned that down. Hell, even Superman didn't know what he was doing.

And the whole Knightmare scene really wasn't needed to let people know that Batman thought poorly of Superman.
 
I like Batman, he's my favorite DC hero, but him absolutely dominating the fight to the point of being moments away from literally killing Superman was some bullshit

What made their fights in the comics so exciting, in Hush, in Luthor, in N52 Justice League, was the David versus Goliath dynamic. Batman is always on the back foot, either just barely slowing down and distracting Superman or being completely ineffective against him. That's why the Hush fight is so memorable IMO. That "Not him, not now" moment when he realizes Ivy has him under her control. The fact that it's less a fight and more of a Terminator-esque escape of disabling Superman long enough to gain some breathing room. Bruce being on the defensive for 99% of it and only "winning" by going the dirty mind-games route of putting Lois in danger.

Having Batman weaken Superman and then just beat the crap out of him totally missed what makes their battles actually interesting and exciting

But I will say, that one moment when Batman is pounding on Clark's face and the punches grow less effective with each blow was my favorite part of the fight. I think it was the only part that sold the God vs Man billing by showing how ineffective the armor really is against Superman

Thank you for this. I will probably never watch this now. I knew this movie would be crap, but an awesome live action version of the of their famous duel would have easily warranted a viewing.
 
At least we never have to see another TDKR or Death of Superman adaptation from Zack Snyder again. No more forced Batman vs Superman conflict, no more Superman dying to a CGI orc. I am almost glad they fused those two stories together.

He can't pull from any grim dark, super 90s source material anymore... can he?

Then again there's probably a ton of JL stories he can mess up.
 
At least we never have to see another TDKR or Death of Superman adaptation from Zack Snyder again. No more forced Batman vs Superman conflict, no more Superman dying to a CGI orc. I am almost glad they fused those two stories together.

He can't pull from any grim dark, super 90s source material anymore... can he?

Then again there's probably a ton of JL stories he can mess up.
I'd bet they'll tease a Superman death in almost every movie he's in.
 
I like Batman, he's my favorite DC hero, but him absolutely dominating the fight to the point of being moments away from literally killing Superman was some bullshit

What made their fights in the comics so exciting, in Hush, in Luthor, in N52 Justice League, was the David versus Goliath dynamic. Batman is always on the back foot, either just barely slowing down and distracting Superman or being completely ineffective against him. That's why the Hush fight is so memorable IMO. That "Not him, not now" moment when he realizes Ivy has him under her control. The fact that it's less a fight and more of a Terminator-esque escape of disabling Superman long enough to gain some breathing room. Bruce being on the defensive for 99% of it and only "winning" by going the dirty mind-games route of putting Lois in danger.

Having Batman weaken Superman and then just beat the crap out of him totally missed what makes their battles actually interesting and exciting

But I will say, that one moment when Batman is pounding on Clark's face and the punches grow less effective with each blow was my favorite part of the fight. I think it was the only part that sold the God vs Man billing by showing how ineffective the armor really is against Superman

You're mad that the superior tactician won? Batman came to fight. Batman came to win. He was right about Superman. Clark wasn't as brave as he was perceived to be, he was just invulnerable. Because of that, he charges into most situations head on without a plan relying on the fact can't be injured. Batman wised his shit up real quick.
 
Just saw the movie. I'll give my full opinions it on it later but I just wanted to talk about how amazing Wonder Woman was.

I've never seen read any of her comics or anything so I don't know much about her, but goddamn, the way she was dancing around Doomsday was beautiful. The moment when she got out her lasso and held that sucker down for Superman to stab was
EWmof.gif
worthy.

I can't fucking wait for her movie.
 
The movie had its bright spots. I think the editing was crap. It made me think a Robin is the Joker. Played a few nods to injustice during the visions about lois being the key. Wonder woman was awesome. Batman was the best on screen batman. I just think the movie had plot craters and was badly edited.
 
Supes lost because he had no idea what to do when he couldn't just tank hits

Yea but that's why I bought him getting his ass beat. Why would you train to fight when you have no idea you can be weakened and the last of your race (the only known beings who can stand up to you) is dead?
 
Yea but that's why I bought him getting his ass beat. Why would you train to fight when you have no idea you can be weakened and the last of your race (the only known beings who can stand up to you) is dead?

I thought it made perfect sense. Bats prepped, Bats won. Supes fucked up and got a double dose of an ass whooping
 
Yea but that's why I bought him getting his ass beat. Why would you train to fight when you have no idea you can be weakened and the last of your race (the only known beings who can stand up to you) is dead?

Lol. Then in comes Batman with the upset of the century.

Supes will be back though, and he'll be better off for it.
 
Just saw the movie. I'll give my full opinions it on it later but I just wanted to talk about how amazing Wonder Woman was.

I've never seen read any of her comics or anything so I don't know much about her, but goddamn, the way she was dancing around Doomsday was beautiful. The moment when she got out her lasso and held that sucker down for Superman to stab was
EWmof.gif
worthy.

I can't fucking wait for her movie.
I don't think I've read a single bad thing about Wonder Woman. Queen :bow
 
How in the hell is waynecorp a successful business if the guy running their accounts payable department is completely ignoring returned checks with death threats to Bruce scrawled on them?

Uncashed checks = more cash on hand. Profit.

The checks probably should have been investigated, but the company doesn't do police work. That's, well, police work.

LOL is this how you run your business? You should probably hire an accountant.
 
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