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[Staf]

It makes me sad we will never see this version of Superman in the DCEU.

God damnit. I love that version of Superman so much.

 

[Phediuk]

Wait, apparently Flash and Aquaman were in this movie?

Like, uh, where?

 

[BronsonLee]

I am assuming that this is the first time a RT review thread has had more posts than the two official OTs of a big film combined.

It was like a snowball that started with the early impressions thread, then turned into hellfire when reviews came in and they were bad

 

[Ahasverus]

It makes me sad we will never see this version of Superman in the DCEU.

I'm getting mega irritated by this pic with each posting.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

It makes me sad we will never see this version of Superman in the DCEU.

Wait, apparently Flash and Aquaman were in this movie?

Like, uh, where?

Spoiler

The email Bruce sends to WW..

 

[Garlador]

Wait, apparently Flash and Aquaman were in this movie?

Like, uh, where?

Spoiler

In the dirty tornado and at the end in the security footage.

 

[Nafai1123]

I don't think anyone would deny that a large part of Cap is the fact that he's a man out of time, and that's where a lot of his idealism comes from. But it's not like everyone from 1940 was a heroic saint, and we see that Cap stands above many of them even before he ever gets the serum.

The problem is that Superman is still supposed to get his ideals from Smallville, Kansas. It doesn't matter if its 1950s Kansas or 2010s Kansas, that's where he's supposed to be grounded ideologically. Smallville seemed to me in many ways to be a kind of physical-location based throwback to those more "Cap" ideals that he brought with him.

That's not the Smallville we get though. We don't see Pa Kent instilling this sense of duty into Clark, in fact we see the complete opposite. We see Pa Kent chastising Clark for using his powers to save the kids at his school, because fear is what dictates society. Not hope, not a sense of responsibility towards your fellow neighbor, but fear.

And yeah, many people don't like that portrayal, which is entirely fair. My point is, despite Clark most definitely NOT being the Superman we know and love, his motivations and character are appropriate for the universe he is from.....many people just don't like that universe because it's too bleak and too dark.

Edit: Just saw the posts on the last page, and yeah we're basically on the same page just expressing it in a different way.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

 

[Chuck]

Wait there are other people that think First Avenger is a great movie.

I'M NOT ALONE?

It is a great movie. I't s got a great script, on-point acting, lovable characters. It's a really underrated film.

Steve Rogers is just the best. <3

 

[Phediuk]

Spoiler

In the dirty tornado and at the end in the security footage.

Don't even remember these scenes and it's only been a day since I saw it.

lol.

 

[Toa TAK]

Hot damn.

 

[Toxi]

There isn't a single scene in Episode 3 or any of the prequels where I could say "That scene was okay" or "that would've been way more effective if they had just cut or tweaked this last line" or something. I could say that instead for atleast enough parts of BvS that I'd say it's inherently way better than any of the prequels. Those needed almost complete rewrites from the bottom-up.

The opera house scene is fantastic.

 

[inky]

Where would a farmer even get the ideas that Pa Kent has in the Snyderverse? Is he studying Nietzsche in between harvests?

Cynical post 9/11 America would be my guess.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Don't even remember these scenes and it's only been a day since I saw it.

lol.

Great editing, huh?

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

It was dumb before but now hearing "It's for the fans" is basically an insult after seeing such utter trash.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Cynical post 9/11 America would be my guess.

Should have been played by James Woods..

 

[Lion Heart]

OK, I've endured Batman v Superman... And I'm now a critic too, that movie wasn't for me.
So many "wat" moments, so joyless...

I miss Christopher Reeve's smile.

Batffleck was ok, I'd be ok for a solo movie with him and Irons.
Curious about the WW movie, but not so sure about justice league...

Spoiler

Lex creates the logos ? Flash destroys the shop when stopping a robbery ? Aquaman looking like he holds his breath underwater ?

Snyder and Eisenberg need to leave the DCU, pls...

Spoiler

And Superman didn't even have to die... All he had to do was bringing the spear to the battlefield, WW was doing ok vs Doomsday, she could have killed him with it.

I don't think the casual moviegoer would want to see it twice, this movie won't have legs.

Supes is not going to say, "Here WW, you do it! Please I dont want to get hurt" Thats not his character, he would risk his life to do what is right,

 

[Plasticine]

It makes me sad we will never see this version of Superman in the DCEU.

Zack Snyder's "Superman" would have smashed that building trying to save her.

His "Batman" would have pushed her.

Edit:

Spoiler

The email Bruce sends to WW..

Didn't see this.

This is amazing.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Spoiler

The email Bruce sends to WW..

Hi-res version please

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It makes me sad we will never see this version of Superman in the DCEU.

[]http://comicsalliance.com/files/2012/09/supermanrooftop.jpg[/img]

All Star Superman is the GOAT.

edit: beaten with the page lol

What does the Mark Waid's intro to Volume 2 say?

&#8220;But the big moment is the perfect line of dialogue. It comes in Chapter Ten, when Superman, without a second&#8217;s hesitation, takes time from his world-building feats to embrace and comfort a suicidal young girl. When he tells her, &#8220;You&#8217;re much stronger than you think you are,&#8221; they become the most moving words we have ever read in a Superman story. And they are perfect because they reveal, in one sentence, the fundamental secret of Superman and why we love him so: Gods achieve their power by encouraging us to believe in them. Superman achieves his power by believing in us.&#8221;

 

[Piecake]

Wait, so Synder is seriously an objectivist?

That explains so much...

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

Okay so I watched this last night. Some observations

- Was better than Age of Ultron (come at me GAF) and Man of Steel

- First 40 minutes were decent, then the more the movie progresses, the worse it becomes. Kind of reminded me of MoS, which followed a similar trajectory.

- So many wtf moments. The dream scenes. What? That scene where Lois starts running and she falls down hilariously. Who thought that was ok to let in the movie?

- Wonder Woman looks too cartoonish and she also doesn't really have anything to do in the movie, except from "hey we really need to kickstart JLA"

- The last fight was awful. Videogame awful.

- The ending was lol. You do that and you end it like that 5 mins later? major wtf

- Cavil is an inadequate actor. Or at least he is misdirected by Snyder.

- Lex was fine, for what his concept was

It's interesting - the concept behind MoS and this movie remain very interesting, so much better than what garbage excuse for a storyline the two Avenger movies followed. But the execution is terrible.

It's like Snyder is trying so hard to really get it, but he doesn't. Compared to the material he draws from, he is too shallow to make it justice.

 

[Phediuk]

Does it say something about our culture when there's over 12000 posts about review scores for a movie about a man in a bat suit fighting a man in blue spandex?

 

[Auto-Reply]

Supes is not going to say, "Here WW, you do it! Please I dont want to get hurt" Thats not his character, he would risk his life to do what is right,

He's not as much of a tactition as Batman is supposed to be, that's for sure. He attacks with a weapon that weakens himself. If he dropped out of the air halfway through his flight attack because of it he would have looked really silly.

 

[okdakor]

Supes is not going to say, "Here WW, you do it! Please I dont want to get hurt" Thats not his character, he would risk his life to do what is right,

Spoiler

He was already risking his life by bringing the kryptonite back to the fight...

and this movie doesn't give a shit about what is "his character".

 

[Bronx-Man]

Ant-Man.

It's one of the few recent super hero movies I can think of where the build-up towards the third act is entirely on account of the character's own agency and ingenuity. In movies like Iron Man, Cap and The Avengers the characters are by and large fighting an obligatory endgame that they're only treasured for due to their power features - but Ant-Man is one of the few movies where the characters' gifted ingenuity is what's pushing the third act and the heist, where Scott needs a whole bunch of other people to be able to back him up while his own heist experience is what allows him to know how getting in is going to work. It sets up early on in the movie how he's naturally good at what he does while him getting the ability to shrink is only a natural extension and tool for him to use in the final act. Then it ends in a trippy descent into the absolute nether.

Incidentally it's this valuing of the character's innate abilities that makes the movie better than Iron Man 1 and also why Iron Man 3 is secretly the best Iron Man movie.

100% truth in all of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPx7E27Bc8

 

[Toxi]

Does it say something about our culture when there's over 12000 posts about review scores for a movie about a man in a bat suit fighting a man in blue spandex?

Didn't you already basically make this post yesterday?

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Didn't you already basically make this post yesterday?

We on loop..

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Does it say something about our culture when there's over 12000 posts about review scores for a movie about a man in a bat suit fighting a man in blue spandex?

Read this - http://romanfitnesssystems.com/articles/mythology-and-superheroes/

 

[Robot Pants]

It's crazy that we're gonna have this craziness of posts/threads 3 more times this year. CW, SS and SW.

Acronyms make baby Jesus cry.
For the love of all things holy please start typing words out. Its not that difficult or time consuming. This shit needs to stop

 

[Saint Gregory]

No, he's reading the Fountainhead

I... omg, this suddenly explains so much. I'm going to have to watch MoS again (years from now) with this fresh perspective lol

Hey don't generalize Kansas, not everyone there is backwards and uneducated

Spoiler

most of them are

Besides, Luke had shitty parents in Star Wars and I don't see any fans complaining

Ha!

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Hi-res version please

Only one I could find..

 

[broncobuster]

All Star Superman is the GOAT.

What does the Mark Waid's intro to Volume 2 say?

Don't understand the expectation for All Star Superman. It's a story under very specific circumstances. I love it, but read other Superman comics for new panels to post. Since you quoted Waid, and since MoS borrows liberally from it, you can get an idea of what could've been in Birthright.

 

[Herbs]

Didn't you already basically make this post yesterday?

edit:
sorry. meaner than I wanted it to be

 

[Gordon Shumway]

sorry. meaner than I wanted it to be

Edit-

BOOOOO @ EDIT!

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Don't understand the expectation for All Star Superman. It's a story under very specific circumstances. I love it, but read other Superman comics for new panels to post. Since you quoted Waid, and since MoS borrows liberally from it, you can get an idea of what could've been in Birthright.

Birthright is a great story.

 

[Sanjuro]

Don't understand the expectation for All Star Superman. It's a story under very specific circumstances. I love it, but read other Superman comics for new panels to post. Since you quoted Waid, and since MoS borrows liberally from it, you can get an idea of what could've been in Birthright.

Wasn't this the MoS "basis" people were talking about a few years ago?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Birthright is better than All-Star.

I said it.

I fuckin SAID IT, that's right.

 

[Herbs]

Edit-

BOOOOO @ EDIT!

ha, you caught me

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Only one I could find..

Now we need a BvS version, where someone says offscreen:

Spoiler

"Its okay, building was empty as was every other one he demolished!"

 

[Naughty_Doge]

Acronyms make baby Jesus cry.
For the love of all things holy please start typing words out. Its not that difficult or time consuming. This shit needs to stop

Get with the times, grandpa. In this day and age we have acronyms for everything, even for terms like "word of mouth".

 

[TheSlySoul]

Had to re-read it, but yeah things like this is why I like Superman. Too bad I doubt we will get an on-screen version of it.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Don't understand the expectation for All Star Superman. It's a story under very specific circumstances. I love it, but read other Superman comics for new panels to post. Since you quoted Waid, and since MoS borrows liberally from it, you can get an idea of what could've been in Birthright.

If this were in the movie, he'd have been labeled sadist-man.

 

[broncobuster]

Birthright is a great story.

It really is. Sadly, I have troubles finding many panels on Google to post. Or of Secret Identity. Tons of Earth One panels...but, Earth One is not too good.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Birthright is better than All-Star.

I said it.

I fuckin SAID IT, that's right.

It does some things better, some things not as much.

It would actually work really well as a superman movie, but like a movie also kind of suffers from "origin story" symptoms and a second act lull.

All-Star Superman, I feel, executes its vision far better. There's the big narrative thread throughout it but each issue is a great story.

If Birthright is better in a trade, All Star is better issue to issue.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Don't understand the expectation for All Star Superman. It's a story under very specific circumstances. I love it, but read other Superman comics for new panels to post. Since you quoted Waid, and since MoS borrows liberally from it, you can get an idea of what could've been in Birthright.

I never had any expectation that Snyder or anyone else would use All Star as their basis. It's my favorite, but really it's just one of many great Superman stories.

Birthright is a fun one as well.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

ha, you caught me

&#128521;

Now we need a BvS version, where someone says offscreen:

Spoiler

"Its okay, building was empty as was every other one he demolished!"

Dude..

Spoiler

when Anderson Cooper said that shit, I laughed.

Fucking gold..

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Just finished watching this, and while certain parts of this were plodding none of what I saw was as bad as the reviews are making out at all.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

1) Secret Identity
2) Birthright
3) All-Star
4) What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, & the American Way?
5) For The Man Who Has Everything
6) Red Son
7) Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
8) Superman for All Seasons
9) Peace on Earth
10) It's a Bird

 

[okdakor]

If this were in the movie, he'd have been labeled sadist-man.

Superman is a sadist in BvS, with his supersenses he knows that Holly Hunter has a jar of piss on her desk, and he just stares at her, smiling internally