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[User1608]

I get making fun of Caitlyn for being a terrible person, I really do. However, finding the bit funny about "living a fantasy" is pretty fucked up, and I'm really disappointed in Dave's apparent transphobia from reading the OP.

I would say I'm not living a fantasy, I'm becoming the person I've always felt inside (like Caitlyn, and it will always be an ongoing process). Being transgender isn't funny. There is a ridiculous and disproportionate high rate of suicide.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/16/transgender-individuals-face-high-rates--suicide-attempts/31626633/

Suicide attempts are alarmingly common among transgender individuals such as Lampe; 41% try to kill themselves at some point in their lives, compared with 4.6% of the general public. The numbers come from a study by the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and the Williams Institute, which analyzed results from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey. Researchers are preparing to launch another version of the online survey on Wednesday.

But I suppose being part of a marginalized group is fair game for those who can't empathize and see us as nothing more than deluded men who wear skirts.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I think it's disingenous to claim not to understand how people can take the idea of being transgender as a type of cognitive dissonance. Most people don't know very much about the issue and when you tell them that someone who has decided they're a different gender is exactly the same as someone who is born that way it doesn't make any sense at all.

Chappelle is not simply ignorant, he's spreading his ignorance. He's being willfully ignorant, he's consciously choosing to be ignorant. Since when did ignorance become something to celebrate and hide behind? Seriously, this is an argument that is made to defend any degree of ignorance. People who didn't understand that black people were the same as any other ethnicity of people, people who didn't understand that being gay was a choice, etc.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

The possiblity of the cat being dead is what makes the joke funny, but the audience knowing the cat is actually dead makes it unfunny. However the cat being alive for the joke makes the joke fall flat. Therefore the cat has to exist between dead and alive for the joke to fulfill its purpose.

Which brings us fully to understanding the true nature of humor as inhabiting a state of funny/unfunny duality

Your Nobel is in the mail

 

[qcf x2]

It is interesting that wasn't Chappelle himself the one that stopped doing his shows because his jokes were being interpreted and laugh by racist people as racist jokes ?

No. He stopped doing the Chappelle Show because CC was telling him what kind of jokes to present (which of course were "black jokes for a white audience"). They basically wanted him to shuck and jive. 100% different.

On topic, people are free to be outraged, but he's free to say what he wants about who he wants. He's the comic, the stage is his platform. A lot of (if not most) comedy is crass, news at 11. This idea that comedians should acquiesce to peoples feelings is odd; it never has and I don't see why it should...either you like the material or you don't, the end. Vote with your wallet.

 

[N7Commander95]

How exactly is it hateful.. I Mean people have the right to what they find funny and what they think is true. And there is a hint of truth to it. What you feel like inside and what you identify with is all good, but at the end of the day you are what you were born as. That can't be changed. I mean people should accept that people have the right to be whatever the freaking want but I don't expect everyone to have to play along 100%.,its a controversial angle and I'm sure it's a but Dave is still working on. But it's not hateful.

People who are atheist are quick to call evryone religious idiots, but when it comes to having an opinion on the Trans phenomenon nothing but full compliance is accepted by thoae same people. Smh

You are awful

People on this site are fucking defending transphobia

 

[Nudull]

Jenner is a Reality TV show hack

Her support for Cruz proved where priorities lie

So transphobia's A-okay, so long as it's towards the "right" people?

 

[A Link to the Past]

You are awful

People on this site are fucking defending transphobia

Seriously. The poster may have well been talking about "race realism".

 

[gutter_trash]

So transphobia's A-okay, so long as it's towards the "right" people?

Jenner doesn't care about other Trans people proved by her political allegiance

 

[JABEE]

comedians joke about race by making fun of the ridiculousness of stereotypes and the stupidity of racists, not by saying without irony that mexicans are all lazy and blacks are stupid. you could joke about trans issues, but saying that trans people are just deluded is fucked up and wrong and not funny.

Comedians do all the above. Comedians make a living doing all of those things. All comedy acts don't handle subjects like Colbert or Oliver.

Listen to old Howard Stern. Listen to old Louis CK. Listen to Carlos Mencia. Listen to Chris Rock.

 

[Toxi]

How exactly is it hateful.. I Mean people have the right to what they find funny and what they think is true. And there is a hint of truth to it. What you feel like inside and what you identify with is all good, but at the end of the day you are what you were born as. That can't be changed. I mean people should accept that people have the right to be whatever the freaking want but I don't expect everyone to have to play along 100%.,its a controversial angle and I'm sure it's a but Dave is still working on. But it's not hateful.

People who are atheist are quick to call evryone religious idiots, but when it comes to having an opinion on the Trans phenomenon nothing but full compliance is accepted by thoae same people. Smh

Wow.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

You are awful

People on this site are fucking defending transphobia

It's more than that, it's people not caring that they are.

 

[raphier]

Uh, yes? Making fun of a horrible human being (Or organization) is obviously different from making fun of a minority group.

That should be fucking obvious.

A joke made about trans people is a joke made at the expense of a people who are in a bad situation. Thus, the end result is that a group that's already the butt of society is made the butt once again.

Here is the thing why I believe you are wrong. All jokes are made at the expense of others. Whether they are conflicting, have puns or irony is irrelevant. Mr. Bean makes jokes at the expense of stupid people, thus in your own words that group of idiots becomes the butt once again, but in the end the motif is fun. And you are wrong, because you assume that morality has bearing in humor. Jokes use motifs as a way to communicate something funny and relatable to another person. trans jokes fall in category of ethnic humor, where it's about the imagination of the teller than their punitative targets and Isis is an evil organization that is ripe in classical motifs for obvious reasons.( classical evil)

 

[Bubba T]

He probably should of made a joke of how Caitlyn Jenner supports an anti LGBT politician, even commenting about being his LGBT spokesperson.

 

[Nudull]

Jenner doesn't care about other Trans people proved by her political allegiance

Two wrongs don't make a right, though. Criticize her, sure, but does that excuse damning the rest of the non-cis community?

 

[Kinsei]

Jenner doesn't care about other Trans people proved by her political allegiance

So the response is to say she's really a man living a fantasy? Do you really not comprehend how fucked up that is?

 

[ApharmdX]

I'm not talking about what I overhear at dinner parties or whatever.

-Twitter
-TV and media
-College campuses
-Pretty much any public stage that isn't proudly right wing

Try saying something transphobic in these spheres. You'll be destroyed.

Media and college campuses are left-of-center or far-left. You're disqualifying a huge swath of the country to make your point. See bathroom bills, states which don't consider trans individuals to be a protected group, etc.

What I'm saying is that I don't think trans issues are settled in this country, not by a long shot.

I think it's disingenous to claim not to understand how people can take the idea of being transgender as a type of cognitive dissonance. Most people don't know very much about the issue and when you tell them that someone who has decided they're a different gender is exactly the same as someone who is born that way it doesn't make any sense at all.

I agree with this, I think. My own understanding of transgender issues isn't that great, and I've tried to educate myself. It's easy to see where it'd be hard for people who don't have a lot of exposure to those issues firsthand, because it's an idea on its face which is not intuitive.

 

[Platy]

How exactly is it hateful.. I Mean people have the right to what they find funny and what they think is true. And there is a hint of truth to it. What you feel like inside and what you identify with is all good, but at the end of the day you are what you were born as. That can't be changed. I mean people should accept that people have the right to be whatever the freaking want but I don't expect everyone to have to play along 100%.,its a controversial angle and I'm sure it's a but Dave is still working on. But it's not hateful.

People who are atheist are quick to call evryone religious idiots, but when it comes to having an opinion on the Trans phenomenon nothing but full compliance is accepted by thoae same people. Smh

Which is why we are all naked and full of piss and shit crying because we can't reach our food.

People grow, find their identities, do some corrections and become what they are, be a nerd with glasses, a model with big breasts or a trans women. 3 very different things from a small fat crying baby.

Atheists should believe in science and science supports trans people 200%. Feel free to read about. Wikipedia is a good start if you want.

 

[Toxi]

Here is the thing why I believe you are wrong. All jokes are made at the expense of others. Whether they are conflicting, have puns or irony is irrelevant. Mr. Bean makes jokes at the expense of stupid people, thus in your own words that group of idiots becomes the butt once again, but in the end the motif is fun. A person falls under funny circumstances. And you are wrong, because you assume that morality has bearing in humor. Jokes use motifs as a way to communicate something funny and relatable to another person. trans jokes fall in category of ethnic humor, where it's about the imagination of the teller than their punitative targets and Isis is an evil organization that is ripe in classical motifs for obvious reasons.

Please tell me what other kind of ethnic humor you enjoy. Nazi comics about Jewish people? Stormfront's jokes about how black people are monkeys? Laughing at gay people as "deluded faggots"?

Clearly they all have equal value as the Three Stooges' You Nazty Spy since they all at the expense of someone, right?

It's mind-boggling you seriously don't get that morality does factor into humor. Humor can be used to undermine dictators or to oppress minorities. We should not be defending the minstrel show just because it's humor.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

According to Dave, he was tipped off regarding Caitlyn's transition after bumping into longtime friend Kanye West. "I said, 'Kanye, why the long face?' And Kanye replied, 'Man, you’ll see,'"

That was funny to me.

The dumb story about him meeting a trans and wanting to use specific pronouns wasn't at all funny though.

 

[SummitAve]

Chappelle is not simply ignorant, he's spreading his ignorance. He's being willfully ignorant, he's consciously choosing to be ignorant. Since when did ignorance become something to celebrate and hide behind? Seriously, this is an argument that is made to defend any degree of ignorance. People who didn't understand that black people were the same as any other ethnicity of people, people who didn't understand that being gay was a choice, etc.

I hope the irony and ignorance of your rhetorical question isn't lost on people since it's almost entirely based on hearsay.

 

[Korigama]

Chappelle is a clown that victim blames rape victims and compares it to wearing a police costume. He's politically incorrect as all hell. And the crowd loves it

Pretty sure there was no blaming of rape victims in that routine (the subject isn't even mentioned).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI

Not to say that it's unthinkable that some might still take offense with what he was saying in said routine anyway, though.

 

[LucidMomentum]

Is there a video of this yet?

No, due to the fact that he's working with that startup that puts people's phones into bags so they don't talk on them or record his routines.

 

[BocoDragon]

Yeah if only trans people could live in twitter on on tv then they'd be fine and wouldn't have to worry about anything.

That's completely irrelevant.

If I state that it's taboo to say the n-bomb in the public sphere, I never implied all racism was eliminated.

Here's the point: if support for transgendered issues has become a sacred cow in mainstream discourse (and I would say in the 2010s that it has) then it is possible to tell a transgender joke that is the equivalent of a "dead baby joke". The butt of the joke is that you aren't supposed to say it, and it's funny that you crossed the line, not that dead babies are cool.

I don't know if Chappelle's joke is like that or not. I'd really have to hear it.

 

[Lothar]

some specifics would help me here, i don't listen to those guys in particular

Artie and Gilbert's race comedy

https://youtu.be/uC8y68We5eo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6XFdMOEfaUc#t=29m
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uOx4TiBkNqE

 

[JABEE]

So if a comedian says black people are stupid as a joke, it's totes okay because he's just shocking people and bringing them out of their comfort zone to discuss the controversial topic of racism.

It's not okay to me, but this is what comedians do. Many comics put people down for without reason. They touch on subjects that people believe should always be presented in a serious manner disease, alcoholism, abhorrent crimes.

I would like to watch Chapelle make the joke, but I don't think his process of trying to come up with something funny is something we should look down upon, because his version of it does not end up being funny. Comedians constantly take things to far and pull back as a means of getting a good joke that enough people will find funny to put food on the table.

 

[Beth Cyra]

How exactly is it hateful.. I Mean people have the right to what they find funny and what they think is true. And there is a hint of truth to it. What you feel like inside and what you identify with is all good, but at the end of the day you are what you were born as. That can't be changed. I mean people should accept that people have the right to be whatever the freaking want but I don't expect everyone to have to play along 100%.,its a controversial angle and I'm sure it's a but Dave is still working on. But it's not hateful.

People who are atheist are quick to call evryone religious idiots, but when it comes to having an opinion on the Trans phenomenon nothing but full compliance is accepted by thoae same people. Smh

Hmm.

Interesting mind set ya got there.

Thankfully the medical community has proven this to be wrong.

 

[johnsavage]

You're allowed to find that funny, just as people on /pol/ are allowed to find Nazis caricatures of Jews funny.

We're allowed to say that's some fucked-up shit.

That is all I care about.

I don't care about what Dave said but people shaming other's for finding what he said funny is just as bad as people shaming others for not finding it funny. This whole thread is just a gigantic clash of views and no one will yield.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Here is the thing why I believe you are wrong. All jokes are made at the expense of others. Whether they are conflicting, have puns or irony is irrelevant. Mr. Bean makes jokes at the expense of stupid people, thus in your own words that group of idiots becomes the butt once again, but in the end the motif is fun. And you are wrong, because you assume that morality has bearing in humor. Jokes use motifs as a way to communicate something funny and relatable to another person. trans jokes fall in category of ethnic humor, where it's about the imagination of the teller than their punitative targets and Isis is an evil organization that is ripe in classical motifs for obvious reasons.( classical evil)

Once again, how is "living a fantasy" a joke?

That is all I care about.

I don't care about what Dave said but people shaming other's for finding what he said funny is just as bad as people shaming others for not finding it funny. This whole thread is just a gigantic clash of views and no one will yield.

No, it's not just as a bad to shame someone who feels being transgender is living a fantasy. Not at all.

 

[SOME-MIST]

So if a comedian says black people are stupid as a joke, it's totes okay because he's just shocking people and bringing them out of their comfort zone to discuss the controversial topic of racism.

your bit seems a little out of context much like chapelle's statement. now if you went on to share an experience where someone who was black did something completely idiotic, you might be able to get a chuckle out of me even if I don't agree with the statement.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Here is the thing why I believe you are wrong. All jokes are made at the expense of others. Whether they are conflicting, have puns or irony is irrelevant. Mr. Bean makes jokes at the expense of stupid people, thus in your own words that group of idiots becomes the butt once again, but in the end the motif is fun. And you are wrong, because you assume that morality has bearing in humor. Jokes use motifs as a way to communicate something funny and relatable to another person. trans jokes fall in category of ethnic humor, where it's about the imagination of the teller than their punitative targets and Isis is an evil organization that is ripe in classical motifs for obvious reasons.( classical evil)

Mr. Bean is a crass jerk. He intentionally creates a character who is boorish, childish, immature, and just kind of mean. It is not about stupid people. Going further, being stupid is not nearly something that carries as much negative weight in society as being trans.

I hope the irony and ignorance of your rhetorical question isn't lost on people since it's almost entirely based on hearsay.

Oh? So the hearsay of three different instances where Chappelle made very serious transphobic jokes?

Let me guess - you didn't bother to read the thread huh lol.

 

[raphier]

Please tell me what other kind of ethnic humor you enjoy. Nazi comics about Jewish people? Stormfront's jokes about how black people are monkeys? Laughing at gay people as "deluded faggots"?

If you keep going like that, then you can reduce any part of humanity into bigotry.

Mr. Bean is a crass jerk. He intentionally creates a character who is boorish, childish, immature, and just kind of mean. It is not about stupid people. Going further, being stupid is not nearly something that carries as much negative weight in society as being trans.

Oh but it does. he is the epitome of that one guy with low IQ who probably killed himself ages ago.

 

[Kreed]

He actually bans that from his shows for this very reason. It's material that's being tried out. Many old school comics actually can't stand that trend.

We had a GAF thread discussing his banning of cellphones with many members pissed off he would do this vs just allowing his material to be seen by everyone, but as you said, threads like this illustrate the very reason he needs to do this. Forget taking jokes out of context with cell phone footage or the joke still being in the "test phase", here we are discussing a news story where the only source is someone "claiming" to hear the joke and providing us with a TLDR version of it without any context at all or any way to substantiate the claims. Jokes, especially with comedians like Dave Chappelle, are all about his delivery and the stories he tells leading up to the jokes.

Example, there was a comedy special where he made jokes about Elizabeth Smart not being that smart. In the context of my post, this sounds terrible, but if you actually see the bit in proper context, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as my post would make it seem.

 

[The_Kid]

Being a gifted comedian that pushes the racial and political boundaries of comedy doesn't make you any less of a bigot when it comes to other issues. I love his comedy, but intersectionality only goes as far as your personal experience.

 

[Abounder]

Pretty sure there was no blaming of rape victims in that routine (the subject isn't even mentioned).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-1kHxsavI

Not to say that it's unthinkable that some might still take offense with what he was saying in said routine anyway, though.

Yea it's more the implication with how to treat someone wearing a 'whore's uniform' lol

 

[BocoDragon]

Media and college campuses are left-of-center or far-left. You're disqualifying a huge swath of the country to make your point. See bathroom bills, states which don't consider trans individuals to be a protected group, etc.

What I'm saying is that I don't think trans issues are settled in this country, not by a long shot.

Who's talking about whether "trans issues are settled"?

I'm talking about trans support being a media standard. There is a line drawn there: a taboo. And that means there is a potential bounty on its back, because comedians love to skewer taboos.

You can say "it's punching down" at trans culture, but depending in the joke being told, it may well be "punching up" at PC culture.

 

[Toxi]

If you keep going like that, then you can reduce any part of humanity into bigotry.

What a fucking non-answer.

Explain how those are not perfectly fine from the comedy perspective you're describing. Why do you think morality doesn't factor into the same form of entertainment that gave us the minstrel show?

 

[A Link to the Past]

If you keep going like that, then you can reduce any part of humanity into bigotry.



Oh but it does. he is the epitome of that one guy with low IQ who probably killed himself ages ago.

It... really doesn't lol. I mean fuck, our society elected George W. Bush, a person who while not an idiot, was not nearly a smart President. The frontrunner of the GOP is a man who is profoundly ignorant of MANY important things that a President NEEDS to know. Anti-elitism/intellectualism is extremely powerful because average/uninformed people are a large percentage of the population.

Meanwhile, trans people represent a very small portion of our population, yet are more likely to be homeless, to be harassed, to be killed, to be unemployed, etc.

We had a GAF thread discussing his banning of cellphones with many members pissed off he would do this vs just allowing his material to be seen by everyone, but as you said, threads like this illustrate the very reason he needs to do this. Forget taking jokes out of context with cell phone footage or the joke still being in the "test phase", here we are discussing a news story where the only source is someone "claiming" to hear the joke and providing us with a TLDR version of it without any context at all or any way to substantiate the claims. Jokes, especially with comedians like Dave Chappelle, are all about his delivery and the stories he tells leading up to the jokes.

Example, there was a comedy special where he made jokes about Elizabeth Smart not being that smart. In the context of my post, this sounds terrible, but if you actually see the bit in proper context, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as my post would make it seem.

If you had read the thread, Chappelle has made this joke multiple times, and there are links to other instances of transphobic jokes made by Chappelle in the past. You talk of context, but none exists if you intentionally ignore it like you seem to have.

 

[Chorazin]

And then there’s that trans joke, in which Dave, finding himself at a poncey gallery party, is stared down when he dares to ask ‘Is he okay?’ after a cross-dresser collapses in the corner. ‘I support anyone’s right to be who they want to be. My question is: to what extent do I have to participate in your self-image?’

If the joke being that people stopped to chastise him for saying "is he ok? instead of getting help for her when she collapsed, now that's funny. That people care so much about appearing politically correct while ignoring the actual plight of the person endangered is great comedic satire.

But we don't know since it's out of context. :/

 

[Toxi]

your bit seems a little out of context much like chapelle's statement. now if you went on to share an experience where someone who was black did something completely idiotic, you might be able to get a chuckle out of me even if I don't agree with the statement.

It's hard for me to talk about Chapelle's statement because, as you mentioned, I lack context.

But I don't think that a joke about black people being stupid somehow has value because a certain black person did something stupid. It's still just me reinforcing racist perspectives to get a chuckle out of my audience.

 

[BocoDragon]

We had a GAF thread discussing his banning of cellphones with many members pissed off he would do this vs just allowing his material to be seen by everyone, but as you said, threads like this illustrate the very reason he needs to do this. Forget taking jokes out of context with cell phone footage or the joke still being in the "test phase", here we are discussing a news story where the only source is someone "claiming" to hear the joke and providing us with a TLDR version of it without any context at all or any way to substantiate the claims. Jokes, especially with comedians like Dave Chappelle, are all about his delivery and the stories he tells leading up to the jokes.

Example, there was a comedy special where he made jokes about Elizabeth Smart not being that smart. In the context of my post, this sounds terrible, but if you actually see the bit in proper context, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as my post would make it seem.

In a wierd way I think it's backfired. If we had a clip of the comedy we could at least judge the joke properly. But since we don't, social media is going to talk about it anyway, and in that medium you can't do much but pull the taboo subjects out of context and judge them accordingly.

 

[UrbanRats]

When did I say it's "off-limits"? He didn't tell a joke, he just said hate speech. I mean, is this the new out? If the Westboro Baptist Church changed its name to the Westboro Baptist Comedy Club, does that make what they do and say more okay?

That would make a lot more sense, since they're so laughable.

 

[Toxi]

That would make a lot more sense, since they're so laughable.

The Westboro Baptist Comedy Club should be a sitcom.

 

[ApharmdX]

Who's talking about whether "trans issues are settled"?

I'm talking about trans support being a media standard. There is a line drawn there: a taboo. And that means there is a potential bounty on its back, because comedians love to skewer taboos.

You can say "it's punching down" at trans culture, but depending in the joke being told, it may well be "punching up" at PC culture.

I read back through your posts in the thread, and I took the first one I quoted a bit out of context. Yes, trans acceptance is the "mainstream view", or at least, that's the narrative, so this could be construed as hitting back against that. South Park did a great job of it last season, for instance. But this doesn't really feel like that.

Of course this is all conjecture unless we hear the actual routine.

 

[John Dunbar]

In a wierd way I think it's backfired. If we had a clip of the comedy we could at least judge the joke properly. But since we don't, social media is going to talk about it anyway, and in that medium you can't do much but pull the taboo subjects out of context and judge them accordingly.

but comedians don't always want their jokes to be "judged properly" until they have had the time to test and hone them with audiences first.

 

[NimbusD]

That's completely irrelevant.

If I state that it's taboo to say the n-bomb in the public sphere, I never implied all racism was eliminated.

Here's the point: if support for transgendered issues has become a sacred cow in mainstream discourse (and I would say in the 2010s that it has) then it is possible to tell a transgender joke that is the equivalent of a "dead baby joke". The butt of the joke is that you aren't supposed to say it, and it's funny that you crossed the line, not that dead babies are cool.

I don't know if Chappelle's joke is like that or not. I'd really have to hear it.

You have a pretty skewed view of mainstream acceptance of transgendered people. Just look at recent bills in Georgia or North Carolina. These are whole states rallying against the right of transgender people to exist, not just a bunch of people sitting at their computer yelling at people on twitter.

It was only last year that the Caitlyn Jenner thing happened and whatever the personal views on her are, that was huge. It was the first real public mainstream discussion about this. And before she came out, just look at the regularly transphobic and misinformed headlines that were all over the place about people suspecting she might be transgender.

You can look back at the threads in this very forum of people who just didnt understand basic things about trangendered people. Much of it is not malicious, but the ignorance surrounding them is harmful in and of itself. Just because one very public discussion happened and brought a lot of attention to it, doesn't mean that it's over or that the discrimination went away.

So there's areas of very strong support, and you list mostly places that are virtual: Twitter, stages, TV. These are helpful, but saying that's suddenly made the life of a transperson 'normal' or free from transphobia is absolutely ridiculous. The conversation that leads to mass acceptance is just beginning.

Also, comparing a transphobic joke to a dead baby joke is completely missing the point. A dead baby joke is a (hack) joke solely for shock value. The chances of you running into someone who's going to take that joke and go yeah! Kill all babies! I'd imagine is shockingly slim. But giving credence to those who are either misinformed about trangender issues or just transphobic is a completely different scenario.

 

[BocoDragon]

I read back through your posts in the thread, and I took the first one I quoted a bit out of context. Yes, trans acceptance is the "mainstream view", or at least, that's the narrative, so this could be construed as hitting back against that. South Park did a great job of it last season, for instance. But this doesn't really feel like that.

Of course this is all conjecture unless we hear the actual routine.

That's true.

 

[SummitAve]

Mr. Bean is a crass jerk. He intentionally creates a character who is boorish, childish, immature, and just kind of mean. It is not about stupid people. Going further, being stupid is not nearly something that carries as much negative weight in society as being trans.



Oh? So the hearsay of three different instances where Chappelle made very serious transphobic jokes?

Let me guess - you didn't bother to read the thread huh lol.

Excuse my ignorance then. I was following the beginning of this thread. Mind pointing me to the links that contain the three acts for which the jokes took place so I can fully understand the jokes and context before forming my opinion?

 

[The_Kid]

If the joke being that people stopped to chastise him for saying "is he ok? instead of getting help for her when she collapsed, now that's funny. That people care so much about appearing politically correct while ignoring the actual plight of the person endangered is great comedic satire.

But we don't know since it's out of context. :/

Yeah, depending on the context that actually sounds like a funny joke.

 

[Trey]

If the joke being that people stopped to chastise him for saying "is he ok? instead of getting help for her when she collapsed, now that's funny. That people care so much about appearing politically correct while ignoring the actual plight of the person endangered is great comedic satire.

But we don't know since it's out of context. :/

That is the exact joke. There is an undercurrent of transphobia to the joke, and Dave uses it to stress the absurdity of the situation he found himself in.

It's funny that people bring up the police officer/woman dressed as a ho joke he did. I feel that the joke this topic is based on is essentially the police officer joke repackaged, in that Dave's sensibilities and intuition is being challenged. he feels the curt responses he gets in his jokes are absurd, considerdering the visual presentation the subjects of his jokes display.

 

[laserlaser]

We had a GAF thread discussing his banning of cellphones with many members pissed off he would do this vs just allowing his material to be seen by everyone, but as you said, threads like this illustrate the very reason he needs to do this. Forget taking jokes out of context with cell phone footage or the joke still being in the "test phase", here we are discussing a news story where the only source is someone "claiming" to hear the joke and providing us with a TLDR version of it without any context at all or any way to substantiate the claims. Jokes, especially with comedians like Dave Chappelle, are all about his delivery and the stories he tells leading up to the jokes.

Example, there was a comedy special where he made jokes about Elizabeth Smart not being that smart. In the context of my post, this sounds terrible, but if you actually see the bit in proper context, it doesn't sound nearly as bad as my post would make it seem.

Yup. I was at his show this past Sat. for the taping. The Caitlyn joke is not like the OP described. Just wait for the special before outraging.