Reminds me of this:
HAHAHAHAHA, this is amazing.
Star Ocean 5 character gets less-sexy underwear 'in Fear of Western Criticism'
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HAHAHAHAHA, this is amazing.
dlcnotincluded
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Are we even still talking about the character's changes anymore?
How far off topic have we come........
How far off topic have we come........
KirbYuuYuu
Member
Topics are bound to change, just like a pair of underwear.
OT but somewhat related, Overwatch's Tracer had a "sexy" victory pose that the community forced to remove
http://www.allgamesdelta.net/2016/03/blizzard-to-remove-tracer-pose-from.html
I like the character(but i don't care about the game) and i think it's probably for the good, but the fact that the pose had to be removed because:
"She's Fast.
She's Silly.
She's Kind.
She's a good Friend."
etc it's just bullshit imo, why can't a good, fast, silly, kind person be or desire to be sexy(not that i find that pose sexy though)? It's like passing from a bad stereotype to another bad one.
There's this weird thing in media in general where the general public ingesting the medium doesn't like their "good proper girls" to show any real signs of sexuality. It happens in america all the time, usually under the banner of the girl next door, and it happens in Japan with the insane nose to the grindstone nature of the idol system and how every girl has to be complete chaste. It's weird, but I understand why the community would want it changed, even if it makes no sense on a whole (she's still in tights and you still get that shot of her butt every time she runs).
It's strange that the image of "the good girl" is still one that people try to protect months before anyone knows anything about the actual character. But hey, fandoms right? Tumblr built an empire on it.
There's only so far you can go when the actual change itself is basically meaningless. All you can do is talk about the nature of the thing, which is weird and creepy and forces a lot of people to oggle scantly clad girls under the age of 17.
Sheriff_Battlesnake
Banned
It'd be a short conversation if we were just talking about undergarments instead of our reaction to the undergarments.
all too easy
Sometimes I wonder if posts like this one are real, outraged about future imaginary outrage.
OT, I think this could be a PR move, a few people would've notice the underwear at best, and the witch character with the ridiculous bodystocking(?)/microskirt is still there.
Yeah that's exactly what happens, principles are principles.
I couldn't give two shits about this change but I still find it annoying that yet another developer feels the need to change some arbitrary element of their game, or of a character in their game, out of fear of backlash.
They should have just stuck to their guns and done whatever they wanted, who cares, this isn't going to change anyone's decision.
dlcnotincluded
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Haint
Member
Huh? They basically said straight out (same with that DoAX3 twitter reply) they're making these changes (and not releasing the game) to avoid western outrage. Don't really know how you can read anything else into the statements these JP developers are making on the subject. I'd actually be interested in hearing your take on it as you apparently feel they're not talking about "future imaginary outrage".
Being for social justice is terrible. All those that are for equality and fair representation of all people should be shamed.
What you did there, I see it.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Wow, that's a really bold argument you're taking on.
Criticism is not outrage, simple as that.
You really think this is some kind of ingenious conspiracy?
Yeah, whenever I see the term SJW used unironically, it's a reliable red flag to just ignore everything that follows.
Yeah but...who's doing that?
The very real truth about this situation is that don't no one give a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK about some star ocean 5, fanservice or otherwise.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Evidently people are conspiring to conjure up a conspiracy.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
are the pictures in the OP a before and after?
It's not really conspiracy nor it is ingenious. People on the internet are usually easy to influence. I mean a longer skirt lead to a 20+ page thread. Whether people are against or for it ti will spread across social media and is free publicity for a game a huge chunk of gamers probably didn't care in the first place.
The Last One
Member
A SO 5 thread with more than 20 pages. Finally lol
KirbYuuYuu
Member
In the mean time, how about those panty machines?
How do I order an SO5 venti
DR2K
Banned
I know right. Lol
We got an Ys thread with more than 15 pages over fanservice wagon-circling and people with really big gaps in their memory of Ys games. Anything is possible with the power of underwear.
It's kind of a conspiracy when some people make a secret plan with the intent to manipulate the public through lies.
And I don't really believe in the idea that any publicity is good publicity
Haint
Member
Fair enough. FWIW I use outrage in the intentionally hyperbolic sense to emphasize the point. Don't take every word of a post so literal.
I was quite specific in my use, citing examples it's likely most people would consider pretty ridiculous stances. SJW is used to describe the radical extreme who create issue where there really is none, which was how I intended it and seems incredibly relevant to the topic at hand.
Ya, SJW is pretty much a slur at this point. I mean, if you think that someone might be misguided/hyperbolic in their argument/discussion of a particular social justice issue, then be specific in pointing that instance out, rather than painting everyone that is for social justice under an extremely large brush, which is what the term SJW does. using SJW as a disparaging term tells me you're doing the latter rather than the former and says a lot more about you than it does about them.
R_thanatos
Member
I'm actually disapointed , this is the issue that made so many pages but not the new insane SO3-like twist that might be in the game
Well, next time I'll try to read your mind to understand what you are really trying to convey.
I'm obviously joking
LifeBrandRobot
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"All foreigners play are games where you slaughter people indifferently. So they got a lot of nerve to speak up about small things like this in other countries' games"
Hard to argue with that. It's fine if her butt is covered up with blood, though.
Hard to argue with that. It's fine if her butt is covered up with blood, though.
The way I see it is that they didn't even have to mention this in the first place. It's a minor change that changes nothing about the game but instead they got to blame the western audience for it. They are stirring up the pot for a reason. They could always have said we decided to alter it because it was too much revealing but instead blame an other audience for it.
EvilKatarn
Member
Used panty machines.
Edit: You have a point, but it's probably honesty.
Holy shit. LifeBrandRobot just solved everything.
But that could also simply be truth behind the change. They didn't have to reveal the exact reason, but also, why shouldn't they?
psynergylover
Member
seems like S-E trying to make something out of nothing, no one was talking about her wardrobe before.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
From fat guys playing DDR most likely. Easy cash.
The US scored .07 point(s) higher than Japan.
Looking up exactly how this score is calculated the best info I could find is:
It basically says that women have more access to careers and politics, it really doesn't reflect things like social descrimination from what the stuff it covers seems to be saying.
The spread from the highest ranked country to the lowest is .4 and again the difference between the US and Japan is only .07. It doesn't really do a very good job of demonstrating that the US is some massively progressive country in this regard and that Japan is backwards and it doesn't really tell the whole story either.
Japan is pretty crazy when it comes to women, that's for sure. You need to be a woman living there to see how far they go on their treatment. Net stories don't even begin to show what is like.
Still, there is also some stuff i think is cool. In Japan, not only women are treated like eye candy, but men too. There is a whole industry of games, mangas, movies and all that, catered exclusively to women using men sex appeal, where in the west these look much more focused for the male.
Because no one cares about this outside of people wanting to throw an internet tantrum? Why does it changes anything with the game that a skirt is longer? If you were planning to get the game this really doesn't change a thing. It's nothing worthwhile and has been happening in games for a while. Sprites were altered since like SNES games because they were too revealing or religious and no one threw a fit over those.
But for a few month now this has been a hot topic. With all that has happened with Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian it's really easy to rile up a controversy.
The biggest problem here is so few people think they might be wrong, or that the issue at hand may not even have a definitive right or wrong. It's like watching Pligs and Plorgs argue about what color the Floop should be painted. I don't know what color it should be painted, and even if there were 2 Floops for the Pligs and Plorgs there would still be disagreement over what color to paint it. What is the answer to that? Maybe everyone should have their own Floop? But then there would still be people arguing that other peoples' Floops should be the same color as theirs. I just don't know.
Mutlicolored Floop?
Mutlicolored Floop?
Well the people who asked what happened to the panties probably care about the why.
And Japan might have thrown a fit if the sprites in the Japanese versions also had been altered back then
Basically I find it weird that people rather assume that Japanese devs are liars instead of them responding to Western criticism.