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[jmdajr]

games released after this new model is released will run like total garbage on the original.

SONY is not dropping support, but for sure it won't be 100%, and each year after will be less.

I guess we are now in Tablet/Phone territory more than anything.

 

[The Beard]

So, won't I need a 4K TV to get the most out of this?

Yes, what are you waiting for? Consume! Consume! Consume!

 

[pelican]

It will be interesting to see if some attitudes chance once Sony show the new console running games.

I'm not talking about those like me who are into the idea, but those firmly against it.

It might be hard to resist

 

[The God]

The X1 and PS4 are already outdated, and it's only getting worse as time moves on with all the technological advances happening. You can see some games hurting from this already.

This is a necessary thing if you want the medium to move forward. And if you're inclined, newer games will still work on the older consoles, with less performance/graphical fidelity. It's not splitting up anything.

I seriously don't see how we can keep this generation cycle going without these console upgrades.

I don't understand how this is true if you say that all games will work on the original consoles. Nothing is moving forward if the OGPS4 is the baseline.

 

[napata]

We have facts to prove this do we?

The proof is in the very link you gave lol. Read the tflops quote again and then check the actual performance in the review. You will see the 970 beat 290.

 

[MarineMountie]

Wanting a Horizon: Zero Dawn bundle. Maybe throw in God of War 4 as well.

 

[Joelstinton14]

I don't think people have any idea how market realities will embrace these kinds of products, despite how we've seen these things change.

A newer, higher end ps4 lowering the cost of entry for the base model will only create new access for different consumers. This community is very niche and insular and very reactionary to things, tends to hype itself both negatively and positively.

If all this info is true, it means we'll have a new paradigm for consoles, and we'll babe to see how it affects then going forward, but it's also the first time we'd have the exact same architecture being shared between these models for mass development.

I'd rather wait and let Sony demonstrate what they're going to do and how they'll pull it off, and what that will mean going forward.

Instead of, you know, losing my Damn mind and exploding with preposterous statements.

That's a good post.

Personally the

It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance..

statement irks me a little bit. I know the comment is second hand and may not wholly reveal sony's plan and attitude going forward, but it doesn't feel good and of course to some degree the .5 upgrade was always going to have games that would take advantage of the machine but it feels cold. I was kind of open to the iterative update model, but i on a lesser scale where it would take a couple of models to have such a jump in performance ( i'm not a techie, but this sounds like a significant jump).

I would have liked to be informed of the direction that Sony and MS are taking with there business before hand when they announced their Machines. No one expected this when they brought their machines. Some suspected or wondered why no one had moved to OS based machines, i guess the move to X86 suggested it but that was it.

And to be honest i haven't been that enthusiastic about the games released this gen so far from a triple A perspective. Of course i will wait until how sony lay this out for us.

 

[Neuromancer]

How about upgrading the rubber on DS4's analog sticks first?

For less than $10 you can upgrade them yourselves buy buying little grips that fit over them. I never looked back.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ITSX192/?tag=neogaf0e-20

 

[Memento]

So they are going to announce it this E3 and launch it Q1 2017? WHY.GIF

 

[ZangBa]

I still haven't got Kingdom Hearts 3. If this dumbass console delays it even more, I swear to God.

 

[TM94]

That's not an absolute. Maybe some devs will do this but not all.

maybe Pure Chess will be alright and 2D indie platformer 101 as well

 

[Spirited]

Ok this,isn't powerful enough to deliver 4k games, give me 60fps with better graphics and I'm in day 1 even maybe.

2x GPU power won't be able to make that happen.

 

[Plinko]

I get that Sony wants to push 4K, but unless they convince cable/satellite/network TV stations to upgrade as well, it will never be anywhere near as popular as they hope.

The only way 4K gets penetration into a majority of homes is when EVERY TV on the market is 4K.

 

[Portugeezer]

 

[qa_engineer]

Polaris 10 based APU confirmed. AMD already selling that 14nm finfet goodness.

 

[MoogleWizard]

It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance.

I bought every Playstation since the original PSX. If this is true then bye bitch, PS4 will be my last, no more money from me.

 

[CosmicQueso]

I'm wondering if it was meant more like "We will be releasing it by late Q1 2017" so they knew it was coming this fiscal year at worst, with an intention to hit the holiday period.

Okay yeah. This makes the most sense. Put the placeholder at the end of the specified date range.

No way this misses holiday.

 

[Papacheeks]

I would laugh so hard if this was all just a April fools joke.

 

[blastprocessor]

So, won't I need a 4K TV to get the most out of this?

Well for UHD BluRay and other media apps such as Netflix yeah but it seems the GPU perf won't be enough for AAA 4K games, maybe Indie.

 

[Loris146]

So they are going to announce it this E3 and launch it Q1 2017? WHY.GIF

No way. It does not make any sense in this case.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I will probably sit this one out as long as possible. Already pre-ordered a VR set though.

2nd Gen VR games will run like butt on the OG PS4

I'm calling it now

 

[Mechanized]

This thread... Jesus people, get your shit together.

Its an upgraded PS4, it will make future PS4 games look prettier and run smoother. If you don't want it, stick with the current model. No one is putting a gun to your head.

They haven't even announced the thing yet.

A console is a multi year investment, and has been for a long ass time. Essentially cutting the generation short with a stop-gap upgrade rightfully has people pissed/worried/frustrated.

 

[AmyS]

im tellin' ya. The PS4K is a decision made by sony as a whole to push 4k media that will benefit the entire company. This is not just a decision made by sony to have a more powerful video game console.

I agree, absolutely.

 

[F4r0_Atak]

Sony to original PS4 owners

I'll wait and see first if they have any trade-in programs. Gamestop/EB Games would most likely jump on this occasion to cash-in those first-gen PS4.

 

[RedRum]

Sorry, but I don't think this will be good for devs. Smaller devs even. We were just starting to move away from the PS360 and now developement costs will skyrocket when you have 2 or more iriterations of consoles to develop for. In development, you start at the top and work your way down. Older consoles will be left in the dust. The question to ask I'd whether devs will eat the cost of optimizing for older console versions. Imagine devs developing for Sony, MS, and Nintendo across 6 consoles with hardware vastly different from each other.

 

[Obliterator]

Yields would make this really hard to believe.

And the GCN generation leap would be a clusterfuck.

Oh I hear you I'm just saying its theoretically possible.

That said they won't be using 14nm architecture, of that I'm almost certain.

 

[Shredderi]

Sony to original PS4 owners

I don't really feel that way even though I am an early adopter. What if it's a case of "here's your game that totally looks and feels like a proper PS4 game would, here is the PS4.5 version which is the same as the PS4 version but with more effects unlocked, better draw distance. Like a multiplatform game that can utilize more graphical options on the PC.

 

[komorebi]

im tellin' ya. The PS4K is a decision made by sony as a whole to push 4k media that will benefit the entire company. This is not just a decision made by sony to have a more powerful video game console.

Very likely the case.

 

[daveo42]

One thing l hope for is that PSVR box is built into the PS4K.

Based on OP, PSVR will benefit from the hardware boost, but VR won't be included in the box. The biggest thing we can hope for is that the processing unit currently in the breakout box can be included in the PS4k shell, though that won't really decrease the VR footprint.

 

[stan423321]

So, won't I need a 4K TV to get the most out of this?

Depends on how the whole thing will play out. My assumptions? Nope. 4KTVs will get 4K videos, 4K60Hz "light" titles with occasional performance performer (something like Unreal?), and there's that. Everyone will target IQ and maaaybe framerate instead. (VR doesn't need TV anyway, does it.) Better get used to that scaler.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Was TLG one of these games? Only then I'd be interested in PS4K.

Not gonna lie, this is me. But this is kinda the worst outcome.Sony needs to start talking or they nay have shit the bed.

 

[metalslimer]

If games start running poorly on the original I'm out.

 

[Machinehead]

I already have 2 jobs.

I need a new one.
(from 10:30pm to 5am, which is my free time ATM)

 

[Ricker]

I get that Sony wants to push 4K, but unless they convince cable/satellite/network TV stations to upgrade as well, it will never be anywhere near as popular as they hope.

The only way 4K gets penetration into a majority of homes is when EVERY TV on the market is 4K.

Basically yep...go and buy a CRT right now lol...also they need to drop in price,obviously.

 

[rokkerkory]

Sorry, but I don't think this will be good for devs. Smaller devs even. We were just starting to move away from the PS360 and now developement costs will skyrocket when you have 2 or more iriterations of consoles to develop for. In development, you start at the top and work your way down. Older consoles will be left in the dust. The question to ask I'd whether devs will eat the cost of optimizing for older console versions. Imagine devs developing for Sony, MS, and Nintendo across 6 consoles with hardware vastly different from each other.

Pretty much forcing devs to think differently for sure. More ala apple store like

 

[Clear]

games released after this new model is released will run like total garbage on the original.

Why would anyone target an untried platform over one with a strong established userbase?

Games need to turn a profit first and foremost, wowing people with graphics is not a smart idea if it gets in the way of that primary goal.

 

[Apoleptica]

This is amazing.

 

[qa_engineer]

Polaris 10 (or 11) based APU confirmed. AMD already selling that 14nm finfet goodness.

 

[F4r0_Atak]

Well Gaf which one are you hopping on?

I'm in for the PS4K at the right price (the most important point, since I live in Canada) and if they have a proper trade-in/bring back program for the new ones.

 

[convo]

I understand the fear, but until that actually comes to pass, all you're doing us expending energy on that fear and concern for no reason. Making it known that you don't want your existing purchase to stop being supported (and since it still has a shared architecture, it would take something ridiculous to not work at all) is the best course. Rather than being irrational.

Just my thoughts.

I sure wish Sony would makes relevant and official statements about this right now. Make sure those ridiculous situations don't arise at all cost.

 

[JigglesBunny]

You just know DICE will still put games out at 900p, 60fps.

 

[BRocknRolla]

The reactions in this thread have been absolutely spectacular. The amount of emotional, irrational anger is something special. I understand a certain level of wariness to the approach, but the "Fuck you Sony" and "Sony is ruining consoles" stuff is amazing.

 

[Carn82]

This may play into the strategy:



http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...gh-definition-movie-streaming-service-n547906

30 bucks for a movie, that aint cheap.

 

[Kard8p3]

thanks for the free ps4k sony i appreciate it!

 

[EatinOlives]

I don't understand people who complain about having bought a PS4 in the last 2 years and a half. You had loads of games and PS4K users, if everything said here is true, won't get patches to get the game better on PS4K for all the games that you did play between the end of 2013 and the end of 2016 (or 2017). Do you see all devs patching their games 1, 2, 3 years after the release for a small user base ? And you will play the same games for at still 3 more years (from 2016). So it's basically a 6-year gen at least. That's not like the gen will end Q1 2017. Stop freaking out.

For console+PC owners it's a silly proposal that we should upgrade to a completely new console every half-gen. That frequency and cost of upgrading puts the cycle of hardware and cost associated with it closer to the PC camp, a camp that from my experience runs more and more third party and "console exclusives to PS4" games far better anyway. So I'm on the PS4 for the odd exclusive that comes out, and now I'll start getting gimped versions of that too. Personally I don't see a reason to be excited about it, tbh.

For console-only owners it may seem a little more palatable, but half-gen upgrades have never worked out well because the market doesn't want them. I'll be curious to see Sony's market research to suggest it's a promising path to take. More than anything it sounds like it was pushed on the dev side of things, maybe they have lofty PS VR visions and don't want to still be dealing with the stock PS4 hardware 3+ years from now? Maybe they foresee 4K really taking off and this is their way of not sleeping in their laurels? Maybe devs expressed time and time again open disdain for console power that they found underwhelming? I don't know, but I'm having trouble believing a big chunk of PS4 owners are actively wanting to plop hundreds more for a marginally better product. People ready to drop that kind of cash on incrementally upgrading their hardware are already in the PC space. I have a gaming rig and I'm certainly not doing incremental upgrades on my consoles.

 

[Bgamer90]

Xbox Two or whatever the fuck they call it will be doing the exact same thing.

Whoa lol. -- And I would feel iffy about that too if (say) Gears 4 on Xbox One.5 looked a "whole gen better" than Gears 4 on the original Xbox One. Not sure why you brought up Xbox.

Not understanding the "iffy" feeling about it.

Don't see what's hard to understand about original console owners not being happy that the first current gen iterations of popular AAA games look "significantly" better on a system that's just suppose to be a ".5" step up.

 

[pelican]

2nd Gen VR games will run like butt on the OG PS4

I'm calling it now

Eve V is on the OP's list of games which would be improved under PS4K.

So, 1st gen games too.

 

[TM94]

 

[Nakazato]

Bought

 

[CosmicQueso]

I would laugh so hard if this was all just a April fools joke.