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[recklesscognition]

Waiting till they announce the PSVRNX4K

 

[adamantypants]

As a launch PS4 owner, I wanna see the receipts. If these games really are that much better, they'll have my money. But really...

lol

 

[Auctopus]

PS4K exclusives are going to start climbing out of the woodwork.

I don't think they'll announce this at E3. Cold reaction.

 

[bitbydeath]

games released after this new model is out will run like total garbage on the original.

*Garbage in comparison but still the same as they would run now.

 

[stan423321]

So, is Sony going to send me a complimentary 25th anniversary PS4K?

:/

Do you expect it to have white kanji meaning "Sony" on top of the shell?

 

[mckmas8808]

but hasn't it been proven that they were working on Move (and in wand form) back in the EyeToy days before Wii was even a thing? and working on VR shortly after the inception of Move, via 2 x Moves taped to the Sony HMD?

Yes!

 

[jmdajr]

So the future is basically gonna be like no price drops. Just same price but better. And they'll have the old shit for less until inventory runs out.

 

[Neuromancer]

Feeling really iffy about the "significant" line. God of War 4 on PS4K looking like a full gen leap above the game on the original PS4 would cause a lot of uproar from original PS4 owners.

A few improvements and more stability is fine, but anticipated games being made for the PS4K and then essentially down ported to PS4? Wasn't expecting that so soon (If true).

No one said a full gen leap. God of War 1 looked significantly better in 480p on the PS2 revision than it did on a regular PS2, but it didn't look like a generational leap better.

 

[KurtSloane]

This generation will be 3+ years old by the time this thing launches.

Exactly, I'm afraid a lot of people are going to have to get on-board with this new reality.

This is great news if true, no more 5 - 6 year wait on new hardware.

Every 3 years is perfect.

 

[Gold_Loot]

It's understandable that current owners are apprehensive about this news. But personally, I think it's a bit premature to assume that this automatically means that the base PS4 will become the poor man's edition of the platform. Depending on how this actually plays out, it could just as likely go the other way where early adopters of the 4K edition wind up looking like a bunch of rubes who are eager to jump on board the hype train to pay for overpriced new hardware that mostly goes ignored by devs. When assessing the long term impact of this kind of move, it could go well, it could go poorly, or it could just wind up being a pretty neutral thing wherein it's good for people who want the 4K features, but people who don't can still sleep well knowing that they don't really need to upgrade.

To sum that up in one sentence, I'm going to need some PS4 vs. PS4K comparisons of real software before I know how to react to this.

this may be true , but it would be nice if we can get an upgrade plugin for say, half the cost.I'm sure that would ease alot of minds. Will be interesting to see how they work this out.

 

[Tainted]

I would laugh so hard if this was all just a April fools joke.

Are you from the future ?

 

[Hedrush]

Now that I think about this more, I think I may just sell my PS4 and wait 3 or so more years, get a PS5.

Your going to sell your console and then wait for the PS5 to release? What you going to do in the meantime?

I'm all in for a new PS4, I'm happy with this news.

 

[TEH-CJ]

bunch of GoW related tweets happening over at https://twitter.com/nerd_leaks right now.

Is this hinting at...GOW1 remake for ps4??

and day 1 for the PS4K.

 

[UglyPony]

Just give me 1080p/60 fps. Dont need this 4k.

 

[jordan0386]

I need $250 credit for my PS4 from Best Buy and GameStop.

We've never had this before, we need a bridge.

 

[Pestilence11]

The reactions in this thread have been absolutely spectacular. The amount of emotional, irrational anger is something special. I understand a certain level of wariness to the approach, but the "Fuck you Sony" and "Sony is ruining consoles" stuff is amazing.

If we're going to pay $400 for small hardware upgrades vs huge upgrades in the past, it isn't irrational. Buy 4 iterations for the power increase of one!

 

[Thraktor]

Surely Nintendo will never release iterative hardware. I mean the New Nintendo 3DS and Gameboy Color never happened.

Yeah, Nintendo had some nerve releasing the Game Boy Color when the OG Game Boy had barely been on the market 9 years.

Seriously, though, as a PS4 owner this means two things to me:

1. I won't be buying PSVR. I probably wasn't going to anyway, but if the PS4 I own is only going to get maybe 1 year (or less) of PSVR titles designed for it then there's not much point. I'd be happier spending the almost €1000 it would cost to buy a PS4K and PSVR on upgrading my PC and buying a Rift CV1 instead.

2. No more buying third party titles on PS4. I buy most third party games on PC, but if I find a game for a decent price on PS4 I'm happy enough to go with that instead, unless it's a game with notorious performance issues. In a situation where games are developed for both PS4 and PS4K, you know that every screenshot, video, preview and review is going to be based off the PS4K version, so there's very little incentive for third-parties to properly optimise for PS4 anymore. I'd trust Sony to do a decent job with their in-house games, but this cuts down the expected use I'm going to get out of my PS4 by quite a bit.

 

[CSX]

alright Best Buy, Walmart, gamestop, etc

I am prepared for your bullshit trade in programs lol

 

[TheKastorian]

Have the PS4K at $399 with a $100 worth trade-in with the old PS4 and I'll buy it.

 

[213372bu]

I think I've made two posts, but yes, I did say insular in both because it's been a common theme in what I've read. I'm not telling people to simply accept ps4k as some great thing, what I am saying is that we've already seen market trends accept product shifts like this before, and eagerly. That's why I said insular, because of the assumption the market will abandon or crush this because they're not happy with the idea is silly. We've got market trends showing otherwise.

Sure, but as far as the apprehensive consumers, it's totally reasonable.

For example, for the past like two weeks we've seen PSVR on an international level get enough buy-in that sites sold out of multiple skus within the matter of minutes.

What faith is there to assume that a closed console VR experience for $500 won't have an extensive library unless they buy the new PS4K?

Regarding my comment on a new paradigm, that's what this is. All the console makers are looking at this, and it's possibly to be handled differently by each of them. Sony apparently intends to use the exact same architecture, with enhanced hardware, which remains to be seen how that will impact existing consumers. That's still a new paradigm, whether you're happy about it or not. I'm not dismissing anyone. Please read my posts more carefully if you're going to give me crap.

It would obviously be a new paradigm, but your previous post transitioned from criticizing the community as insular to directly talking about the romanticism of a new paradigm.

You don't see how that can be read as saying that as brushing off concerns for the possible idea of seeing a new market change?

 

[TheSpoiler]

It's understandable that current owners are apprehensive about this news. But personally, I think it's a bit premature to assume that this automatically means that the base PS4 will become the poor man's edition of the platform. Depending on how this actually plays out, it could just as likely go the other way where early adopters of the 4K edition wind up looking like a bunch of rubes who are eager to jump on board the hype train to pay for overpriced new hardware that mostly goes ignored by devs. When assessing the long term impact of this kind of move, it could go well, it could go poorly, or it could just wind up being a pretty neutral thing wherein it's good for people who want the 4K features, but people who don't can still sleep well knowing that they don't really need to upgrade.

To sum that up in one sentence, I'm going to need some PS4 vs. PS4K comparisons of real software before I know how to react to this.

Man, this is exactly what I wanted to say.

The New 3DS was an upgrade, but it only mattered for like four games. It'd be up to the developers on who wants to support this or not, and speaking from a mid tier perspective, I'm doubting many of them would want to shoehorn themselves towards a new version for a smaller base. And this difference in power would have to be substantial in the genres I like for it to matter.

Most Japanese games like Gundam Breaker and the like arrive at 60fps anyway.

 

[The Last One]

No way. It does not make any sense in this case.

Yep, if it's next year then no E3 announcement.

 

[ekim]

I'm with you. The Q1 date does not sound right to me. Especially to launch new hardware in, though I guess it could work if they are planning on coinciding with tax returns for potential upgrades?

Still that would hurt Holiday Q4 sales.

Something doesn't sound right there.

Maybe Q1 fiscal year? (If Sony or the company OP is working for)

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Either scenario is pretty shitty which is basically why I'm not excited about this at all.

Eh, that's the tightrope that companies have to walk with this kind of tech advancement. Other sectors have accepted this kind of iterative design in hardware, but it's never really caught on in consoles. How do you make the new product appealing without rendering the existing product obsolete when you still need that install base? In other sectors, I think the fear is mitigated simply because the evolution is constant. No matter when you buy, you know that something newer is right around the corner, and that's fine. But with consoles, there's always been this expectation that hardware is meant to last for the duration of a 5+ year lifespan. Peripherals that disrupt that rarely catch on.

But if both Sony and MS are doing something like this, I guess the times are changing.

 

[Mushroom021]

Did not expect 500 dollars... This is awful

 

[The Beard]

I don't even know what this means, but I agree.

 

[jmdajr]

Have the PS4K at $399 with a $100 worth trade-in with the old PS4 and I'll buy it.

and free 4k TV!

 

[Diffense]

Since I don't own a PS4 I'm kind of emotionally disconnected from this news. I think it's consistent with Sony's record of being rather technologically focused since PS2. The fact that they were more conservative with PS4's specs (compared to PS3) probably prompted them to plan an early update. If PS4K is coming as soon as speculated it had to have been planned some time ago.

I don't think the disgruntlement of current PS4 owners is entirely unjustified. In the current AAA game development world it can take 3+ years for a game to be made. So basically, after one wave, or generation, of games the console becomes obsolete? That really seems to diminish the value of investment in a console if owners will be pushed to upgrade so soon. I'm interested to see how the market will respond. Given the ridiculous sales performance of the PS4 so far, I'll refrain from making predictions.

 

[casual_gamer]

im tellin' ya. The PS4K is a decision made by sony as a whole to push 4k media that will benefit the entire company. This is not just a decision made by sony to have a more powerful video game console.

That is the point. $499 is a FANTASTIC price for a UHD player that plays games as well. $399 would be mind boggling. I'm stoked - all in

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

In the world where the PS4K does not exist:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU.

In the world where the PS4K exists:

Games are released for OG PS4, but they're highly downgraded versions of PC games, or if they're exclusives they're downgraded from the original assets / vision in order to optimise the game and get it to run on weak hardware with a poor CPU, and also you also have a '4k version' for the PS4k that gets closer to that original spec / PC version.

...so what's the problem here? If you're just a PS4 owner nothing has really changed for you. You're getting the same games.

If it turns out like this then it's fine.

In the end, PS4 games are mostly 1080/30 or 1080/60 anyway so I'll just stick with my PS4.

But given Xbox One games rarely hit 1080 let alone 60, then I see the upgraded Xbox as more worthwhile from that perspective.

 

[Goodacre0081]

I would laugh so hard if this was all just a April fools joke.

quite elaborate, seeing as it stretches back to when Phil Spencer talked about mid-gen improvements over a month ago.

 

[Art Vandilay]

I need $250 credit for my PS4 from Best Buy and GameStop.

We've never had this before, we need a bridge.

I highly doubt we'd see an offer that generous. I'm thinking $200 max, but even that is doubtful. Probably more like $150-$175.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

I'm all over this day one. OGPS4 will go in one of the bedrooms, and PS4k will go in the living room. This is great.

 

[davepoobond]

I think if they support each version for a minimum amount of time then improve the baseline to another model, it is reasonable. I'm thinking at least 6 years of base support then optional support moving forward.

They'll obviously have good stats on how many active ps4s exist in each generation.


Built in backwards compatibility through and through hopefully.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Oh I hear you I'm just saying its theoretically possible.

That said they won't be using 14nm architecture, of that I'm almost certain.

So what will it made on then? Can't be 28nm because the box size would need to double. I also didn't think 20nm was a thing?

 

[convo]

*Garbage in comparison but still the same as they would run now.

Who knows if they would run less like garbage if the higher version didn't exist? it's up to developers to be lazy and destroy everything.

 

[Boyzi]

Fuck this shit. i'm going to patiently wait for PS8.246, then fucking strut my shit like some rabid peacock

 

[Abilidebob]

It was also made very clear that current games would not be getting any type of performance upgrades by being played on the system and any benefits to older games would come via patch per game and per developer.

That's what I don't get.
You mean that if I buy this PS4K and pop Bloodborne in, the game will still have the frame-drops and others?

 

[jony_m]

I get that Sony wants to push 4K, but unless they convince cable/satellite/network TV stations to upgrade as well, it will never be anywhere near as popular as they hope.

The only way 4K gets penetration into a majority of homes is when EVERY TV on the market is 4K.

Sony is launching a 4K movie streaming service called Ultra in April.

TV is a different beast but they do have their own TV studio (Sony Pictures) and TV service (PS Vue) and could in fact start producing 4K TV shows and make them available exclusively on Vue + PS4K or that new Bravia 4K you just bough on Black Friday 2016

 

[qa_engineer]

AMD Radeon7970 or R280X
Nvidia GTX680.

Don't compare AMD FLOPS directly to Nvidia's. Some people comparing 2X PS4 to GTX970, which is not even remotely true.

If its any of those chips, which are based on 28nm parts, then the console is going to melt (assuming its the same size and form factor as current PS4). I am willing to bet they are using 14nm parts which would put it in the 480, 480x, or 490 territory.

 

[NESpowerhouse]

They fucking better have some kind of trade in program. I literally just bought my PS4 a few months ago.

 

[FunkyDealer]

It's understandable that current owners are apprehensive about this news. But personally, I think it's a bit premature to assume that this automatically means that the base PS4 will become the poor man's edition of the platform. Depending on how this actually plays out, it could just as likely go the other way where early adopters of the 4K edition wind up looking like a bunch of rubes who are eager to jump on board the hype train to pay for overpriced new hardware that mostly goes ignored by devs. When assessing the long term impact of this kind of move, it could go well, it could go poorly, or it could just wind up being a pretty neutral thing wherein it's good for people who want the 4K features, but people who don't can still sleep well knowing that they don't really need to upgrade.

To sum that up in one sentence, I'm going to need some PS4 vs. PS4K comparisons of real software before I know how to react to this.

Good point. We could be looking at another New 3DS.

I kind of hope it fails, so that we can continue with 5-7 year cycles. I don't know if I could be excited for new consoles if I know there's gonna be yet another replacement just a couple years later.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I highly doubt we'd see an offer that generous. I'm thinking $200 max, but even that is doubtful. Probably more like $150-$175.

You can get 200 at gamestop right now for a PS4.

 

[bitbydeath]

Is this hinting at...GOW1 remake for ps4??

and day 1 for the PS4K.

I'd be down for that, reboot and release alongside movies.

 

[Qurupeke]

I can't wait till Q1 2017... I just want to buy a PS4 in order to play games and I want to be sure all of my purchases will run perfectly on it. I don't care if they optimize games for PS4K, as long as this doesn't mean the regular PS4 games will run awfully.

 

[butman]

If this shit is real how do you think that the crowd at the E3 gonna react when Shu shows that the PS4K is a fact?

A.

B.

 

[KennyLinder]

We need a new video!

 

[blastprocessor]

Based on OP, PSVR will benefit from the hardware boost, but VR won't be included in the box. The biggest thing we can hope for is that the processing unit currently in the breakout box can be included in the PS4k shell, though that won't really decrease the VR footprint.

Sorry that's what l meant, that breakout box.

 

[Netherscourge]

Keep in mind that in order to max out your $499 PS4K, you'd likely have to buy a $800 4K TV to go with it.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

God help us. This is such horseshit. Looks like I'll just wait till the end of Gens and buy up the exclusives I missed out on for cheap and just stick to PC gaming for everything else. Might even cancel my PSVR preorder as well. I don't like this at all.