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[Xpliskin]

The more I think about it.


Why would they launch a PSVR pack in October ?

Then launch an upgraded console Q1 2017.


Catastrophic planning.

They're clearly focusing on VR.


Someone tweet yosp and Adam Boyes

 

[woen]

For the sake of everything that is holy, STOP comparing this to iPhones.

Phones are for calling and texting and going on the internet. They are not made for resource intensive applications, the features are just there : features. They are an accessory to the more core usage.

Here we are talking about a completely different piece of equipment. You buy it with the promise that for the next N years, devs will do their best to optimise their games on his machine (because they have no choice, the hardware is fixed and the consumer doesn't have a choice). There is no such promise that comes when buying an iPhone. You buy it to make phone calls, send textsn browsing the web and playing with some apps. They don't promise you anything about the future apps because they are not the main point.

And with a PS4.5, that promise is violated.

Thank you.

This is a promise made to the devs too (look at GDC talks about PSVR for recent example)

 

[TyrantII]

I thought all of the bad PS3 era decision making went out the window in February 2013. Why introduce this 18 - 20 months before PS4 hits the five year mark? Might as well wait until the next system to fully integrate VR. Dumb as hell.

The competition. VR is coming this fall, and Sony was in a terrible position if they wanted to be a market leader in this new gaming tech.

This is risky, but they're deeming it nessesary. That much I get.

 

[Red Devil]

So this is it I guess. I wonder if they'll mention anything at all next E3.

Sure, but why Hyrule Warriors Legends? Wouldn't it be more suitable with Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas?

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Welcome to the PC lifecycle console plebs

No this is welcome to how the rest of products are in the world .
Even more so when it comes to tech .
Name one tech product that takes 5 to 6 years to upgrade .

 

[wildfire]

I'm generally in favor of the faster hardware revision but I never expected it to be that big of an upgrade. If this rumor pans out I'll feel sorry for those who relied so much on the previous way consoles were sold. The value proposition of their purchases was harmed much more than I thought Sony would take this.

 

[David Ricardo]

For the sake of everything that is holy, STOP comparing this to iPhones.

Phones are for calling and texting and going on the internet. They are not made for resource intensive applications, the features are just there : features. They are an accessory to the more core usage.

Here we are talking about a completely different piece of equipment. You buy it with the promise that for the next N years, devs will do their best to optimise their games on his machine (because they have no choice, the hardware is fixed and the consumer doesn't have a choice). There is no such promise that comes when buying an iPhone. You buy it to make phone calls, send textsn browsing the web and playing with some apps. They don't promise you anything about the future apps because they are not the main point.

And with a PS4.5, that promise is violated.

I couldn't agree more.

This comparisons with phones, cars and TVs are fallacious and have to stop.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Does it matter? How is it any different to PC being the lead platform for a lot of AAA games this generation?



Like I said earlier, drama queens. It's insane. The MO for GAF during these PS4k threads seems to be outrage first, logic never.

Its going to be funny as hell if this winds up fucking over everyone in the long run because as of right now everyone not for it seems to be all kinds of things from people like yours perspective Either way this will be a fun thread to look back on.

 

[taoofjord]

I'm totally cool with this as long as the gains the new model gets are in resolution, framerate, and relatively minor graphical enhancements (texture quality high => ultra, post processing high => ultra, etc).

If the games made with the PS4K in mind look broken/weird instead of just being at a lower quality setting then this is a seriously bad move.

The idea of playing Uncharted 4 or Bloodborne at 1080p/60fps is pretty fantastic though. So here's hoping!

 

[family_guy]

sony doesn't make money on hardware (or not much money on hardware). they make money on subscriptions and software. so if you are so put off on this that you jump to a competing platform like pc instead of upgrading to ps4k, then they get none of your money going forward.

Since so many more people went digital this gen, I doubt they'd jump ship. Then you get into exclusives they'd be missing out on and that makes it even less likely. Right now I see a bunch of emotional reactions that will die down by the time this thing is released. I have a GTX970 and a PS4, but I spend much more time with the PS4. Being able to jump from game to game, game to app like Netflix/Youtube, to Bluray movie, and to television on PSVue, is an experience that can't be replicated by PC. If all people want to do is launch a game and not play any console exclusive then they should have bought gaming PCs a long time ago.

 

[stan423321]

For the sake of everything that is holy, STOP comparing this to iPhones.

Phones are for calling and texting and going on the internet. They are not made for resource intensive applications, the features are just there : features. They are an accessory to the more core usage.

Here we are talking about a completely different piece of equipment. You buy it with the promise that for the next N years, devs will do their best to optimise their games on his machine (because they have no choice, the hardware is fixed and the consumer doesn't have a choice). There is no such promise that comes when buying an iPhone. You buy it to make phone calls, send textsn browsing the web and playing with some apps. They don't promise you anything about the future apps because they are not the main point.

And with a PS4.5, that promise is violated.

This point is pretty simply not true for everybody. If you primarily want to text and call, you buy a dumbphone and save yourself a lot of money. You buy a smartphone as a prestige symbol (which BTW means you're dumb), or for apps. That's how it works around here at least. Heck, some people have dumbphones for text and calling and a separate smartphone for the rest of things.

 

[Silent Hill]

What current AMD card is 2x GPU power in the current PS4's APU?

I think the current is around a 7870? So maybe the PS4.5 would be 280/X?

 

[Stike]

Well, I still have some time left to cancel my PSVR preorder...

Idiots.

 

[plainr_]

I hope they look the same to make it easy for a sneaky upgrade.

I hope they drop the trapezoid shape and mold it exactly like the PS2. I'm willing to bet some naysayers will give in.

 

[Lime]

Personally, it's more of a disappointment that Sony wastes talent and money on yet another boring God of War. Their AAA portfolio this generation has been such a sequel bore without any fresh ideas (Killzone, Infamous, Knack, Uncharted, Little Big Planet). Tearaway, Bloodborne, Dreams,and Until Dawn have been the only new IP that aren't a continuation of an overly retreaded game series that doesn't have enough mass appeal to justify a AAA budget and studio talent.

imo of course

 

[The God]

where? Just because developers will develop game for PS4K, it does not mean that they will shaft PS4... he was right, it is quite likely that PS4 will keep being the main target for years to come since most of the userbase buying games will be on PS4. Plus, since PS4K is more powerful, it is easier to develop for and needs much less work - which means that in the end PS4K users end up being shafted.

We were also given a list of games that will be available at launch that will directly take advantage of the PS4K where the differences are and I will quote him "Significant."

.

 

[UrbanRats]

Having to sell my ps4 after having enjoyed basically one game on it (Bloodborne) is depressing.

But if the 4K can push 60fps in more games, i'll probably have to bite.

 

[spwolf]

I think no one at the moment has any way of realistic estimation of overall behavior of developers and publishers, especially since many of use focus on different niches within the medium.

I wouldn't rule out that an AAA game happens that is 720p20Hz on OPS4 and 900p30Hz on NPS4. Say, Battlefront 4(k).

huh?

If you believe nonsense like that, you can surely believe that Sony might brick all PS4 in the world, tomorrow. I think no one at the moment has any way of realistic estimation of it not happening.

 

[jeffram]

Shorter console life cycles with longer development time for AAA titles... yeah this makes so much sense.

I think this will allow for longer life cycles. Backwards/forwards compatibility will keep the PS4 relevant and sellable for longer. PS5 doesn't need to come as quickly now.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Sony have realised the PS4 isn't powerful enough for an acceptable baseline for PSVR, so you make the PS4K and hey presto, now you have a console that is powerful enough.

Except they've marketed PSVR for the PS4 and given gamers the impression a PS4 will do. Seems kinda shitty to get people excited and preorder one and then later on pull the rug from under them saying you have the wrong console.

 

[Duxxy3]

So... what if Microsoft doesn't release an XB1.5?

Would make things interesting.

 

[BleedOrange]

But is there any point?

Its like people suddenly started disliking games because some piece of hardware somewhere else may play those games marginally better. Unreal.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I do like this

MONEY! Exactly what I wanted it to be like.

 

[LoveCake]

That doesn't make much sense. They've already shown what PSVR can do on PS4. At least they're making it "forward compatible" with PS4K with an upgrade in visuals/FPS.

Yes but people have spent £300 in the last three years on a PS4 then another £350 on PS:VR & now to get an even better PS:VR spend another £350/£400 on a PS4k.

No wonder people were saying that Sony announcing the price of PS:VR at £350 seemed cheap compared to Oculus & Vive, now we know why, because to get the best it's going to cost £700 & even more if you already had/have a PS4.

 

[geordiemp]

this is bad for early adopters

I bought day 1 2 x Ps4, one of them is like a hoover and gets too hot.

After 3 years come this Xmas, the hoover one I really could do with replacing - cue Ps4k.

Perfect timing.

 

[Pop]

This is good for the 1%.

Most aren't going out and buying a 4k display. As long as games play like they are now on the ps4, then I'm good.

 

[SolidSnakex]

A new God of War title Appears on Veteran Character Animator’s CV

What caught my attention:

Looking at these creatures the new project could be one of this option (in order of probability according to us):

- God of War Reboot/Remake
- God of War Spin Off
- God of War I Remastered or Collection (4K)
- God of War sequel with new protagonist and another Hydra

It wouldn't make sense for it to have anything to do with a remaster. Those creatures have already been animated and it's just about increasing the resolution. So he's referring to something completely new.

 

[stan423321]

Sure, but why Hyrule Warriors Legends? Wouldn't it be more suitable with Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas?

HWL is a recent case of outrage for O3DS owners because KT made it behave like in the "darkest timeline PS4k scenario", compared to rather mild but understandable earlier NN3DS output. It basically sells itself entirely on NN3DS footage too.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Yep, I'm in the same boat as you. Affording this is no problem for me. Affording a PSVR, an NX, a PS4.5 and a Xbox One.5 is no problem. I'm worried more about the ramification this will have on the console industry moving forward. It affects devs, consumers may balk at the notion, there's so many things that could happen. It's a very risky move and not one guaranteed to make things better.

This can make things better if the user base does not have to started back at zero every 5 years at least for pubs .
Still there is a lot more info we need to see before how we know this goes.

 

[Via Purifico]

Wow this is horrible. People who bought the ps4 this year might as well start returning it.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

I just bought my PS4 barely 4 months ago....

 

[F4r0_Atak]

This so much.

Sony better have a really good sales pitch. A transparent and honest one too.

This.

 

[zewone]

So... what if Microsoft doesn't release an XB1.5?

Would make things interesting.

XB1 is already struggling to visually compare to the PS4.

4K vs XB1 face offs will be embarrassing.

 

[Waldo Lydecker]

I am on #TeamApril1st

 

[spwolf]

.

you are not reading it right. 2x more powerful hardware should have significantly better looking game. Whats the problem?

You are trying to say that it means that developers will stop working on PS4 games as priority and just release crap while PS4k is the one that will get all of their attention... that just does not make any sense at all.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Its going to be funny as hell if this winds up fucking over everyone in the long run because as of right now everyone not for it seems to be all kinds of things from people like yours perspective Either way this will be a fun thread to look back on.

I'm not pro-PS4K though. It's certainly not something I've been hoping for and I don't even know if I'll buy one, but I think this is an interesting development. The console business model is nigh on 3 decades old at this point, and given the change in landscape, I guess it was about time a shake up happened. Just didn't expect it to happen so soon.

I can understand people are shocked by it, but 720p 20fps games on PS4 and mass market outrage isn't going to happen, now matter how much a few members of gaf shout it from the rooftops. The next year or so are going to be something to behold.

 

[TyrantII]

I couldn't agree more.

This comparisons with phones, cars and TVs are fallacious and have to stop.

Throw in the every game will be 1080P60 or 4K crowd too.

It amazes me that people that put in the effort to join a hobby and industry board like this continually have no clue about the hardware and buissiness limitations of their hobby.

No facts, only consume.

 

[dead monkey uk]

Sure it will, it will just be 900p and 30fps locked. PS4k will be 1080p/60fps with better shadows and image quality. 900p has proven to be a good step down for gaining performance and I don't see that changing. It is like many PC games, people drop resolution to gain performance (in addition to other settings). I really don't think Sony would be stupid enough to make PS4 versions of games run like complete shit, they will probably dictate a baseline like 900p depending on the game.

If we take one of the recent good looking games like The Division, on the PS4k it would be 1080p/60fps with better shadows and AA Solutions/relfections etc. while the current PS4 version runs at 1080p/30fps. It will vary on game, but I think Sony will be smart and mandate a baseline for the PS4 version of games.

Agree with you, this is what I think the plan is. I think the 4K will not be used for gaiming, except maybe some indie games. Resogun in 4K would be great.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

So... what if Microsoft doesn't release an XB1.5?

Would make things interesting.

Then they are the heroes of E3 just like Sony was in 2013. "Hey you guys know that stupid thing that the other console is doing? We aren't doing that".

*crowd goes wild*.

 

[bitbydeath]

This is about spot on with the video from "The Know".

The Know redeemed!

 

[MakeMeFeelAlive]

This seems like a risky move. Yes, a lot of Sony fans will jump on it but you are opening the door to switch to another console. Also, I think this may hurt down the road. How many people will not buy a launch ps5 thinking that there will be an updated ps5 down the road. Obviously we need more information, but Sony may be playing a dangerous game

 

[KillGore]

Question, can't they make it like PC where you can run the same game on different settings? For example, running God of War 4 on PS4K at "ultra settings" and when running on PS4, the game runs at "Normal Settings"?

 

[sphinx]

So... what if Microsoft doesn't release an XB1.5?

Would make things interesting.

and if NX's power is on par with PS4K, then the XB1 is left alone in the console war :O

 

[MrHoot]

Does it matter? How is it any different to PC being the lead platform for a lot of AAA games this generation?



Like I said earlier, drama queens. It's insane. The MO for GAF during these PS4k threads seems to be outrage first, logic never.

Because PC is much more modular at least in it's options (allowing you to tailor your options), has a slew of advantages that the ps4 does not possess anymore (free online, a way bigger library at this point). And if the price point of that ps4k is accurate, honestly upgrading a PC has now become cheaper.

And yeah, thanks to the 30+ million of ps4 users who will now get shafted. It says right in the OP that games with ps4k as the lead platform will likely run like shit on the ps4 (and looking at how optimized some games are for it now, do imagine how it's gonna be when the ps4 will be ditched as lead platform, oh boy)

People supporting this going "B-BUT PC" conveniently ignore at least all the other advantages that go with PC. Here it's nothing but shite. And if you're not getting how bad this is for average consumers. It only benefits a small super-rich percentage at the detriment of everybody else

I can understand people are shocked by it, but 720p 20fps games on PS4 and mass market outrage isn't going to happen, now matter how much a few members of gaf shout it from the rooftops. The next year or so are going to be something to behold

Wanna bet on that ? Cuz I would take a bet considering how shitty optimization still is on one lead platform which can barely get 1080p and 30 fps at the same time

 

[rokkerkory]

So PS3 games at native 4k?

 

[thuway]

Guys the OP said a GPU that is 2X as a PS4

WITH A HIGHER Clockrate.

That means it could be 2.5-3X more powerful?

 

[alouette]

I think, there will appear a youtube video soon, where some guy explains, how he made the gamers go crazy with a hoax...not?

 

[RiggyRob]

Except they've marketed PSVR for the PS4 and given gamers the impression a PS4 will do. Seems kinda shitty to get people excited and preorder one and then later on pull the rug from under them saying you have the wrong console.

I have no doubt that the PS4 will 'do' for PSVR, but then you can play certain games at 20fps too.

I have the feeling that PS4 just isn't enough for what Sony want to achieve with PSVR, hence PS4K.

 

[FATALITY]

Wow this is horrible. People who bought the ps4 this year might as well start returning it.

lol

 

[Raylan]

If they actually do this..... and won't use a much more powerful CPU.... LOL

I'm mean, seriously Sony, demand $50-70 more and put a good CPU in it ASAP!