PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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Negotiator
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Wait, Jaguar is a bottleneck because it's not a flops/SIMD-centric processor like Cell (SPUs) was?
GPGPU is the evolution of Cell SPUs. We don't need CPUs to do these kinds of tasks (parallel number crunching).
I guess I can see the case for this when we have a fair amount of multi-platform games struggling by on current gen, but it is aggravating to know I would have to spend another $400-500 to be up-to-date with console hardware.
On the upside, I've got a large enough backlog to last me more than enough time until these new systems drop in price.
On the upside, I've got a large enough backlog to last me more than enough time until these new systems drop in price.
The R9 290 is also a massive, 512-bit GPU. You gonna cram one of those into an APU as well? It also barely hits a 30fps average in a lot of games, many it falls below. Crysis 3 = 21fps average.
Details matter. Again, 4K expectations = nuts
......fuck. Well, I guess I'll be canceling that prebook on the PSVR bundle and putting it towards PS4K. :/
Wasn't gonna budge unless certain games were exclusive to it, now that we have a potential confirmation that's the case, and GoW 4 at that, I have no choice.
Not really happy about this.
Wasn't gonna budge unless certain games were exclusive to it, now that we have a potential confirmation that's the case, and GoW 4 at that, I have no choice.
Not really happy about this.
I keep thinking how are they going to announce and do the marketing for this.
If they announce at E3 and it launches on Q1 2017 it will hurt PS4 OG Sales.
If they show how enhaced the 4k editions will be they hurt PS4 hard n soft sales. If they dont people will see no reason to upgrade and/or buy the 4k instead of the OG.
I believe if they cant be clear in their message things can go so wrong they can destroy the whole work they made to make PS4 a "beast".
I ll go further if this go wrong I can see all consoles and AAA productions going into dark times very fast.
If they announce at E3 and it launches on Q1 2017 it will hurt PS4 OG Sales.
If they show how enhaced the 4k editions will be they hurt PS4 hard n soft sales. If they dont people will see no reason to upgrade and/or buy the 4k instead of the OG.
I believe if they cant be clear in their message things can go so wrong they can destroy the whole work they made to make PS4 a "beast".
I ll go further if this go wrong I can see all consoles and AAA productions going into dark times very fast.
Check the return policies with the store. At worst you could ask for a full store credit on one of their gift card or whatever, then use that credit when PS4K goes on pre-order.
DancingNalwood
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If done correctly I could get behind it. Just make it so all games can be played on the original too, to an acceptable level. GOW4 just looks better on the 4k. GT sport is playable on both, but if you want it in vr you need the 4k. Leave it up to the consumer if they want to pay for that little extra power. Then in another 3 years we get ps5. It'll just replace the slim models we usually get.
My biggest worry is devs not having time to learn the hardware. I love seeing what the wizards like ND can do given time with set hardware. And a trade in policy would soften the blow.
My biggest worry is devs not having time to learn the hardware. I love seeing what the wizards like ND can do given time with set hardware. And a trade in policy would soften the blow.
ArkhamFantasy
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8 Jaguar cores -> 8-12 Zen cores should do it, no? It's a pretty big IPC increase...
SolidSnakex
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EatinOlives
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Because optimization doesn't magically happen. A game developer can focus on optimizing for one platform or another, but if they want to do both at the same time it's going to take even more resources.
The likelier scenario is that if the PS4K is successful enough, that the "regular" version will be on PS4K and a severely gimped down-port will be on PS4. Think Hyrule Warriors Legends 3DS vs Hyrule Warriors Legends new 3DS.
This won't happen for the most part. The majority of AAA devs are all about them shiny graphics, and every time they will sacrifice performance for better graphics, especially when they will tout out that new graphical shinyness on their marketing materials.
geordiemp
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Running on 1/16 th of the memory on hardware that is something like 10-20 % of the power.
Lets not also factor in the fact that Ps4 and Xb1 are X86 and easy to develop for, old gen not so much.
But also most of the sales are on current gen, last gen is a small percentage now.
In 2017, the OG Ps4 with 50 million owners will still be the vast majority, so lets face it, Vanilla Xb1 and Ps4 will get most focus from software easily in 2017.
So it's ok for Microsoft but bad for Sony?
PuppetMaster
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Didn't your idol Phil Spencer tell you people, who wish ill on the competition are not real gamers?
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-vs-ps4-youre-not-a-real-gamer-if-you-root/1100-6435243/
Metalingus5150
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Naughty Dog may have the luxury to get 60fps if PS4K is really powerful.
But other developers will want to have Uncharted 4's IQ, and getting a stable 60fps won't help them achieve that.
RoyalLaFlame
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I really hope you're joking.what i take from this thread is "if i cant have it you also cant"
I am even afrait it will make some of them even lazier.
Not if they announce some kind of official price drop due for fall. A bit before the PSVR release...
The DS4 is my favorite controller ever made (although I haven't used an xbone elite yet)
And they aren't. 14nm is making this possible, for Sony and whoever wants to build a game console. If there was ever a time for a disruptive competitor to come into the market it would be right now with a 2x more powerful system in the same price range that's easy to port to.
If these machines plan on launching in the same time frame with a similar thermal limit, neither one will be 10-15% percent more poewrful than each other, and the differences would be much smaller than PS4/XB1.
texhnolyze
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People suddenly glamouring 60fps.
What happened to the '30fps is fine, 60fps is too gamey' folks?
What happened to the '30fps is fine, 60fps is too gamey' folks?
Marty Chinn
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Hah, I was just about to quote myself before you did it for me =)
Swass
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Phil Spencer already hinted at Microsoft going this route.. but I wonder if that was just reactionary because they caught wind of the Sony PS4K?
Negotiator
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Yes, but Uncharted 4 IQ is already too high. Why do we need more than that? I think it's plenty enough for bullshots.
i'm guessing most games will work on both PS4s. but as the gen grinds on you'll see the old PS4 getting phased out as PS4K exclusives trickle in.
way i see it this thing is essentially PS5, they're just trying to straddle "cross gen" a little longer this time.
ArkhamFantasy
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I get less optimization out of the console that i bought.
Tainted
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Nothing will change in this regard. They will just show games off in the best possible way and only closer to release or at release will you see the differences when people get a hold of them.
How about posting an actual example of someone who's said both things rather than just acting like it's the same people. GAF is not a hivemind.
Easy enough
Announce the PS4K at a high price. $399-499
Announce PS4 Slim with a big price cut. $249-299
Different customers.
The Last One
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Those are the same people?
"significant sacrifices to performance" is incredibly foreboding and was exactly what I was hoping not to see. THe idea that this would make the PS4 second class and offer exclusive content/experiences is precisely what I did NOT want to see. Whelp. This seems like such a fucking horrible idea especially given the launch of the PSVR platform mere months earlier. Not a fan of this and what it means for the console ecosystem going forward AT ALL.
Hero_of_the_Day
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It's fucking crazy that this generation started with so much uncertainty in the market, and now confidence has swung so hard the other way that console makers think people will be in for phone-like iterations like this so soon. I'm curious to see how this goes, that's for sure.
i work retail and i can tell you that this new ps4k will only sell to people who want PSVR, 4k media, or hardcore gamers who want the best. Other than that i dont see parents buying a $499 ps4k over a $299 ps4. They're going to think hmmm our son doesnt have that $499 psvr or a 4k tv so theres so reason to get the $499 ps4 if hes not going to benefit from it. I think its great that the people who want the absolute best gaming experience can pay the extra to get it and people who just want to game in general at a good price can get it as well and buying the same ps4 disc will work on both consoles. im giving sony an A+ for this move
CrispyBoar
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At first, I was planning on buying a PS4 this year, but now with this news...I may be holding out for the 4K PS4 instead if this is really true.
I just hope that all of the games that have been released on PS4 so far will work on this new model.
I just hope that all of the games that have been released on PS4 so far will work on this new model.
FeenixRising
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Let me get this straight.
You're mad at Sony for doing this.
But yet you want Microsoft to do the same thing to spite Sony for doing this?
Not seeing that happening. I believe MS will try to aim to be the cheaper option for the average consumer with those new systems.
THE:MILKMAN
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I would like to think this but those with more knowledge have suggested it wouldn't really be possible to do 14nm @ ~1 million units a month plus it would be very expensive.
If the release is March 2017 then they would need to ramp up production this year.
geordiemp
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Steady 30 FPS is fine, but 60 FPS is nicer to have. Us console peasants want nice things too.
Why would they expect to sell 12 million Ps4k a year if its the up market model ? Surely people will still buy Ps4 and maybe 10-20 % will go for the 4K model.
Remember this is an enthusiast model.
isnt the same with pc. or do you play the division 60fps on your ps4?
you will get the game that would suppose to get even if the ps4k didnt exist.
you know im right.
Necro900
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So devs have the devkits already but they still don't know which CPU to put in?
Games developed around the newest machine? a home version of the new-3DS shitfest?
And all this to allow people to play on their (outrageously laggy for gaming, unless you have the top of line) 4k Tvs?
#teamfake. And if true, I will say goodbye to sony as I did with this gen's N handhelds. There's no way such shady practices should be encouraged.
Anyway, all this could as well be a well-built clickbait story feeding off the negative response it generates, and news outlets just started copying each other or "independently" confirming things here and there.
Games developed around the newest machine? a home version of the new-3DS shitfest?
And all this to allow people to play on their (outrageously laggy for gaming, unless you have the top of line) 4k Tvs?
#teamfake. And if true, I will say goodbye to sony as I did with this gen's N handhelds. There's no way such shady practices should be encouraged.
Anyway, all this could as well be a well-built clickbait story feeding off the negative response it generates, and news outlets just started copying each other or "independently" confirming things here and there.