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[SolidusDave]

Yes I do care about my job and I generally do the firing =) . To clear up a few things though he did not make it sound like all games would be native 4k just that they would be scaled to 4k and we do have a tentative placeholder date for late Q1 next year.

Tried to keep my personal thoughts out of this thread but I really believe this move is all about the PSVR trying to look a bit better when compared to its direct competition.

Now I'm afraid that especially PSVR will suck on PS4. Not to mention PS4K exclusive VR modes or something. I was so hyped for it but if I have to spend another 400-500 to get the "full" experience.. nah fuck off.

Do we know if the PSVR show demos run on standard PS4s or if that were beefed up dev models?


Q1 2017 though haha, I'm pissed now and irrationally hope this news will spread to completely tank their PS4 sells for a year.
No one asked for this.

 

[Marty Chinn]

You yourself gave the reason why this won't happen.

There's two different models being discussed here though and they have different impacts on how things play out. The first is a two target generation before a new generation hits, which is where the concern that some games, not all games, some games start to get the shaft on the PS4 in favor of the PS4K. This may not happen early on but that doesn't mean it won't happen later on.

The second is an iterative model where generations no longer exist, and this still could happen as maybe the target developers decide on is the PS4K while the PS5 is out and then the PS4 being the oldest gets the shaft. Remember with iPhones, the iPhone 5 isn't the first model. There's still an iPhone 4S, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3 and iPhone model that came before it.

Either way, there are multiple business models that can take place and each have their different outcomes. At this point, we don't know which one of these business models is going to take place because we don't have enough information. Having a generation is less damaging than an iterative business model IMO.

 

[muggen76]

If this shit is true I'll go right the fuck back to Xbox one. Pathetic Sony.

I think that Microsoft most certainly will counter this with something similar, also they need it more. So in all, this will start a bad trend.

 

[Magusx]

I feel like the PS4.5 should have been the PS4.
The PS4 is really weak system imo.

 

[GHG]

Now I'm upset again. The one time I early adopt, I get fucked. Sony better have some amazing sales pitch/trade in or this will not go over well.

I don't understand how you got fucked?

If you bought the console at launch you will have had 3 years of use with the most console on the market. Once the PS4K launches your old ps4 won't suddenly stop working. Time doesn't undo itself and make it so that you haven't had the ps4 for the last 3 years.

Future games will still be coming out as normal on the ps4 in 1080p at 30/60 fps in superior quality to the Xbox One. The original version of the ps4 will continue to be sold and will most likely continue to be the best selling SKU.

So tell me again, how are you being fucked?

 

[Maintenance]

Now I'm afraid that especially PSVR will suck on PS4. Not to mention PS4K exclusive VR modes or something. I was so hyped for it but if I have to spend another 400-500 to get the "full" experience.. nah fuck off.

Can't believe they said this with a straight face.

 

[Silent-blades]

I think that Microsoft most certainly will counter this with something similar, also they need it more. So in all, this will start a bad trend.

Then maybe it's time to say F it and join the master race of PC gaming. I havnt had a gaming rig in Years!! Hell I don't even know where to start 😞.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

Smell the air boys.

That's the smell of planned obsolescence.

It's on overdrive. You're in it.

That PS4 you got? I see you on craigslist. Don't put $1.

 

[phant0m]

$399/499 is a bad play. Needs to be $349 and discontinue the old SKU, just like PS2/3 revisions.

 

[HowZatOZ]

Wouldn't it be smarter to focus on getting games to 60fps instead of 4k which hasn't taken on the adoption rate that HD tv's have? At least I'd prefer 1080p 60fps then hoping the next God of War can run 4k 30fps.

 

[Moneal]

I think that Microsoft most certainly will counter this with something similar, also they need it more. So in all, this will start a bad trend.

They were the first to mention the idea http://www.cnet.com/news/possible-xbox-one-hardware-upgrade-in-the-pipeline-says-phil-spencer/ this article is from march 1st.

 

[nib95]

If this shit is true I'll go right the fuck back to Xbox one. Pathetic Sony.

You realise that the standard PS4 will still always have superior versions of games compared to the Xbox One right? If you're worried about PS4 games suffering in performance because of the PS4K, it's only going to be worse for the Xbox One, at least with multi platform games anyway.

 

[Maintenance]

You realise that the standard PS4 will still always have superior versions of games compared to the Xbox One right? If you're worried about PS4 games suffering in performance because of the PS4K, it's only going to be worse for the Xbox One.

Not really, I could see MS getting a better machine in the future. Not X1.5, but maybe X2.0 or X2.5.

The Xbox One will be always slower, that's for sure. But the One and a half & cia still have a chance.

 

[doorframe]

Not sure what to make of this, with how powerful it sounds, it's basically a PS5. Then there is also PS VR lurking about.

 

[Marty Chinn]

And that has not change the only difference now is a consoler gamers have chance at better looking games before PS5 comes out .
Plus we all know as the gen goes on devs push more and more and that is how we keep on getting worst games tech wise near the end of the life cycles .

You're assuming we still have a generation though. We don't know that we do anymore. These are all unanswered questions and uncertainties that have been introduced with this move and the lack of information that we have.

What?

These things aren't going to remain static. Developers are going to target where the active user base is. Now the PS4 has a huge base and the PS4K has 0 users. When it's released, it will gain some users. If Sony drops the PS4 at some point and only sells the PS4K then the PS4 user base will stop growing and only the PS4K user base will be the one growing. At some point the scales can tip where the PS4K has more active users than the PS4. There should be no assumption that should be made that the PS4 is going to be the focal point over the PS4K.

 

[GHG]

It seems these people insist on getting the best thing in life, to the point where they will rather things not get improved until they can afford it.

"But my ps4 will be playing second fiddle!!"

Fixed.

 

[AmyS]

Honestly, I think this gives Nintendo a real chance to get back in the race. If they can release at a comparable price point, and be as powerful as the 4K consoles, I will just buy an NX instead of having a second PS4.

The most likely way that might happen would be via the SCD.

Abstract

Supplemental computing devices that provide processing and/or storage resources to game consoles to assist these game consoles in executing a game. In some instances, a game console locally executes a copy of a game using resources of the game console. In addition, however, the game console may couple to a supplemental computing device that includes resources that the game console may also utilize to increase the speed or quality of a user's gaming experience. For instance, the supplemental computing device may couple via a physical connection (e.g., a wired connection) to the game console for processing data associated with the game and providing a result back to the console, and/or for storing game data on behalf of the game console.

Claims

1. A gaming system, comprising: a game console comprising one or more processors configured to locally execute a game and provide video output of the game to a display and audio output of the game to a speaker, the game console including a physical network interface and a wireless communication interface; and a supplemental computing device configured to detachably couple to the game console via the physical communication interface, the supplemental computing device comprising: one or more processors configured to provide, over the physical communication interface, processing resources to the game console to assist the game console in locally executing the game; and memory for receiving data associated with the game from the game console and storing the data for later access by the game console wherein the game console is further configured to couple, via the wireless communication interface, to another supplemental computing device, the another supplemental computing device including one or more processors to provide processing resources to the game console and memory for providing storage resources to the game console.

6. An apparatus comprising: a housing; an interface for coupling the apparatus with a game console; one or more processors residing within the housing; and logic residing within the housing and configured to cause the one or more processors to perform acts comprising: receiving, while the apparatus is coupled to the game console via the interface and while the game console is executing a game, a first request from the game console to process first data associated with the game; processing, at least partly in response to the first request, the first data to create a result; providing the result back to the game console; receiving, while the apparatus is coupled to the game console via the interface and while the game console is executing the game, a second request from the game console to store second data associated with the game; and storing the second data at the apparatus at least partly in response to the second request.

More here: https://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1150086

Even if the basic NX console is more or less on par with XB1, in theory at least, an SCD could bring NX upto PS4K level, depending on how powerful/expensive each SCD is.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

Can't believe they said this with a straight face.

Why? If you replace "PS4" with "PS4K," the slide will still remain correct.

 

[Midn1ght]

Developers who care about their games will put updates out. CDPR spring to mind as a developer who would do something to update the Witcher 3 for PS4K.

True, but it still a bummer that we have to rely on developers good will for that. There will still be major differences between PC and consoles and why people choose one or the other but since upgrading every few years is now an option for consoles as well, the PC advantage of carrying your full library with you and having all your games run better with your upgrade is a major plus for me.

 

[Odrion]

This is kinda fucked up if they're full out giving it a new CPU and everything. A PS4 with a better GPU to allow 4K would be one thing, but this sounds like they're straight up doing an iterative design like modern smart devices.

 

[Maintenance]

Why? If you replace "PS4" with "PS4K," the slide will still remain correct.

But if the rumors are true then there is a PS4 and a PS4K, so the "every PS4 is the same" is already false.

 

[Fess]

Makes you wonder, how many will skip the day 1 purchase when next generation starts in hope of buying an upgraded console 3 years later?

And how will that affect the early life and dev support for the new console considering the sales might be bad with too many fence sitters?

 

[nib95]

Not really, I could see MS getting a better machine in the future. Not X1.5, but maybe X2.0 or X2.5.

The Xbox One will be always slower, that's for sure. But the One and a half & cia still have a chance.

This is on the assumption that Microsoft follows suit, and if they did, he'd have no reason to switch over as the annoyance would be towards both manufacturers.

 

[clintar]

F'n no. Who the hell wants a gimped version of a console when you know damn well there is a better version out there with much better visuals?

Sony is REALLY STUPID making this move, if true. Sony has way too much PS4's out there now and to divide that userbase is a slap in all of our faces. I may just toss in the towel on console gaming and just sell my PS4 and buy another SSD for my PC or something.

I can see MILLIONS of PS4 owners saying this > Im sorta salty about my PS4 purpose now. I would not be able to sleep at night knowing there is a more graphically intense PS4 version out there that i missed out on since i spent my money on the original PS4.

Sure i can afford to upgrade but a lot of others won't...millions of others won't be able to.

"I don't like the model of having outdated hardware i have to upgrade every so often. I'd rather sell that and go strictly to PC and upgrade that." Sounds like six of one, half a dozen of the other.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

$399/499 is a bad play. Needs to be $349 and discontinue the old SKU, just like PS2/3 revisions.

Why will they get rid of the old SKU when they can sell it for cheap .
Consoles will now have 2 tiers high end for hardcore gfx consoler gamer .
And low for people that just want to play okay looking games for cheap .
That is of course if this all works out for them which i hope.

 

[Maintenance]

This is on the assumption that Microsoft follows suit, and if they did, he'd have no reason to switch over as the annoyance would be towards both manufacturers.

I understand, I'm just saying that I don't think Sony will always have the upper hand on graphics / power.

 

[TheHolyTurnip]

If ps4k wasn't a thing, you'd still be a happy ps4 owner still standing on a rug?

Yea, probably. It's not so much the iterative part that upsets me so much as the idea of console generations just ending on a whim in the middle of a generation without any real forewarning. I'd have waited to see what the mid "gen" hardware would have brought about and gone from there, with rug still planted firmly underfoot.

I do think that's is way too early to call judgments on this idea yet. I'll wait and see what happens but from what I'm reading in this leak PC sounds like the better, more flexible option to me. If consoles become nothing more than a closed off PC then what's the point of a console?

 

[scoobs]

People tend to dislike change, but this was inevitable. Microsoft will follow suite (Nintendo probably won't, but who knows. They do what they want.)

5 years from now we'll all be buying the 3rd or 4th iterations of Playstation 4 and Xbox Ones and nobody will bat an eyelash.

As long as the games still run on the old hardware, I do not see what the big deal is. The hardcore will buy each and every new revision, and everyone else will still be able to play new games on their old ones. Seems alright to me.

 

[Silent-blades]

This is on the assumption that Microsoft follows suit, and if they did, he'd have no reason to switch over as the annoyance would be towards both manufacturers.

I already own both consoles. I just think this is piss poor practice. I think it's time to invest in a gaming PC. At least then I know I have to upgrade every few years.

 

[foolishoptimist]

If this shit is true I'll go right the fuck back to Xbox one. Pathetic Sony.

Aren't MS doing the same thing though? Like we Al expect it right?

 

[Matt]

I understand, I'm just saying that I don't think Sony will always have the upper hand on graphics / power.

MS is starting from a deficit with any console revisions because of the need to keep the ESRAM design. It's not an impossible problem to overcome, but it's a factor for sure.

 

[Herb Alpert]

Honestly, I think this gives Nintendo a real chance to get back in the race. If they can release at a comparable price point, and be as powerful as the 4K consoles, I will just buy an NX instead of having a second PS4.

As powerful as a more powerful PS4? The chances are slim to say the least.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Where did the Q1 2017 part come from? I thought it was going to come out this year. Now I'm bummed.

 

[SmiteOfHand]

These things aren't going to remain static. Developers are going to target where the active user base is. Now the PS4 has a huge base and the PS4K has 0 users. When it's released, it will gain some users. If Sony drops the PS4 at some point and only sells the PS4K then the PS4 user base will stop growing and only the PS4K user base will be the one growing. At some point the scales can tip where the PS4K has more active users than the PS4. There should be no assumption that should be made that the PS4 is going to be the focal point over the PS4K.

Yes, and this could easily be as far in the future as 2019 if not further, right around the time people would be expecting a PS5 anyway, so what exactly is the problem here?

 

[katsubento]

Will be funny if they announce it on friday.

Kinda think it will be. This sounds almost too much like a Friday announcement.

Still pretty skeptical this is as real as the thread makes it out to be. Even if it is "real", you are still looking at a year form now and a lot of things can change in a year.

 

[Maintenance]

People tend to dislike change, but this was inevitable. Microsoft will follow suite (Nintendo probably won't, but who knows. They do what they want.)

Nintendo is already doing this for decades.

Handhelds, I know, but still doing it.

MS is starting from a deficit with any console revisions because of the need to keep the ESRAM design. It's not an impossible problem to overcome, but it's a factor for sure.

Yeah, you're right, there is that elephant in the room.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

But if the rumors are true then there is a PS4 and a PS4K, so the "every PS4 is the same" is already false.

PS4 and PS4K are two different devices so I think "every PS4 is the same" is true since "PS4 is PS4," "PS4K is PS4K." VR experience on PS4 will be the same as that on another PS4 console. And similarly, VR on PS4K will be the same on every PS4K.

 

[Lunareste]

If this is the new norm, I am never buying a console again.

 

[kyser73]

Now I'm upset again. The one time I early adopt, I get fucked. Sony better have some amazing sales pitch/trade in or this will not go over well.

Again, someone not understanding what 'early adopter' entails.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Yea, probably. It's not so much the iterative part that upsets me so much as the idea of console generations just ending on a whim in the middle of a generation without any real forewarning. I'd have waited to see what the mid "gen" hardware would have brought about and gone from there, with rug still planted firmly underfoot.

I do think that's is way too early to call judgments on this idea yet. I'll wait and see what happens but from what I'm reading in this leak PC sounds like the better, more flexible option to me. If consoles become nothing more than a closed off PC then what's the point of a console?

Ease of use , having physical media , having one online store , other media options (Blu ray streaming option etc etc ) .
Easy to play and talk with friends etc etc but this don't really change much for consoles when it comes to certain people .

 

[Maintenance]

PS4 and PS4K are two different devices so I think "every PS4 is the same" is true since "PS4 is PS4," "PS4K is PS4K." VR experience on PS4 will be the same as that on another PS4 console. And similarly, VR on PS4K will be the same on every PS4K.

I can understand your reasoning but I feel like we're going in circles. Yes, every PS4 will be the same as another PS4, while evey PS4K will be the same as another PS4K. However, they will be selling together, like the 2DS/3DS/N3DS, so the games will have to deal with 2 configurations, PS4 and PS4K.

This is not like PS3 vs PS4, PS4 and PS4K are - apparently - on the same "gen".

 

[AstroNut325]

Not sure what to make of this, with how powerful it sounds, it's basically a PS5. Then there is also PS VR lurking about.

Why are people thinking a 2x jump is worthy of a new generation? Going from PS3's 250ish Gigaflops to the PS4's 1.8TF is a 7-8x increase. That's a generation leap.

 

[SolidusDave]

As long as the games still run on the old hardware, I do not see what the big deal is. The hardcore will buy each and every new revision, and everyone else will still be able to play new games on their old ones. Seems alright to me.

I just don't see why I wouldn't go PC if I spend 400+ on new hardware every few years anyway?
Would actually be more comfortable as I wouldn't need to re-install everything every time I want to bump up the CPU or GPU. Seems like you will get all XB games now, too.

Again, someone not understanding what 'early adopter' entails.

On consoles it has been a safe bet. Especially for PS. You pay only maybe 200€ more than 5+ years later but get the same experience right from the start of the gen (sometimes you would even pay less that what it costs to produce the damn thing, can't beat that). Often enough features were even removed in the newer SKUs instead of added.

 

[Daft Punk]

If this shit is true I'll go right the fuck back to Xbox one. Pathetic Sony.

Yea! It's not like Phil Spencer talked about doing the exact same thing with Xbone.

Oh wait.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Yes, and this could easily be as far in the future as 2019 if not further, right around the time people would be expecting a PS5 anyway, so what exactly is the problem here?

The problem here, which is why people are concerned, is that the PS4 version gets left behind when they went in expecting a full generation for their platform. That's why people are unhappy. It's not some crazy expectation that people had when they bought a PS4 since this has been the model for decades.

I just don't see why I wouldn't go PC if I spend 400+ on new hardware every few years anyway?
Would actually be more comfortable as I wouldn't need to re-install everything every time I want to bump up the CPU or GPU. Seems like you will get all XB games now, too.

And you'll get the performance gains on your existing games when you upgrade. You don't get that with the PS4/PS4K.

 

[GHG]

But if the rumors are true then there is a PS4 and a PS4K, so the "every PS4 is the same" is already false.

How can you say thing when you don't know what the development environment will be like for the two SKU's? If they can develop for both the original ps4 and the PS4K using the same SDK then not much changes other than configuration settings and whether the game should use Ultra HD assets dependant on which console the game is running on.

Considering the rumour clearly states that it's the GPU clockspeed that is increasing (it's not a whole new architecture) I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

 

[c0de]

The power of a slightly underclocked 970!

Lol, I buy basically all new consoles so I'll probably get this too, but lets not get crazy expecting a next generation experience or anything.

The question is whether a ps5 will offer s generation leap compared to ps4k. The effect of a new console will be way less when the release of new hardware comes sooner than before.

 

[Night Angel]

I just don't see why I wouldn't go PC if I spend 400+ on new hardware every few years anyway?
Would actually be more comfortable as I wouldn't need to re-install everything every time I want to bump up the CPU or GPU. Seems like you will get all XB games now, too.

You should DEFINITELY get a PC if your aim is to be on the high end of the graphics spectrum. I love my PC.

I also love my consoles (exclusives). I'm not sold on the idea of upgraded midcycle consoles, but if the changes are worthwhile I may consider getting one.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Ill ask again why isnt this happening with xbox1. Very few titles run terrible on it compared to ps4. Many games have targeted xbox1 and just let ps4 brute force its way through.

You're a visitor from another universe aren't you? Busted!

But do tell, which games run terrible on PS4 but great on Xbox One in your universe?

 

[NolbertoS]

Guys, sell your PS4's, arrogant Sony is back.

Let's all go back to Nintendo.

Fixed that for you. Seems Nintendo is getting more goodwill, all thanks to Arrogant Sony and MS pushing the console industry to edge of a cliff. It looks like Nintendo has to save the console industry again from exploding permanently.