PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

Hawk269 said:
WTF??? Is this a joke post? How are you being punished? Do you think the day the PS4K comes out, Sony will send a patch to disable your PS4? I don't get comments like yours. It really is shocking to read something like that.
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I'm nearly at the point of bailing on any PS4K related threads because of those kinds of posts.

I was a day 1 purchaser. I've had 00s if not 000s of hours entertainment out of my PS4, and Sony choosing to release an iterative version doesn't change that, nor does it change the fact many more good games will be released for the platform over he next 2-3 years, even with PS4K in the picture.

Same goes for PSVR.

I have clear choices in this -

Continue to play games on the platform devs & Sony will still be supporting strongly, and that will continue to give me great gaming experiences on TV and VR, and not be bothered about PS4K.

Buy a PS4K for those experiences, plus some extra shiny, and better VR performance.

Throw a tantrum like my 5 year old daughter & declare that all of the above is completely nullified by the new console & make some crazy declaration about being fucked over by Sony.
 
ninjablade said:
I heard from insider here that it will only be 4k, same game on ps4 which doesn't make any sense considering the specs.
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You really believe that with the added power you will be able to play future games on 4K, 60fps and increased texture, shadows and what not?

4K requires a tremendous amount of power. The best you can possibly get with that rumored setup is 4K, 30fps and that is most likely it.
 
Hawk269 said:
lmao. In all joking aside, I do think it will come down to something simple like this. PS4 games will be 900p or 1080p with 30fps. PS4K games will be 1080p/60fps with more things set to a high preset. I said it before and I will say it again, Sony is not stupid, they are not going to have 40million+ PS4 owners getting shitty hand me down games that are gimped and run at 20fps. They will mandate at minimum 900p/30fps depending on the game.
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Look at Firewatch - what did Sony do to prevent this?
This is not like PSVR where Sony is strict when it comes to framedrops, for obvious reasons. Which makes me think that when Sony demanded no framedrops, devs demanded better hardware which could've lead to this but well, that's speculation.
But again, which game did Sony ever reject because of performance problems?
 
Spman2099 said:
Honestly, I think this gives Nintendo a real chance to get back in the race. If they can release at a comparable price point, and be as powerful as the 4K consoles, I will just buy an NX instead of having a second PS4.
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Lmfao!!!

I'll leave this here, two major pubs are not supporting nx in NA. In fact one major pub/dev having no kits at all.
 
Rivyn said:
The thing is. This comes too soon for most people and that is why the backfire in this thread is horrendous. 2 more years added after this "rumor" and people will be cheering when it releases in 2018.
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Nonsense. People would be pissed they're not getting a PlayStation 5.
 
nib95 said:
You're talking about an extreme tech enthusiast community. Most people don't actually upgrade their PC's and tablets every few years, nor do they prefer to feel inclined to, and even then the real world performance differences between tablets etc aren't so massive, not for ordinary day to day use anyway. Phones are also a different kettle of fish because they work mostly on the basis of mobile phone contracts, which enable upgrades periodically and are subsided, so not at all comparable.

The beauty of console gaming was always that you buy hardware that is exceptionally good value for money early on in the life cycle, and dirt cheap towards the end of the cycle before any new hardware version is released. Sony's move here eradicates that, and sets a somewhat dangerous precedent not only offering less value proposition to console buyers going forward, but breaking up the closed platform optimisation fundamental, essentially asking developers to split development and optimisation between two different hardware platforms, where one might suffer in the process.
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The people you speak of who don't upgrade their pc's/tablets every few years typically aren't gamers and will be casual users. They will use 10% of their PC/tablets power and will be happy with it as long as they can load up Instagram/Facebook/Daily Mail/Twitter. They won't "upgrade" until their old one breaks. With regards to mobile phones, I currently live in a country where mobile phone contracts are not really a thing. You need to buy your phone outright from day one. Good luck getting any apple/Samsung device on the day of release.

We saw from the start that this console generation was going to be different. The hardware wasn't exotic, it's pretty muchbog standard low/mid range PC components in both the ps4 and Xbox One. There was little value proposition in the first place since they were not being sold at a loss unlike the consoles of yesteryear. Despite that, the PS4 has been selling exceptionally well and the Xbox One has been selling OK in the territories you would expect it to.

As for splitting development, I've already covered that previously in this thread. As long as PS4K development can be done through the current PS4 SDK then nothing really changes from a development point of view. They develop one version of the game and set it to run with different settings for the PS4K over the PS4.

Oh, and this move doesn't mean they are going to suddenly stop selling the original ps4 either. If anything it probably means they can drop the price on it quicker since they will maintain higher profit margins from the new PS4K.
 
ninjablade said:
You could say for just about every electronic, if you waited a year after release you the ps4 for 329 on ebay with gtav and last of us on black Friday samething with every phone they buy it for 700$ day one a year later you can get on ebay 400$ new, I think with the ps4 you take very little loss if you sell yourself and buy at the right time.
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Firstly, other product categories having poor value proposition isn't a good defence for wanting console cycles to have the same. As consumers we ought to demand the maximum value proposition, and it seems that lately we're getting less and less of that. Secondly, it's not really fair to compare to mobile phones. As I've said before, for the majority of people, upgrades are subsided by their contracts, which is why supply and demand works in a slightly different way, and why the drop off in value and the relevant cycles work differently.

With PC gamers who upgrade all the time, losing crap loads of money in the process, that again does not make a good comparison, since these are extreme enthusiast gamers who make up a tiny demographic of the market, and who are happy to lose hundreds of dollars each year or two, just to stay on the bleeding edge of technology. That is and never has been the case with console gaming, where value proposition, convenience, and closed platform optimisations have always been at the forefront of incentive.
 
PS1 was released in 1995. PS One came out towards the end of 2000. Almost 5 years.

PS2 was released in 2000. PS2 Slim came out towards the end of 2004. Almost 5 years.

PS3 was released in 2006. PS3 Slim came out in 2009. About 3 years.

With PS4 would it really be surprising to see a slim/ new revision 3 years on form release in 2013?
 
AniHawk said:
this wasn't a truth of video game consoles though. sure you could maybe get some with more storage or a different design, but that didn't really impact the final product of the games. and console gaming enthusiasts shouldn't be expected to guess that hardware manufacturers are going to make that switch of what their platform fundamentally is in the middle (or really twilight years) of a generation.
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We are in a new age that people are more tech savy then ever, I think choice is good, people with PS4 will still get a ton of games, and if you want the best and are a enthusiast you have a choice, sell your ps4 before the new comes out.
 
taimoorh said:
PS1 was released in 1995. PS One came out towards the end of 2000. Almost 5 years.

PS2 was released in 2000. PS2 Slim came out towards the end of 2004. Almost 5 years.

PS3 was released in 2006. PS3 Slim came out in 2009. About 3 years.

With PS4 would it really be surprising to see a slim/ new revision 3 years on form release in 2013?
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Sure you have the right thread?
 
Lionel Richie said:
Yes, this is how I feel. This just sends a bad message from the start, even if a lot of people like the idea, a lot of them don't. Why split the fanbase? They could have waited another year, launch this motherfucker in 2018 and call it the PS5. A lot less people would be getting angry.
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Risk making people who buy late in a cycle who have tight wallets and buy fewer games unhappy.

Or risk making earlier adopers who have already gotten 3 years out and are starting to get bored unhappy.

Tough choice for Sony.
 
AniHawk said:
this wasn't a truth of video game consoles though. sure you could maybe get some with more storage or a different design, but that didn't really impact the final product of the games. and console gaming enthusiasts shouldn't be expected to guess that hardware manufacturers are going to make that switch of what their platform fundamentally is in the middle (or really twilight years) of a generation.
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Still it's not like they did not try before with the add ons and if the system fail they just cut it short and jump right into other gen .
And this has been happening with handhelds for ever .
 
ninjablade said:
We are in a new age that people are more tech savy then ever, I think choice is good, people with PS4 will still get a ton of games, and if you want the best and are a enthusiast you have a choice, sell your ps4 before the new comes out.
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I think we are in a new age, honestly. The PS3/PS4 cross generation was telling. People loved upgrading to be on the upper end of that spectrum. We loved having PS4 Assasin's Creed: Black Flag rather than PS3 Assasin's Creed: Black Flag. Digital Foundry comparison videos probably sold the PS4 better than Bloodborne or Uncharted 4 did. Sony took notes.
 
ninjablade said:
Keep your ps4 and enjoy it, or sell on Craigslist for 250, 2 weeks before new ps4 comes out.
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Sigh yeah I guess I have no choice. As a huge GOW fan I MUST play it the best possible method. Hopefully like you said i can sell mine for that amount. Wonder if I should do it before the announcement or not

Maintenance said:
I'm sorry, but how do you know this? Any proof from any mod saying that you have insider information?
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No idea if he is legit or not but doesn't sound like anything that far fetched. Given how the WiiU gen went I expect NX to be straight up fucked (even more so than usual) when it comes to western third party support
 
Boogz said:
Lmfao!!!

I'll leave this here, two major pubs are not supporting nx in NA. In fact one major pub/dev having no kits at all.
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Boogz, if you don't mind me asking, when Osiris mentioned 'sacrifices' presumably that was in the context of the PS4 version of a game in relation to the PS4K version, rather than 'It'll run & look like complete shit on my PS4' - presuming the PS4 versions will continue to look & run like PS4 games?
 
nib95 said:
Firstly, other product categories having poor value proposition isn't a good defence for wanting console cycles to have the same. As consumers we ought to demand the maximum value proposition, and it seems that lately we're getting less and less of that. Secondly, it's not really fair to compare to mobile phones. As I've said before, for the majority of people, upgrades are subsided by their contracts, which is why supply and demand works in a slightly different way, and why the drop off in value and the relevant cycles work differently.

With PC gamers who upgrade all the time, losing crap loads of money in the process, that again does not make a good comparison, since these are extreme enthusiast gamers who make up a tiny demographic of the market, and who are happy to lose hundreds of dollars each year or two, just to stay on the bleeding edge of technology. That is and never has been the case with console gaming, where value proposition, convenience, and closed platform optimisations have always been at the forefront of incentive.
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Consoles have never been this out dated before the gen even started .
People are not willing to spend loads of money on a new consoles.
I see this as a good middle ground where Sony can target both the hardcore and causal console fans .
 
kyser73 said:
I'm nearly at the point of bailing on any PS4K related threads because of those kinds of posts.

I was a day 1 purchaser. I've had 00s if not 000s of hours entertainment out of my PS4, and Sony choosing to release an iterative version doesn't change that, nor does it change the fact many more good games will be released for the platform over he next 2-3 years, even with PS4K in the picture.

Same goes for PSVR.

I have clear choices in this -

Continue to play games on the platform devs & Sony will still be supporting strongly, and that will continue to give me great gaming experiences on TV and VR, and not be bothered about PS4K.

Buy a PS4K for those experiences, plus some extra shiny, and better VR performance.

Throw a tantrum like my 5 year old daughter & declare that all of the above is completely nullified by the new console & make some crazy declaration about being fucked over by Sony.
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I agree with you 100%. Sony releasing a PS4K does not invalidate the PS4. The PS4K will be available if people want to buy it. If you bought a PS4 already, I don't get how you would feel fucked because of them releasing something better.

I know a lot of people get emotional about these type of things, but like you I have enjoyed my PS4 since launch day, same with my Xbox One...so for me that was a $900 investment without tax and without adding any games, Xbox Live/PSN etc. I don't feel betrayed or butt hurt at all about these rumors and potentially newer versions of both systems.
 
nib95 said:
Firstly, other product categories having poor value proposition isn't a good defence for wanting console cycles to have the same. As consumers we ought to demand the maximum value proposition, and it seems that lately we're getting less and less of that. Secondly, it's not really fair to compare to mobile phones. As I've said before, for the majority of people, upgrades are subsided by their contracts, which is why supply and demand works in a slightly different way, and why the drop off in value and the relevant cycles work differently.

With PC gamers who upgrade all the time, losing crap loads of money in the process, that again does not make a good comparison, since these are extreme enthusiast gamers who make up a tiny demographic of the market, and who are happy to lose hundreds of dollars each year or two, just to stay on the bleeding edge of technology. That is and never has been the case with console gaming, where value proposition, convenience, and closed platform optimisations have always been at the forefront of incentive.
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I honestly think the ps4.5 is a amazing value, way better then the ps4. I think sony is doing this cause they are very confident in the PlayStation brand at the moment, they c kind of played it safe with PS4 which is something they never did, ps4.5 sounds like a monster of a box.
 
nib95 said:
Firstly, other product categories having poor value proposition isn't a good defence for wanting console cycles to have the same. As consumers we ought to demand the maximum value proposition, and it seems that lately we're getting less and less of that. Secondly, it's not really fair to compare to mobile phones. As I've said before, for the majority of people, upgrades are subsided by their contracts, which is why supply and demand works in a slightly different way, and why the drop off in value and the relevant cycles work differently.

With PC gamers who upgrade all the time, losing crap loads of money in the process, that again does not make a good comparison, since these are extreme enthusiast gamers who make up a tiny demographic of the market, and who are happy to lose hundreds of dollars each year or two, just to stay on the bleeding edge of technology. That is and never has been the case with console gaming, where value proposition, convenience, and closed platform optimisations have always been at the forefront of incentive.
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It's only poor value if you choose to be an early adopter every time as you stated with pc enthusiasts. Ps4 will have a great used market now which is great for bargain hunters. And early adopters will continue to pay premium because they want to.
You still get stuff for a good deal though consoles are rarely a ripoff for the components inside. Markup is low to nil.
Nothing changed for Ps4 but more deals hopefully
 
B.O.O.M said:
No idea if he is legit or not but doesn't sound like anything that far fetched. Given how the WiiU gen went I expect NX to be straight up fucked (even more so than usual) when it comes to western third party support
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The information is one thing, my problem is that there are enough fake insiders on GAF.
 
Wow just seen this thread!

The fact that there will be Sony 1st party efforts mainly for PS4K (i.e. lame ports for OG PS4) and the OP outright says games will just run worse on the old PS4 is pushing me to go for the PS4K.

I called Sony making all 1st party devs prioritising PS4K development and with that the need to upgrade is more paramount for me personally (if 3rd party jumps on board to then it's essentially a no brainer)

I actually feel sorry for old PS4 guys down the road already, doubt they'll be getting all that great dev efforts on the machine down the line.

Now my question is how far will PS5 drop? Sony have a marketing nightmare on their hands imo if the performance delta is big.
Asking people to upgrade again to PS5 in 2018 or somewhere there will be a tough sell.

Oh well it's a brave new world now, hope the games actually get better because this gen has been mildly disappointing this far and that has not been a hardware issue.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Risk making people who buy late in a cycle who have tight wallets and buy fewer games unhappy.

Or risk making earlier adopers who have already gotten 3 years out and are starting to get bored unhappy.

Tough choice for Sony.
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I absolutely disagree with this. I bought the console at launch, and a second just under a year later. Not only am I not bored, I feel Sony hasn't released enough of their own content for the console yet, and instead been quite slow with releases. Where's my new Gran Turismo, or God of War, or Uncharted, The Last Guardian, Quantic Dream game etc. Sony's output with the PS4 has been slower this generation, so there's even less reason to release new upgraded hardware. I honestly don't feel I've gotten enough value out of my consoles yet, and instead feel like I'm still waiting for some of the more important releases.
 
taimoorh said:
PS1 was released in 1995. PS One came out towards the end of 2000. Almost 5 years.

PS2 was released in 2000. PS2 Slim came out towards the end of 2004. Almost 5 years.

PS3 was released in 2006. PS3 Slim came out in 2009. About 3 years.

With PS4 would it really be surprising to see a slim/ new revision 3 years on form release in 2013?
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No but there wasn't a spec bump before.
 
ninjablade said:
We are in a new age that people are more tech savy then ever, I think choice is good, people with PS4 will still get a ton of games, and if you want the best and are a enthusiast you have a choice, sell your ps4 before the new comes out.
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i've been predicting this for a while now actually. at least a year or so that the new form of dedicated hardware will be incremental upgrades. i had expected it to start in the 9th gen though, and not in this one.

the problem is there wasn't any notice that this was going to happen with ps4 and supposedly xbox one. so people are upset that it's happening after dropping several hundred dollars on the ps4 when they thought they were getting the best 8th gen dedicated hardware.

there's also this weird overlap with ps vr in what looks like to me two competing ideologies. one is pushing sony's tv/living room division while the other is far more rooted in games and applications. however, it seems they're reaching for the same consumers - enthusiasts with lots of money to spend. i don't think there's a big enough time gap between the two that it helps them out though. i'd have separated them by a year, and probably put ps4k out this holiday and pushed ps vr to november 2017.
 
B.O.O.M said:
Sigh yeah I guess I have no choice. As a huge GOW fan I MUST play it the best possible method. Hopefully like you said i can sell mine for that amount. Wonder if I should do it before the announcement or not



No idea if he is legit or not but doesn't sound like anything that far fetched. Given how the WiiU gen went I expect NX to be straight up fucked (even more so than usual) when it comes to western third party support
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You will easily get 250$ I sell stuff on Craigslist and consoles get sold right away, heck even wiiu is still selling for 200$ up on craigslist.
 
I wonder if this is a glimpse of the future or if it's really just to do with the PS4.0 releasing at a weird time. It was needed in 2013 but it also came out a little too early for VR or 4k.
 
I bought my PS4 day one. It was a slow burner for me but I love the console now. The idea of of the PS4k to me is awesome. I don't get the outpouring of complaints. Your PS4 will still work. Nothing changes. You now just have an option to make it that much quicker without waiting years for PS5. Also if they are leaning towards iterative consoles then it might well solve the backwards compatability debate once and for all.
 
Hawk269 said:
I agree with you 100%. Sony releasing a PS4K does not invalidate the PS4. The PS4K will be available if people want to buy it. If you bought a PS4 already, I don't get how you would feel fucked because of them releasing something better.

I know a lot of people get emotional about these type of things, but like you I have enjoyed my PS4 since launch day, same with my Xbox One...so for me that was a $900 investment without tax and without adding any games, Xbox Live/PSN etc. I don't feel betrayed or butt hurt at all about these rumors and potentially newer versions of both systems.
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Games being slowly less and less optimised for PS4 and running well only on PS4K is a legitimate concern. Also, buying fixed specs hardware which the manufacturer and game developers would keep on optimising for in the span of 5+ years is something the average console gamer was actually buying a console for. Having new and faster hardware released every few years would bring a much different model and something possibly harmful to the console idea in and of itself.
 
PuppetMaster said:
Risk making people who buy late in a cycle who have tight wallets and buy fewer games unhappy.

Or risk making earlier adopers who have already gotten 3 years out and are starting to get bored unhappy.

Tough choice for Sony.
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Not really all that tough IMO. Look at the reactions on this thread for an example. A lot of people who bought their product are saying they're not buying the new one or feeling a little shafted. Even if a few give in and do buy it, you lost a good part of your audience and it's not exactly likely you're getting enough new people to join in and offset that. Besides, something like this really helped fucking Sega over so there's even a history.

I don't get it as a business decision. As someone who really likes videogames, I get it even less. That is however my opinion and I respect anyone who thinks otherwise and I'm glad they get to be hyped for something like this, just to be clear. I do really think it's a very bad idea though.
 
nib95 said:
I absolutely disagree with this. I bought the console at launch, and a second just under a year later. Not only am I not bored, I feel Sony hasn't released enough of their own content for the console yet, and instead been quite slow with releases. Where's my new Gran Turismo, or God of War, or Uncharted, The Last Guardian, Quantic Dream game etc. Sony's output with the PS4 has been slower this generation, so there's even less reason to release new upgraded hardware. I honestly don't feel I've gotten enough value out of my consoles yet, and instead feel like I'm still waiting for some of the more important releases.
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You can disagree but there will be plenty of early adopters waiting for this. I wanted a PS4K at launch... would have paid 599 out of the gate
 
kyser73 said:
Boogz, if you don't mind me asking, when Osiris mentioned 'sacrifices' presumably that was in the context of the PS4 version of a game in relation to the PS4K version, rather than 'It'll run & look like complete shit on my PS4' - presuming the PS4 versions will continue to look & run like PS4 games?
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To be honest I didn't understand the statement myself. Ps4 will always be the lead platform no matter what. The install base is to huge in such little time.
I think the wording is a bit wrong. No way in hell devs will target Ps4k as a lead. Instead they will target pc as lead then down port.
 
anothertech said:
900p is current Gen gaming my friend ;) lol

Sad but true. Ps4k is an attempt to fix that methinks.
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I've only had to skip three games so far because of 900p and one I ended up playing and finishing on PC. It was a glitchy mess.
 
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