Alison Rapp Fired By Nintendo Discussion Thread -- Read Ground Rules in OP

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She wasn't forced to do anything. She could've remained silent and let it blow over. Instead, she painted the situation from her side of the story -- knowing full well that a Corp like Nintendo would be unable to disclose their own side of the story -- and made herself out to be the victim. This threw fuel on a fire that never needed to burn.

You're a dupe if you think someone saying "wish my coworkers the best!" somehow justifies their intentions later. Making yourself out to be the well-meaning-but-cruelly-misunderstood ex-employee is a classic move.
Not sure how else to say this, but this is the language of GG.
 
As Charlequin and others have pointed out, the usual good company behavior when one of their employees are facing harassment from its consumers, they get out in front of the controversy from the start and try to do damage control in order to preserve the well-being of their employees. This is what a healthy, good company culture would do.

What Nintendo (of America) has done with its silence and later throwing Rapp under the bus is not a sign of good management that looks out for the well-being of its workers. Instead, it tells us that Nintendo prioritizes the irrational hate caused by wishes for anime boobs/ass/panties over the protection of their employees.
Do you honestly believe this crap sentence?

I am currently not able to remember a single time, a big company took some actions in social media on a personal level for an employee. Please, correct me if i'm wrong.

This good company behavior could ultimately lead to a controversy about a company supporting/defending someone who is accused of being a child-pornography apologist/defendist. I know that these claims against her are false and bullshit, you know it, will the mass media know it?

I don't think you really grasp what such a controvery, true or not, will do to any company.
 
If I posted my wishlist that would be gross misconduct and I'd be fired from my employer. I work for the largest hardware/software/services company.
Same company has inclusionary policy and will employee any types of looks as long as the skills and ability are there.

Sounds like there were enough warning signs that this might happen, and she carried on pushing.

Shame but not exactly surprising.

This probably isn't the best way to react to it by Nintendo or Repp.

My 2c

It is standard corporate procedure to watch out for employees trying to leverage their position in order to gain money or popularity outside of the company. It's a prett common problem. Either the employee steals employees and starts a new company ("these were just friends that I made"), violating s non-compete. Or, they use the company's famous name to earn themselves and their beliefs attention, which they might not otherwise have been able to do. According to Alison's own timeline and accounting of the events, she was outspoken about certain hot-button items and Nintendo was gradually moving her out of the spotlight because of that.

I hate to be the old man on the porch, but people getting mad at Nintendo for this need to take a breath and understand how actual corporations work. This isn't Nintendo doing something out of the ordinary at all. If anything, Alison is deliberately trying to rile people up and paint herself as a martyr because she violated a pretty basic corporate policy.
I feel like some critical, precise points will be overlooked because of the natural tendency to be upset with GG. I don't want to ever side with them. But I worry this story would be better appreciated if she wasn't a public face. She was in PR. They have very strict rules on what you can do.
 
then Nintendo in turn dug around and deemed her to not be a "fit" for their corporate culture (the moonlighting thing is a clear excuse on their part... as they DO allow moonlighting, but hers was controversial enough for them to give her the axe).
Where did Alison said that Nintendo dug around? And the moonlighting was controversial even according to Alison as she even used a different name to avoid any connections.

Heck, the "tipster" might not even have ties to GG since as mentioned if that was the case said job would've been known by now and plastered all over the net.

The silence from Nintendo, the harassment, the termination all suck. But lets not create events and timelines just because.
 
The problem is her job. How can you protect or shield an employee from such attacks, if the persons job is to protect and shield the company. It's like hiring a bodyguard for your bodyguard.

You get out in front of it and have a company-wide message that sends a strong signal to bigots that their hate and terrorism will not be tolerated. This is what a good company would do.

Hell, even threaten the bigots with that their future company products won't have any under-age anime titties/panties/whatever from now. Working for Nintendo, I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to make products for this particular consumer base that destroys a person's life and livelihood over fucking virtual tit n ass.

Regarding (1) I agree, but regarding (2): What would you expect Nintendo to do? Publicly announcing her dismissal and going into great details regarding the reason? I would not want an emplyer to do that.

They chose to fire her in the midst of a fucking witch hunt. It's their responsibility to make certain that Rapp is well off and secure considering the context in which she is fired in. This also ensures that even if they want to fire her for legitimate reasons (let's just assume), they will not send a signal to the rest of the culture and industry that hate movement are okay and that they will ensure the safety and well-being of their employees.
 
Definitely. They are vile and disgusting people who richly deserve all the ill that may befall upon them.

And one should not eat the fruit of poisonous trees.

Yes.This simply encourages similar behavior and harassment in the future. And few peoples lives could withstand the intense scrutiny internet stalkers with a grudge provide. I know mine couldn't and I'm fairly average. Even as simple as "would you like your tastes in pornography made known to your employer?" I certainly don't relish the thought of my penchant for obese pissing geriatrics made public, despite the fact it's legal, harmless and well within my rights to enjoy.

Hell a VERY good friend of mine lost their career because a vindictive, abusive ex outed her as being part of a local BDSM group in court (where the judge, rightly, told him it was irrelevant and, considering he'd met her there, highly hypocritical to try and smear her character with).

Cue avatar quote I guess

So nobody has a right to a private life? Bearing in mind that most "corporate standards" are simply means of exclusion and control and really they have no right to police people to that extent.

If you are the public face of a company, you better make damn well sure your social media is squeaky clean.

We may not be allowed to discuss whatever went down here, but I'm certain her manager had a few long talks about it.
 
Fact of the matter:

1. While their employee was being irrationally harassed and suffering from false accussations and a witch hunt, Nintendo was silent

2. While their employee was still being harassed and undergoing a witch hunt, they decided to fire her without much comment until media reached out.

Nintendo just isn't acting well in this bullshit

There was also the fact, acknowledged by both Alison Rapp and Nintendo, that the reason she was fired was because of the nature of her second moonlighting job (and not the actual second job itself, which apparently is allowed under Nintendo policy). The thing is we do not know what this actual second job is, only that a) it is apparently enough to warrant Nintendo to fire her citing that it goes against company culture, and b) it necessitates her to use a pseudonym.


This is disgusting.

Why are we examining her past unlike any other industry figure? This is brutal.

Past? If you're referring to her second job, it's because that was the "official" reason why she was fired.
 
It's similar to evidence in a trial being thrown out because it was acquired through illegal means.

So, yes.

This is always one of those things that has seemed tough for me, you know? Legal proceedings vs. "real world" perception differ. There's nothing that tells me Alison's actions were actually something objectionable (namely because we don't know specifics), but if they are, is Nintendo better to ignore them because they were obtained through unsavoury means?

Like - and I want to make it clear that I don't think these are directly comparable situations, but it's a good 'recent' comparable - should we (or, say, the WWE, as a corporation) ignore the fact that Hulk Hogan is (or, at the very least, 'recently was') a racist because of the way this information was obtained and revealed to us? The people that uncovered this information should be vilified, certainly, but it doesn't excuse/negate the egregious action/behaviour in the first place, so to speak (behaviour that, in Alison's case, may be innocuous to us as public at large, but is clearly a problem for Nintendo).
 
Oh yes, having a second job under a pseudonym under no identifiers is totally "leveraging her position to gain money and popularity"

Having a second job in and of itself is a perfectly acceptable reason for dismissal from the first job.

We can decry the harassment while admitting the termination may have been justified.
 
You can comment, but don't place extra blame on her that is unwarranted.

You can be apathetic sure, but that's what keeps this stuff happening. The industry players are so silent on GG.
Nah, you're incorrect. Many anti-GGers have said that highlighting GG "victories" like this only makes it worse. That's why we don't have articles about it any more.

You're just feeding the fire. Sucks that Alison couldn't meld with corporate culture. Also sucks that she decided to leverage that position for her own beliefs and the company didn't like it.

Attacking Nintendo does nothing to help the situation.
 
Having a second job in and of itself is a perfectly acceptable reason for dismissal from the first job.

We can decry the harassment while admitting the termination may have been justified.

But according to the information we have, having a second job in and of itself cannot be an acceptable reason for dismissal.

Nah, you're incorrect. Many anti-GGers have said that highlighting GG "victories" like this only makes it worse. That's why we don't have articles about it any more.

You're just feeding the fire. Sucks that Alison couldn't meld with corporate culture. Also sucks that she decided to leverage that position for her own beliefs and the company didn't like it.

Attacking Nintendo does nothing to help the situation.

Attacking Nintendo is almost as useful to a more progressive industry as Nintendo is

ha cha cha
 
This is disgusting.

Why are we examining her past unlike any other industry figure? This is brutal.

Why did she made this public?

A lot of people are being fired for good or bad reasons (I'm not judging here if she's right or Nintendo is) but why on earth making a Tweet about it?!?

Was she looking for help? For people to claim that she's right and feel better?

Really she should have known since she's a PR girl...
 
Having a second job in and of itself is a perfectly acceptable reason for dismissal from the first job.

We can decry the harassment while admitting the termination may have been justified.

This is where I'm at at the moment - if the grounds for termination are justifiable, then fine, but the harassment that led (potentially) to NoA discovering the nature of her second job is abhorrent.

But according to the information we have, having a second job in and of itself cannot be an acceptable reason for dismissal.

It's the alleged nature of the second job that's the issue, not that she had one.
 
Chû Totoro;199743606 said:
Why did she made this public?

A lot of people are being fired for good or bad reasons (I'm not judging here if she's right or Nintendo is) but why on earth making a Tweet about it?!?

Was she looking for help? For people to claim that she's right and feel better?

Really she should have known since she's a PR girl...
"PR girl"...

She's just a person, tweeting about her life.
 
Why are some people in this thread referring to her with "Miss Rapp"? Do you guys seriously think this thread is a courtroom or something?
 
The problem is her job. How can you protect or shield an employee from such attacks, if the persons job is to protect and shield the company. It's like hiring a bodyguard for your bodyguard.

Well, you could do something crazy like publicly denounce the harassment itself, and the people doing it, and reiterate your support for your public-facing employees who are getting harassed.
 
This is where I'm at at the moment - if the grounds for termination are justifiable, then fine, but the harassment that led (potentially) to NoA discovering the nature of her second job is abhorrent.



It's the alleged nature of the second job that's the issue, not that she had one.

I'm aware of that. MC Safety stated that having a second job "in and of itself" was acceptable reason to terminate, but that simply wasn't the case.

Why are some people in this thread referring to her with "Miss Rapp"? Do you guys seriously think this thread is a courtroom or something?

I ask that Mr. Lime's comments be stricken from the record.
 
There was also the fact, acknowledged by both Alison Rapp and Nintendo, that the reason she was fired was because of the nature of her second moonlighting job (and not the actual second job itself, which apparently is allowed under Nintendo policy). The thing is we do not know what this actual second job is, only that a) it is apparently enough to warrant Nintendo to fire her citing that it goes against company culture, and b) it necessitates her to use a pseudonym.




Past? If you're referring to her second job, it's because that was the "official" reason why she was fired.

But there is also the fact that it would never have been an issue if there wasn't a campaign of abuse against her. Before the moonlighting came out, she was already transferred and being silenced because the attacks against her WERE working with her employer. It's pretty unjustifiable how she was treated before she was fired. Again, she was NOT fired because of a second job, she was fired because of that most generic of excuses, that she didn't fit with the culture. In other words, Nintendo wanted the attacks to stop and it was far easier to fire her than take a principled position. Yes, that's normal procedure for a corporation, but it's also disgusting and should change.

We need to get off this idea that just because things have been a certain way for a long time, they should stay that way.
 
I've actually come around on one of my positions from last night. I originally found it understandable, even justifiable, for Nintendo stay silent while the harassment was going on in an attempt to not bring more attention to an employee who has been understood as, accurate or not, having pro-child pornography views.

After putting some more thought into it though - the one of the core lies in the GG campaign was that Rapp censored some waifu something or other in Fire Emblem. Nintendo could have SO EASILY refuted that lie in a way that defended Rapp and disavowed GG's filthy tactics without bringing her personal views into the mix. Nintendo's authority of saying "No, GG is factually wrong" would have been a powerful and helpful thing for Rapp to have on her side.

I don't think that has any relevance at all in relation to yesterday's events, but Nintendo is still far from blameless in this whole fiasco of a saga.
 
Hell, even threaten the bigots with that their future company products won't have any under-age anime titties/panties/whatever from now. Working for Nintendo, I sure as hell wouldn't be willing to make products for this particular consumer base that destroys a person's life and livelihood over fucking virtual tit n ass.
Please correct me, if I misunderstand you, but do you propose Nintendo should threaten to change their game's content as a disciplinary measure against a subgroup of their customers?? Come on...
 
How can you even determine that the nature of the second job wasn't a valid reason for terminating her contract without knowing what that second job was?
 
But according to the information we have, having a second job in and of itself cannot be an acceptable reason for dismissal.

The information you have is incorrect.

Moonlighting is rarely tolerated as it may distract an employee from his duties. Beyond that, there may be specific conflicts in terms of the work done. This is to say nothing of a conflict between corporate cultures or ideals.

And, again, we are talking about a state with at will employment.
 
The information you have is incorrect.

Moonlighting is rarely tolerated as it may distract an employee from his duties. Beyond that, there may be specific conflicts in terms of the work done.

And, again, we are talking about a state with at will employment.

Rapp specifically stated that moonlighting was acceptable by Nintendo's policies.
 
She wasn't forced to do anything. She could've remained silent and let it blow over. Instead, she painted the situation from her side of the story -- knowing full well that a Corp like Nintendo would be unable to disclose their own side of the story -- and made herself out to be the victim.

Once again, we have a case of so-called journalists writing shitty clickbait stories without doing any actual journalism. If you are going to write an article about an employee's termination, the responsible and ethical thing to do is to get the employer's side of the story too.

Haha, you guys. Victim blaming and ethics in Gomsjornolnsnfl, really?


I hate how there's absolutely no way to ever find out what shitheads do start these things. Gamergate will keep ruining this hobby as best as they can.

Alison did do absolutely nothing, except for being a woman and daring to step into important problems that don't match with the views of some stupid-ass neckbeards who blame their complete incompetence in life on everyone else but themselves, and she got fired for it. She lost her job.

Admittedly, it seems it wasn't that great of a job for her, which is where I can find at least some remnants of a silver lining, but dudes, what the hell.

This is happening in freaking 2016. Damn.


Edit: Oh, Nebraska is already talking about "Anti-GG". This will end well.

edit edit: Top of the page, really? This is just my day :)
 
Whilst we do not know any of the real reasons behind her being let go I do wonder if a lot of people on the internet even live in the real world.

If a company have policies and values they want to uphold and you don't follow them, you will not be around for very long. This is not aimed at the poor girl directly but a lot of people here who think they should have freedom to express all their views etc in life and live how they want.. Yes, yes you can, providing you have the means to fund yourself. If you rely on a business to pay you monthly, unfortunately sometimes you will need to bite your tongue. If you don't agree with their policies, thats fine but pretending like they owe you anything other then your pay each month that you provide work is ridiculous. People can be loyal, companies can not.

whilst none of us need to know or have a right to,I do hope the actual reasoning comes out. Speculation only leads to divided opinions and people making assumptions about who is right or wrong causing necessary friction.

People blaming Nintendo right now saying it's awful of them etc... What if she was a sex worker, drug seller etc on the side ( please, I'm not saying she is ) and Nintendo just said "for reasons" to keep face for them and to protect her identity not wanting to damage it further. Are they still awful ?

Obviously that example can go both ways and Nintendo could well be the ones in the wrong but with out anyone knowing any facts it's all just speculation
 
Admittedly, it seems it wasn't that great of a job for her, which is where I can find at least some remnants of a silver lining, but dudes, what the hell.
She actually seemed to love the job by the looks of it?
Top of the page, really? This is just my day :)
Since it's your day, it's the perfect opportunity to come back to GUF.
 
Please correct me, if I misunderstand you, but do you propose Nintendo should threaten to change their game's content as a disciplinary measure against a subgroup of their customers?? Come on...

I'm just joking because the situation is ridiculous. This is all over some fucking video games and their pandering sexualized female characters. Somebody's livelihood got ruined because of fucking depictions of virtual boobs and ass that she didn't even have anything to do with. You got to be fucking kidding me with this world we live in.

Do you honestly believe this crap sentence?

I am currently not able to remember a single time, a big company took some actions in social media on a personal level for an employee. Please, correct me if i'm wrong.

Yep, it's good company practice within HR to ensure the well-being of your employees and protect them from harassment from consumers.

This good company behavior could ultimately lead to a controversy about a company supporting/defending someone who is accused of being a child-pornography apologist/defendist. I know that these claims against her are false and bullshit, you know it, will the mass media know it?

I don't think you really grasp what such a controvery, true or not, will do to any company.

If Nintendo can't handle taking care of their employees in the face of false accusations and misogynist witch hunts, they wouldn't be a very good company to work for (management and decisionmakers at least).
 
Good news that others are taking a stand. This is simply unacceptable behavior by Nintendo and it has such strong repercussions on the industry and the people working in it. It not only affects their own company culture and how employees aren't going to feel safe when management are willing to throw them under the bus because of a hate movement, but it also sends a strong chilling effect across the industry when one of the top companies are taking the side of a bigoted hate mob.

Personally I would prefer that every thread related to Nintendo from now on should have a disclaimer that their American branch is willing to remain silent and in the end fire their own employees because of irrational hate and false accusations fueled by the lack of anime titties/panties/whatever on (under-age?) female characters.

This is unacceptable and Nintendo should face up to the consequences of their reckless behavior.

Im gonna leave this thread before I say something that gets me banned. DS3 is just around the corner. Peace out.
 
Alison did do absolutely nothing, except for being a woman and daring to step into important problems that don't match with the views of some stupid-ass neckbeards who blame their complete incompetence in life on everyone else but themselves, and she got fired for it. She lost her job.

It gets even better - she actually agreed with the stupid-ass neckbeards, and they still harassed her.

At this point, not even the most dedicated devil's advocate could defend the claim that Gamergate is about anything more than waging an indiscriminate war against women to push them out of the medium.
 
She actually seemed to love the job by the looks of it?
Since it's your day, it's the perfect opportunity to come back to GUF.

I was just referring to her tweets describing how shitty she was taken by her hand at Nintendo in her views and, I guess, looks and all, as opposed to other (male) employees. At least that's what I'm reading out of it.

And, nööö :D

It gets even better - she actually agreed with the stupid-ass neckbeards, and they still harassed her.

At this point, not even the most dedicated devil's advocate can still claim that Gamergate is about anything more than waging an indiscriminate war against women to push them out of the medium.

I'd probably take bets that this exact thing will happen within the next three pages.
 
I'm just joking because the situation is ridiculous. This is all over some fucking video games and their pandering sexualized female characters. Somebody's livelihood got ruined because of fucking depictions of virtual boobs and ass that she didn't even have anything to do with. You got to be fucking kidding me with this world we live in.

Unless I'm missing something here the harassment was specifically targeted ob her somewhat controversial opinions of pedophilia laws in Japan Fire Emblem had nothing to do with it.
 
Im gonna leave this thread before I say something that gets me banned. DS3 is just around the corner. Peace out.

The point is that Nintendo needs to be called out severely for this. Their actions have such a huge effect on the games industry and consumers, and they implicitly legitimize a hate movement.
 
But there is also the fact that it would never have been an issue if there wasn't a campaign of abuse against her. Before the moonlighting came out, she was already transferred and being silenced because the attacks against her WERE working with her employer. It's pretty unjustifiable how she was treated before she was fired. Again, she was NOT fired because of a second job, she was fired because of that most generic of excuses, that she didn't fit with the culture. In other words, Nintendo wanted the attacks to stop and it was far easier to fire her than take a principled position. Yes, that's normal procedure for a corporation, but it's also disgusting and should change.

We need to get off this idea that just because things have been a certain way for a long time, they should stay that way.

The only reason why she got fired was because an anonymous tip was given to Nintendo regarding her moonlighting, which apparently was "serious" enough for her to be let go. The fact that Nintendo moved her away from her original position -- a "lateral move" -- to something else that would prevent her from having to directly represent the company (following closer review of her tweets after this whole GG mess started) most likely pointed that Nintendo had no plans of letting her go. This only happened AFTER they apparently discovered the nature of her moonlighting job which, I have to stress, we still do not know.

Is moving her from her spokesperson position following the GG thing to another "lateral position" unjustifiable? I don't know; for all we know, this was a position that wouldn't need for her to be present in social/real media, in which case maybe it would have worked out to her favor. Or maybe this was as head for the custodian department in which case you'd be right in saying it's unjustifiable. The point is right now, we are working on assumptions and if's, and all data so far does not warrant grabbing pitchforks and skewering a company that is most likely just upholding their rules and regulations instead of the narrative that they're prostrating themselves in front of the almighty GGers.
 
Unless I'm missing something here the harassment was specifically targeted over her somewhat controversial opinions of pedophilia laws in Japan Fire Emblem had nothing to do with it.

Incorrect. The thesis was a bludgeon GG used to harass, but the attempts at harassment came well before they found this method.
 
I was just referring to her tweets describing how shitty she was taken by her hand at Nintendo in her views and, I guess, looks and all, as opposed to other (male) employees. At least that's what I'm reading out of it.
Well her views would probably not have been too popular with the management for male employees either and regarding looks, their problem were piercings and tattoos, which I cannot imagine would be different for male employees, either, or did I miss something? I cannot see from what she has written that she feels Nintendo treated her particularly bad for being female.

And, nööö :D
But Fauli would be furious, especially if you wrote something about gamergate!
 
Having a second job in and of itself is a perfectly acceptable reason for dismissal from the first job.

We can decry the harassment while admitting the termination may have been justified.

But it isn't, Alison herself said that just having a second job isn't forbidden by Nintendo. Besides, they would have never fired her for "that" reason if GG didn't get involved, so...
 
Unless I'm missing something here the harassment was specifically targeted over her somewhat controversial opinions of pedophilia laws in Japan Fire Emblem had nothing to do with it.

you are missing something. that was something gamergate dug up in their harassment campaign. and it was specifically about ownership of cartoon child porn. it's also highly hypocritical because these people were mad that nintendo decided reduce the sexualization of a 13 year old. oh and they also defend and harbor actual pedophiles.
 
you are missing something. that was something gamergate dug up in their harassment campaign. and it was specifically about ownership of cartoon child porn. it's also highly hypocritical because these people were mad that nintendo decided reduce the sexualization of a 13 year old. oh and they also defend and harbor actual pedophiles.

I'm not arguing that however the poster I quoted seems to believe they attacked her because they though that she specifically removed some kind of sexual content from Fire Emblem which I haven't seen at all.
 
Rapp may have thought that, but there was clearly some issue with the second job.

Whether it was a distraction or not in line with Nintendo's corporate philosophy doesn't really matter.

right. because it's a convenient out for nintendo. a hate mob used corporate cowardice to someone they don't like fired.
 
I'm not arguing that however the poster I quoted seems to believe they attacked her because they though that she specifically removed some kind of sexual content from Fire Emblem which I haven't seen at all.

oh. it started before that. i think the specific trigger were the changes to Xenoblade X
 
I'm not arguing that however the poster I quoted seems to believe they attacked her because they though that she specifically removed some kind of sexual content from Fire Emblem which I haven't seen at all.

Their Chemtrails-logic was that her womanly "SJW" views were influencing Nintendo's "censorship" of anime titties.

This is what motivated them to dig up as much non-contextual "dirt" as possible and make the conversation about her in order to have her fired.

And it's obviously working, since everyone is arguing about Rapp, and not the abhorrent practices in the games industry that cater to an obviously misogynist audience.
 
Yep, it's good company practice within HR to ensure the well-being of your employees and protect them from harassment from consumers.
Name one. Link me up to a story where this protection happened. And link me up to one where the topic was a dangerous as child-pornography.

If Nintendo can't handle taking care of their employees in the face of false accusations and misogynist witch hunts, they wouldn't be a very good company to work for (management and decisionmakers at least).
Oh well, if a foundation, with the purpose of fighting sex-trafficking, child-pornography, etc., is going to stirr up the mass media and public about your company defending someone related to such stuff, and conveniently not mention and/or know about all that stuff not being true, then it won't be a good company to work for very soon.

This is the real problem, a director of such a foundation doing work FOR the GG fuckers. This is really giving them a valid way of continuing with this shit.


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And, nööö :D
Also doch, Bufko!
 
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