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[gingerbeardman]

Maybe I don't fully understand what this wishlist posting thing is about. Why would someone be fired for posting one?

I assume a wishlist is a list of things she wants but can't buy herself.

It comes down to ethics. Accepting a gift could be considered unethical, as it could be a bribe rather than a gift.
And even if it's a gift, it could be considered to be taken under influence.

For example I just googled for an example and found the Tesco code of business conduct policy.

See page 25/26 of PDF
http://www.tescoplc.com/assets/files/cms/Code_of_business_conduct_2015.pdf

Gifts & Entertainment
The giving and receiving of modest gifts or
entertainment is an important part of building
relationships with suppliers and other parties.
However, this should never influence – or appear
to influence – our business decisions in
any way. We will never seek or apply any
influence in exchange for promises, gifts or any
other inducements, no matter what the local
business practices might be in the countries in
which we operate.
Any gift or entertainment given or received must
be appropriate, be approved in accordance with
our policy, and where required must be logged in
the local gift register.

With regards to moonlighting, where I work only some forms of moonlighting are allowed. I'd be surprised if Nintendo didn't have some terms or guidance around their policy.

 

[schaft0620]

Part of my job is to handle legal issues when an employee gets termed. I have no idea if this girl is in the US or not but, if she is telling even a part truth here she is going to sue Nintendo and not have to work for the next 5-10 years. All wrongful termination suits are an uphill battle from the employers standpoint and they have to prove just cause. Even then in some states she would still be entitled to a years pay.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Rapp may have thought that, but there was clearly some issue with the second job.

Whether it was a distraction or not in line with Nintendo's corporate philosophy doesn't really matter.

The only things that we know are that Nintendo felt that the job did not fit in with their corporate philosophy and that Nintendo does not have a policy that forbids having a second job. We know these things because the OP shows Nintendo saying the former (while saying nothing that would suggest specifically that having a second job is unacceptable), and Rapp saying the latter, and neither statement contradicts the other so it's likely that both are true. It's also more likely that your assumptions of what Nintendo's policies are are false and that Rapp's understanding of Nintendo's policies is true.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Putting a kid friendly company like Nintendo in the position where they have to defend and/or respond to your tweets on human sexuality was never going to end well.

From what I can surmise, that was the reason for her initial chaffing with management; the second job was the proverbial straw. Being a bad fit for a corporate job is a legitimate concern.

Part of my job is to handle legal issues when an employee gets termed. I have no idea if this girl is in the US or not but, if she is telling even a part truth here she is going to sue Nintendo and not have to work for the next 5-10 years. All wrongful termination suits are an uphill battle from the employers standpoint and they have to prove just cause. Even then in some states she would still be entitled to a years pay.

On what grounds would she be suing? It's an at will employment state, they didn't even need to give a reason.

 

[gingerbeardman]

Part of my job is to handle legal issues when an employee gets termed. I have no idea if this girl is in the US or not but, if she is telling even a part truth here she is going to sue Nintendo and not have to work for the next 5-10 years. All wrongful termination suits are an uphill battle from the employers standpoint and they have to prove just cause. Even then in some states she would still be entitled to a years pay.

To me it sounds like she got angry and offered to quit and they accepted, rather than was fired?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Having a second job in and of itself is a perfectly acceptable reason for dismissal from the first job.

We can decry the harassment while admitting the termination may have been justified.

No its not. Which is why most companies including Nintendo allow it as long as there is no conflict of interest. This logic is batshit insane. Its equivalent to "you're our slave even if we domt pay you enough to survive". Awful view, its literal corporate pandering.

 

[Saoshyant]

Part of my job is to handle legal issues when an employee gets termed. I have no idea if this girl is in the US or not but, if she is telling even a part truth here she is going to sue Nintendo and not have to work for the next 5-10 years. All wrongful termination suits are an uphill battle from the employers standpoint and they have to prove just cause. Even then in some states she would still be entitled to a years pay.

She's in the US and, I believe (from her twits) that, she took a severance package, which wouldn't give her room to sue Nintendo for wrongful termination.

The only things that we know are that Nintendo felt that the job did not fit in with their corporate philosophy and that Nintendo does not have a policy that forbids having a second job. We know these things because the OP shows Nintendo saying the former (while saying nothing that would suggest specifically that having a second job is unacceptable), and Rapp saying the latter, and neither statement contradicts the other so it's likely that both are true. It's also more likely that your assumptions of what Nintendo's policies are are false and that Rapp's understanding of Nintendo's policies is true.

From the way she described it, she was fully aware her side job would conflict pretty badly with Nintendo and their all-ages image to the point she did so in secrecy under an alias, which was then uncovered by one of the harassers and presented to NOA.

 

[StarStabbedMoon]

Hilarious that people are bending over backwards to absolve a global corporation over a woman who was fired within a couple months of her honeymoon, during which she was relentlessly harassed. Wielding a PR statement as evidence no less, which by pointing out that NOA doesn't need a reason to fire her in Washington only confirms the statement is complete BS.

To any closet gators out there too spineless to come out in the open: Nintendo is still pro-censorship. Congrats.

 

[navy]

How can you even determine that the nature of the second job wasn't a valid reason for terminating her contract without knowing what that second job was?

I think this needs to be answered. Is it not odd she didn't say what the 2nd job was?

 

[schaft0620]

She's in the US and, I believe (from her twits) that, she took a severance package, which wouldn't give her room to sue Nintendo for wrongful termination.

Sorry I never saw that wow big mistake if she truly feels wronged.

Putting a kid friendly company like Nintendo in the position where they have to defend and/or respond to your tweets on human sexuality was never going to end well.

From what I can surmise, that was the reason for her initial chaffing with management; the second job was the proverbial straw. Being a bad fit for a corporate job is a legitimate concern.



On what grounds would she be suing? It's an at will employment state, they didn't even need to give a reason.

Lets put it this way, I have dealt with a case where an employee in an at will state called out of work regularly to go work their second job, did some other nasty things that were much worse, we fired this person they sued and we lost.

 

[partyphone]

I think this needs to be answered. Is it not odd she didn't say what the 2nd job was?

she was doing it anonymously and the only reason nintendo found out is because gamergate sifted through her entire life with a finetooth comb.

 

[MrBadger]

I think this needs to be answered. Is it not odd she didn't say what the 2nd job was?

Regardless of what it was, without the smear campaign, it wouldn't have been relevant at all.

 

[Dr Amazon MD]

I think this needs to be answered. Is it not odd she didn't say what the 2nd job was?

I think her tweets say it all.

 

[jonno394]

she was doing it anonymously and the only reason nintendo found out is because gamergate sifted through her entire life with a finetooth comb.

People keep saying this, but there is nothing concrete to support this event.

 

[80s Bad Guy]

I think this needs to be answered. Is it not odd she didn't say what the 2nd job was?

Feels almost like an admission of guilt.

I'm not happy she was fired, but I took the time to read through her thesis and it was hot garbage. I honestly wouldn't hire her.

At the same time it sucks the bad guys won.

 

[stump sock]

I assume a wishlist is a list of things she wants but can't buy herself.

It comes down to ethics. Accepting a gift could be considered unethical, as it could be a bribe rather than a gift.
And even if it's a gift, it could be considered to be taken under influence.

In a lot of cases it wouldn't be a problem, but it gets extra hairy when you're in PR or sales. I'm in IT, nobody's going to give a shit if I get gifts because I have nothing to do with how the business gains or loses customers.

even still, I doubt it was a big deal here, even if it was probably frowned upon.

 

[DomsPlaying]

Nintendo failing to properly address issues with harassment does not insulate her from consequences of intentionally breaching parameters of her contract.

Her being terminated for breach of contract doesn't justify Nintendo's silence on the harassment of its employees.

It's simple, really.

I came in here to express this sentiment, but I can't say it any better so I'm quoting you. Well-said and it touches on both sides of this very sensitive situation.

 

[bishopcruz]

Can't believe how Nintendo and GG fucked over this woman, and now we're diving into her past and litigating the merits of her second employment.

You're crazy if you think this is standard or would happen to a dude. This industry is so toxic for women and the male privilege is palpable.

Yep, stuff like this never happens to men in this industry. You are totally right.

Look, I'm not a fan of the whole everything on Social media being something you can be fired for, but it is what it is. I have had good friends in a friggen nursing program that have to worry about images of them with alcohol on their Facebook and Twitter because it could, in certain circumstances get them thrown out of their school. It gets even worse when they have a job. Companies are VERY strict about social media nowadays, and I wish they weren't but it is what it is.

People have been fired for less than what she commented on on her twitter, and I don't even think what she was arguing for regarding loli stuff was that bad. But considering she was a face of NoA, part of their PR, and controversial to boot would have gotten her tossed from most companies. The fact that she moonlighted at something that Nintendo thought reflected badly on the company image likely sealed her fate.

I hope she does well in the future, no one deserves the apparent harassment she received.

 

[A Link to the Past]

She's in the US and, I believe (from her twits) that, she took a severance package, which wouldn't give her room to sue Nintendo for wrongful termination.



From the way she described it, she was fully aware her side job would conflict pretty badly with Nintendo and their all-ages image to the point she did so in secrecy under an alias, which was then uncovered by one of the harassers and presented to NOA.

I am only discussing it as it relates to the idea that moonlighting in any context may be against Nintendo's policies.

Yep, stuff like this never happens to men in this industry. You are totally right.

Look, I'm not a fan of the whole everything on Social media being something you can be fired for, but it is what it is. I have had good friends in a friggen nursing program that have to worry about images of them with alcohol on their Facebook and Twitter because it could, in certain circumstances get them thrown out of their school. It gets even worse when they have a job. Companies are VERY strict about social media nowadays, and I wish they weren't but it is what it is.

People have been fired for less than what she commented on on her twitter, and I don't even think what she was arguing for regarding loli stuff was that bad. But considering she was a face of NoA, part of their PR, and controversial to boot would have gotten her tossed from most companies. The fact that she moonlighted at something that Nintendo thought reflected badly on the company image likely sealed her fate.

I hope she does well in the future, no one deserves the apparent harassment she received.

Literally never has anyone claimed in this thread that men were never harassed by. OTOH, people have been trying to pull "whataboutisms" for male harassment, ignoring

1. That being a man is never the reason why a man would be harassed by GG, and
2. That (for instance) Zoe Quinn has literally 10s of thousands of more mentions in #GamerGate than Nathan Grayson, even though their alleged mission statement suggests that he should be a much bigger priority for them.

EDIT: Wait nm, you literally replied to a poster talking about a woman being harassed, threatened, stalked, and fired by pointing out a guy who was fired.

 

[navy]

she was doing it anonymously and the only reason nintendo found out is because gamergate sifted through her entire life with a finetooth comb.

There is no proof of this. It might be true, but that doesnt mean Nintendo is wrong for firing her just because the info came from gg.

Regardless of what it was, without the smear campaign, it wouldn't have been relevant at all.

How do you know this?

C'mon look at her tweets and take a guess. It's not hard to figure out really.

You tell us then.

Feels almost like an admission of guilt.

I'm not happy she was fired, but I took the time to read through her thesis and it was hot garbage. I honestly wouldn't hire her.

At the same time it sucks the bad guys won.

I feel bad for her, but at the same time if she was doing something that she knew could get her fired...

 

[SeanR1221]

People keep saying this, but there is nothing concrete to support this event.

Loosely following this story, unless I'm missing something obvious, I don't think that assumption can be made.

The range of stuff that can get you fired spans from fairly innocent to highly illegal.

What if she was doing translation work for another company? I dunno. It could be as simple as that.

 

[Yoshi]

What if she was doing translation work for another company? I dunno. It could be as simple as that.

In conflict with Nintendo's corporate culture? Translation work? Unlikely. Of course this depends on what she was translating, but I seriously doubt that.

 

[Anteo]

How do you know this?

Read the tweets, she said because of the GG campaing, they took a look at her tweets and decided she should not be a spokeperson anymore because of them (she wasnt fired at this point yet).

The GG campaing damaged her relationship with Nintendo.

 

[Alo0oy]

So from what I understand it, moonlighting is generally fine for Nintendo, but because Alison's second job is something they "disagree" with, she was fired?

Anybody that says the same thing would have happened if it was a dude is being dishonest. The only reason Gamergate started stalking her was because she's a woman.

I hope another company steps in and hires her.

 

[KingV]

Loosely following this story, unless I'm missing something obvious, I don't think that assumption can be made.

The range of stuff that can get you fired spans from fairly innocent to highly illegal.

What if she was doing translation work for another company? I dunno. It could be as simple as that.

The range of jobs you can take under an assumed name is pretty small, it would have to be something sort of unofficial or contract, since you need to fill out employment paperwork with identification usually for most jobs.

 

[Anteo]

The range of jobs you can take under an assumed name is pretty small, it would have to be something sort of unofficial or contract, since you need to fill out employment paperwork with identification usually for most jobs.

Maybe it was the kind of job she took with her real name, but it was credited to an alias? So unless you had inside info of the job, regular people would not find out?

 

[navy]

Read the tweets, she said because of the GG campaing, they took a look at her tweets and decided she should not be a spokeperson anymore because of them (she wasnt fired at this point yet).

The GG campaing damaged her relationship with Nintendo.

Yeah, but they didnt fire her when it was therir full right to do so at that time.

And I read her tweets. She conveniently left out what job she was doing that led to her termination. If she wants our support that detail needs to be known.

 

[navy]

So from what I understand it, moonlighting is generally fine for Nintendo, but because Alison's second job is something they "disagree" with, she was fired?

Anybody that says the same thing would have happened if it was a dude is being dishonest. The only reason Gamergate started stalking her was because she's a woman.

I hope another company steps in and hires her.

Im pretty sure whatever her other job is will stop her from getting hired in most companies

 

[Alo0oy]

Yeah, but they didnt fire her when it was therir full right to do so at that time.

And I read her tweets. She conveniently left out what job she was doing that led to her termination. If she wants our support that detail needs to be known.

Why does that matter? Unless her second job is something illegal, it's nobody's right to know what her second job is, and it's unfair to hold her to a different standard than male employees.

 

[d9b]

What's all this about her vocal views on child pornograpy? Is it true?

 

[SeanR1221]

In conflict with Nintendo's corporate culture? Translation work? Unlikely. Of course this depends on what she was translating, but I seriously doubt that.

The range of jobs you can take under an assumed name is pretty small, it would have to be something sort of unofficial or contract, since you need to fill out employment paperwork with identification usually for most jobs.

Im just thinking of my job, which is contract work. If I took private work we could have contracted, Id be let go. She could have contracted with someone outside of her network and requested her name be kept private.

Who knows! Saying it goes against the corporate culture could even mean translating a rated M game for all I know.

My main point is, theres a huge range of why someone can get fired. She could have done something fairly mundane or she's a cam girl. Or she's slinging cocaine. Hell if I know.

Why does that matter? Unless her second job is something illegal, it's nobody's right to know what her second job is, and it's unfair to hold her to a different standard than male employees.

And she's smart to keep it that way. It's between her and Nintendo and her future employer.

 

[jholmes]

In the previous thread I said I didn't have much interest in laying blame and I still don't, but this:

Hilarious that people are bending over backwards to absolve a global corporation over a woman who was fired within a couple months of her honeymoon, during which she was relentlessly harassed. Wielding a PR statement as evidence no less, which by pointing out that NOA doesn't need a reason to fire her in Washington only confirms the statement is complete BS.

To any closet gators out there too spineless to come out in the open: Nintendo is still pro-censorship. Congrats.

...I am absolutely sick of and I'm not the only one. This secret GamerGater witch-hunt shit needs to stop. Sometimes people just disagree with you. Have the maturity to accept that without ascribing clandestine motivations to total strangers on the Internet.

 

[joedick]

I just sent a message to Nintendo to express my disappointment. If anybody feels the same way I encourage you to do so as well.

It doesn't have to be black & white: there is room to be a Nintendo fan and be upset with the situation. Please don't see the two as mutually exclusive and allow that to prevent you from voicing your frustration.

Personally, I understand that Ms. Rapp may have been terminated with reason (I don't know the details and frankly that part of it is none of my business), but in my eyes Nintendo has not done anything to stand up to the bullies.

 

[Lime]

Name one. Link me up to a story where this protection happened. And link me up to one where the topic was a dangerous as child-pornography.

Haha, I don't have one with CP, as that is way too particular.

Oh well, if a foundation, with the purpose of fighting sex-trafficking, child-pornography, etc., is going to stirr up the mass media and public about your company defending someone related to such stuff, and conveniently not mention and/or know about all that stuff not being true, then it won't be a good company to work for very soon.

This is the real problem, a director of such a foundation doing work FOR the GG fuckers. This is really giving them a valid way of continuing with this shit.

The real problem is the lack of labor regulations that ensure that companies like Nintendo can't fire their employees over false accusations by witch hunts run by hate movements. Regardless of the Foundation's involvement in it.

 

[Alo0oy]

Im pretty sure whatever her other job is will stop her from getting hired in most companies

We don't know what her second job is, if it's not illegal I'd love for one of the other big 3 (MS or Sony) hires her just to stick it to GG. What are they gonna do? Boycot them?

 

[navy]

Why does that matter? Unless her second job is something illegal, it's nobody's right to know what her second job is, and it's unfair to hold her to a different standard than male employees.

How do you know the 2nd job isnt illegal?

Nintendo has fired male employees for less. Stop it. Nintendo doesnt care about her gender, even if GG does.

 

[Nephix]

So from what I understand it, moonlighting is generally fine for Nintendo, but because Alison's second job is something they "disagree" with, she was fired?

Anybody that says the same thing would have happened if it was a dude is being dishonest. The only reason Gamergate started stalking her was because she's a woman.

I hope another company steps in and hires her.

Remember reading some news a few weeks back about a teacher at a school who had a second job as a porn actor.
Some anonymous person told the school and he was fired.

Doxxing and stalking happens on both sides ( if there are sides? ), although yes Gamergrubers perfected the art.

But in general fuck anyone who doxxes and stalks people for a living.

 

[Dicktatorship]

In the previous thread I said I didn't have much interest in laying blame and I still don't, but this:



...I am absolutely sick of and I'm not the only one. This secret GamerGater witch-hunt shit needs to stop. Sometimes people just disagree with you. Have the maturity to accept that without ascribing clandestine motivations to total strangers on the Internet.

Says the GamerGater!

 

[Alo0oy]

Remember reading some news a few weeks back about a teacher at a school who had a second job as a porn actor.
Some anonymous person told the school and he was fired.

Doxxing and stalking happens on both sides ( if there are sides? ), although yes Gamergrubers perfected the art.

But in general fuck anyone who doxxes and stalks people for a living.

Sure, some dudes might get that too, but women get that type of harassment far more, if she was a dude she wouldn't have been stalked and "investigated" in the first place.

 

[navy]

Sure, some dudes might get that too, but women get that type of harassment far more, if she was a dude she wouldn't have been stalked and "investigated" in the first place.

How do you know this? There is nothing to suggest this.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

Why does that matter? Unless her second job is something illegal, it's nobody's right to know what her second job is, and it's unfair to hold her to a different standard than male employees.

I've said it like 20 times but while most companies dont care if you have a.second job, your jobs cant pose conflict of interest. If it potentially could you are expected to disclose what it is. This makes sense.

Now we dont know what it is nor do I think we should care really but the idea that what the job is doesnt matter to the company is hella naive.

 

[Alo0oy]

How do you know the 2nd job isnt illegal?

Nintendo has fired male employees for less. Stop it. Nintendo doesnt care about her gender, even if GG does.

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

 

[UCBooties]

What's all this about her vocal views on child pornograpy? Is it true?

She wrote a thesis is college that examined the fairly thin research about the link between countries that have harsh CP laws and their rates of child exploitation vs countries that have lax CP laws. She argued that countries that are more permissive (her example was Japan) actually have lower rates of exploitation in the form of sex abuse and abduction than countries such as the US with harsher laws.

She argued that because of this we could infer that the US pressuring Japan to have harsher CP laws has less to do with actual concern for the well-being of children and more to do with pushing American sexual mores onto a different culture. She also argued that depictions of child or teen sexuality that do not involve harm to an actual child (read: drawn, animated, cg, or written) should not carry the same penalties as actual child exploitation.

As for her being vocal about these views, when the thesis was dug up by GG she defended the stance on twitter. There was a thread with a lot more details. and I'll edit this post when I find the link.

Edit: Link to thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1192693&highlight=alison+rapp

Update at the bottom of the OP has a lot of the info so you don't have to wade through that graveyard of a thread.

 

[navy]

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

You're just guessing looking for a reason to be mad.

You dont know what Nintendo would do in that case. Firing her is enough, they dont have to send her to jail.

 

[Kageshinzo]

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

Or maybe, it was a job that was counter to the culture of her main job. You seem pretty adamant that Nintendo wouldn't fire the person if it was a man. Do you have any specific idea what it could be, then?

 

[Nephix]

Sure, some dudes might get that too, but women get that type of harassment far more, if she was a dude she wouldn't have been stalked and "investigated" in the first place.

I mean I guess I'm lucky to come from a place where it isn't like that but could you provide a source for your claims?

 

[partyphone]

hee second job didn't matter untul they needed an excuse to fire her.

 

[Calamari41]

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

You don't have to report an employee to the authorities if you find out they did something illegal outside of your workplace. If you can quote the applicable law to me then I will gladly stand corrected.

 

[pezley]

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

Not if the second job goes against their principals.

As mentioned before, there has just been a case in the UK where a lecturer was fired for having a second job as a porn actor.

Rightly or wrongly, this was against the universities principals.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

If her second job was illegal, Nintendo would have reported her to the authorities, if they didn't, they'd be in trouble too.

And because she wasn't reported to the authorities, that means her second job wasn't illegal, thus she was being judged on an unfair standard.

This doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't have to be illegal for them to justly fire her.