PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)

Mushroom021 said:
2 ways that I hate this.

1. The lesser version could run less so where the game simply isn't as good. Ps3 ports of ps4 games are mostly garbage unless that game was considerably scaled down in advance with ps3 in mind. For example shadows of mordor. Its insane to believe devs won't want to max this thing, which in turn could strongly hurt the ps4 version- tearing, poor IQ, choppy framerate, etc.

2. Vr experiences. Graphics don't matter to a lot of people, but there's no doubt visuals play a massive role in the vr experience. If the rumors are true about for instance gtsport... Then psvr on the ps4 simply won't be able to run gtsport to a satisfactory level. The visuals will be significantly gimped.
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Regarding the "gimped" PS4 version of any game in particular. That version is not going to be any worse off because a PS4K version exists. It'll look the same either way. The only difference is the abundance of salt in the eyes that there's an even better version out there that you're not playing.

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Chitown B said:
exactly. Look at BLOPS on X1 vs BLOPS on 360.

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Ok, I take that point. Pretty hilarious!
 
Bl4ckSunsh1n3 said:
Yeah, at first. At some point the 4K will take on the lead development however and the experience on the PS4 will not be what it would have been if it were still the lead. If you think that isn't going to happen then I don't know what to say.
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exactly. Look at BLOPS on X1 vs BLOPS on 360.

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wapplew said:
Why not wait another 1.5 years and release a much poweful PS5 instead, we used to traditional gen, no one will complaint thier PS4 can't play PS5 games.
Also PS4 just starting to get good this year, ND and SMM still haven't release one proper title on it!
Yes, physically it will be 3 and half year, but it felt like this gen just started!
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We are hitting the silicon wall for chips it going to be harder and harder to get more power in new consoles .
So this could also be a way to make the gen last longer in some ways .
 
Bl4ckSunsh1n3 said:
I don't entirely disagree. If you look at the PS3, however, there is precedent for them to take their user base for granted and make terrible decisions.

Like I said in another post...the PS4 is not going to die off. It's not some doomsday scenario where we're all screwed. But, to think that there won't be any effect on PS4 games because of the PS4K is, in my opinion, incredibly naive.

Me, personally, I plan on playing my PS4 until it either A) dies or B) I can no longer get exclusives on it. I won't ever upgrade to a 4K. I won't buy a 5 because I'll wait for the 5.5, then I'll jump in again after my stock 4 is no longer useful. The only difference is that I now will buy all multi-platform games on PC and use my PS4 only for games I can't get anywhere else. I probably should have been doing that already, to be honest. I bought a little too much into the Sony ecosystem and it's time to pull back the reigns and hedge my bets more.
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Fair enough

I don't mind if people hold sony to task, there can never be enough of that.
They've shown to be complacent dickheads in the past whenever they're ahead (and to abuse their lead whenever they have it)

Keep demanding value for your money (ps4 in this case), more power to the consumer.
 
It's just really hard for me to fathom people being upset over Playstation giving the OPTION of a better console.

Like, just try to get it in your head, you don't have to buy this. Playstation will keep supporting the base PS4 not because they are nice people, but because it makes business sense. Crapping all over 40+million PS4 owners doesn't make $ sense which trumps everything. MANY of the 40+million though would like the opportunity to buy an advanced piece of technology that takes advantage of the technology increases that happen in every sector besides consoles.

It's like every other piece of technology that updates frequently (phones, tv's, cars, computers, etc.), you have the freewill to think for yourself and buy this if you want it. This idea that "change is happening too quickly" is just an archaic approach in the world of technology, and it's amazing we've gotten this far without consoles embracing change like everything else has.
 
TheSpecialOne said:
Please explain how my post is ridiculous. Apart from my opinion on the ps4 library, I don't see how anything I've said is contentious.

- The ps4 released with under powered hardware and I consider this not to be debatable. There were many forum posts complaining about it during the final specs annoucement and we've seen the result in the games. Games that struggle to hold a 30 fps frame-rate this early into the gen.

-There have been several articles of recent questioning the value of ps plus on the ps4. Microsoft's GWG has be subjectively better and they allow you to keep the games after your subscription elapses.

-If we compare Microsoft's online infrastructure and Sony's, we can see that one suffers outages with less frequency than the other. Again, one is factually better.

-If we look just at this forum alone, the issue surrounding the ps4's launch controllers are well documented. Poor battery life, Analog sticks wearing out, Triggers getting stuck and etc are some of the many issues that plagued the launch of the ds4.

Again, the only opinionated issue I put forward in my previous argument is the quality of the games. If you think that the games are excellent, that's fine but there is evidence to support other parts of my argument.
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Your argument comes down to you having issues with certain things and then using whatever evidence to validate it contrary to belief. The fact that you think the only thing you actually said that was opinionated was the quality of games and not your assessment of the hardware (which is sill magnitudes more then PS3), articles questioning the value of PS+ (which is basically people whining they aren't getting brand new AAA games every month), comparing infrastructures (another opinion), and then build quality (once again taking anecdotes of a forum as gospel), speaks volumes.
 
Scrotum Phillips said:
It's just really hard for me to fathom people being upset over Playstation giving the OPTION of a better console.

Like, just try to get it in your head, you don't have to buy this. Playstation will keep supporting the base PS4 not because they are nice people, but because it makes business sense. Crapping all over 40+million PS4 owners doesn't make $ sense which trumps everything. MANY of the 40+million though would like the opportunity to buy an advanced piece of technology that takes advantage of the technology increases that happen in every sector besides consoles.

It's like every other piece of technology that updates frequently (phones, tv's, cars, computers, etc.), you have the freewill to think for yourself and buy this if you want it. This idea that "change is happening too quickly" is just an archaic approach in the world of technology, and it's amazing we've gotten this far without consoles embracing change like everything else has.
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Source?
 
The problem with a trade-in program that's manufacturer driven rather than retailer driven is that the economics very likely won't work out. Maybe I'm not fully understanding how the model would work, but if we assume Sony lets you send back your old console and buy the new one for, I don't know, $200, they'd very likely eat at least $50 (if not more) on that replaced unit.

That's fine for a few million people, but if we assume the PS4 install base is 50 million by the time PS4K comes out and 30 million of those people take advantage of the trade-in, that's like $1.5 billion. Microsoft will have the same issue, of course, albeit to a lesser extent as they've sold fewer units.

But you get what I'm saying. It's easy to say it's anti-consumer or whatever, but the financials don't add up. They're better working with GameStop on trade-in deals, as at least there's a sell-on path there, as there'll continue to be a market for used PS4 consoles.
 
FiveMinuteHero said:
I am sure Sony would love us to make us buy a newer version of their consoles every year if they could.
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Just won't happen though due to development costs and sales numbers won't add up to gain profit, they would lose money or possibly close their doors since no one will buy them anymore
 
Sony is making a tiny huge mistake here. They need to hold this shit off for the PS5 when they can just design the console to be upgradeable. They've lost me as a customer with this shit.
 
Fafalada said:
Ignoring high-level middleware monoliths for a second, most device APIs come with standard type of queries like this - we could query CPU information (ID, Mhz etc.) at least as far back as PS2.
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That's true, and there is a generic 'catch-all' base class to handle any runtime on there. But it's the only evidence I can find of a console getting its own specific implementation in UE4 , and it's just been added most recently. One wonders why they bothered. Maybe means nothing but kind of jumped out at me in the current news context :)
 
People saying they're going over to PC gaming because they don't like incremental upgrades is pretty hilarious.

This isn't Sony greedily fragmenting the market, it's rather them giving VR bigger wings before PS5. Also, updating a quickly aging architecture.

Remember, tech advances exponentially, not linearly. This was inevitable.

Like it or not, it's what's best for the industry.

BTW, that BLOPS picture is an excellent example of confirmation bias.
 
Muzicfreq said:
Let me guess, your uncle works at Sony in the PlayStation division
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Bro this is happening whether you like it or not. And it will sell like hot shit just like the elite controller did despite people on here speaking of doom and who the hell would buy a fucking controller for $150.
 
I wasnt going to comment in this thread because I dont have a PS4 and I probably won't be able to afford a PS4K either, but:

I am quite surprised at the meltdown on Neogaf today. I had this idea in mind that the majority of people here would be ecstatic about this. I feel that every other thread here is either about resolution or framerate. 1080/60. All day, every day. Now, when it came out that Sony was preparing a 4K machine, I expected people to cheer. Not quite. Maybe I got it wrong. Are so many gaffers hurting for money? I didn't think this was the case...again, people here seem to be the earliest or the earlier adopters...maybe not?

In a way, I am quite please with the backlash. Maybe there will be less console and PC warrioring going forward? That would be a nice outcome of this whole debacle...
 
Scrotum Phillips said:
It's just really hard for me to fathom people being upset over Playstation giving the OPTION of a better console.

Like, just try to get it in your head, you don't have to buy this. Playstation will keep supporting the base PS4 not because they are nice people, but because it makes business sense. Crapping all over 40+million PS4 owners doesn't make $ sense which trumps everything. MANY of the 40+million though would like the opportunity to buy an advanced piece of technology that takes advantage of the technology increases that happen in every sector besides consoles.

It's like every other piece of technology that updates frequently (phones, tv's, cars, computers, etc.), you have the freewill to think for yourself and buy this if you want it. This idea that "change is happening too quickly" is just an archaic approach in the world of technology, and it's amazing we've gotten this far without consoles embracing change like everything else has.
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I really truly think the problem is because it's so early and there hasn't been that great of games on it yet, in the minds of many. There have been some really good and some great ones. Bloodborne, for example. But, I'm assuming for a lot of people, they just haven't gotten to use it like they wanted and all of a sudden here comes a newer, better one.

There has been no GT, the first Uncharted is just now releasing, etc, etc. This gen thus far hasn't been stellar on games to this point is an argument you see here and other places all of the time. The argument then put forth is, well it's early. Except it's not really early now. New hardware is coming.

To them they probably should have just waited but, they had no idea that this change would be coming so they didn't.

In the future, this iterative cycle will be no problem because people will know. They can decide to wait for the 5.5 or jump early on the 5 or whatever. It's the introduction of it, and the timing of that introduction coupled with the perceived value of what they've gotten, that I believe is causing the anger.

Another issue here is the time it takes to release a game. Each gen it seems to have gotten progressively longer as the games have gotten bigger. If hardware is to be upgraded every 3 years you might hit a point where you see 2 or 3 actual exclusives that are really good in those 3 years.
 
Lima said:
Bro this is happening whether you like it or not. And it will sell like hot shit just like the elite controller did despite people on here speaking of doom and who the hell would buy a fucking controller for $150.
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But my PS4 is now garbage. Less than garbage. It sitting on my shelf is an offensive mockery of me as a person!
/s
 
YN12 said:
I wasnt going to comment in this thread because I dont have a PS4 and I probably won't be able to afford a PS4K either, but:

I am quite surprised at the meltdown on Neogaf today. I had this idea in mind that the majority of people here would be ecstatic about this. I feel that every other thread here is either about resolution or framerate. 1080/60. All day, every day. Now, when it came out that Sony was preparing a 4K machine, I expected people to cheer. Not quite. Maybe I got it wrong. Are so many gaffers hurting for money? I didn't think this was the case...again, people here seem to be the earliest or the earlier adopters...maybe not?

In a way, I am quite please with the backlash. Maybe there will be less console and PC warrioring going forward? That would be a nice outcome of this whole debacle...
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Where there is internet there is outrage. Always.

Big Gulps Huh? said:
My theory is the PS4K is Sony's anticipatory reaction to what the NX actually is
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LOL.

Assuming this is a joke post.
 
Lima said:
Bro this is happening whether you like it or not. And it will sell like hot shit just like the elite controller did despite people on here speaking of doom and who the hell would buy a fucking controller for $150.
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This isn't an Elite Controller situation at all. It's not going to go over well when Sony tells the average consumer they need to drop another $500 if they want the best experience on a platform they just barely invested a bunch of money into. If I knew I was going to pay $400 for a subpar experience I would have never bought a PS4 at all or at least waited. Sony can't seem to keep their head on straight when they in the #1 spot.
 
Godaisempai said:
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LOL, bullshit. PS4 early adopters in Germany paid 400 bucks for their PS4. Now it costs 350 and you'll still get a decent price for a used one. First buyers are actually those who benefited the most from their purchase. Their console will be already 3 years old when they get the opportunity to upgrade to PS4k. If I just bought a new one, maybe in anticipation of Uncharted 4, then that might be reason to be pissed, but only because this move is so unexpected. If I buy a new Apple iPad than I am well aware that it will get a successor in a couple of month.

If they introduce a PS5 I'll buy it right away, just to be able to use it for 2-3 years.
 
Scrotum Phillips said:
It's like every other piece of technology that updates frequently (phones, tv's, cars, computers, etc.), you have the freewill to think for yourself and buy this if you want it. This idea that "change is happening too quickly" is just an archaic approach in the world of technology, and it's amazing we've gotten this far without consoles embracing change like everything else has.
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Not about ps4.5 in particular but there is nothing wrong with niches. Sometimes a product is different because it's its own thing and that is what people appreciate about it.

Not everything has to change constantly and not everything has to work the same way.

I don't really think a ps4.5 has any effect on the niche console gaming has.

I'd argue there has been a lot of erosion in other ways, like games no being polished out of the box but requiring patches, long installation times instead of put in the disc and play, the focus on online play over local multiplayer etc. A lot of the things that made a console unique and worthwhile have kind of been forgotten.


Again, I don't see how a ps4.5 would tamper with the niche that consoles fill, but you shouldn't knock the concept of something remaining unique.
 
Vegetable Lasagna said:
This isn't an Elite Controller situation at all. It's not going to go over well when Sony tells the average consumer they need to drop another $500 if they want the best experience on a platform they just barely invested a bunch of money into. If I knew I was going to pay $400 for a subpar experience I would have never bought a PS4.
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Nothing will change about your PS4 once the 4K comes out.

Nothing at all.

Netherscourge said:
I still think is all an April Fools Day joke.
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It still isn´t.
 
Scrotum Phillips said:
Wait, you're doubting that a percentage of the current PS4 owners wouldn't be interested in a more powerful PS4? I mean, come on.

Also, very likely to attract new buyers that want to watch their newly purchased 4K content/play a beefier PS4 with newer tech.
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I guess it depends on what you mean by "MANY", but I doubt the PS4K would be a big seller, especially considering that the original PS4 will be a lot cheaper.
 
Scrotum Phillips said:
Wait, you're doubting that a percentage of the current PS4 owners wouldn't be interested in a more powerful PS4? I mean, come on.

Also, very likely to attract new buyers that want to watch their newly purchased 4K content/play a beefier PS4 with newer tech.
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Its the PS1 - CD player; PS2 - DVD player; PS3 - Blu Ray player all over again. I wouldnt be surprised if this gets bought just for that alone. And some looking at it as playing games as an added bonus.
 
Vegetable Lasagna said:
This isn't an Elite Controller situation at all. It's not going to go over well when Sony tells the average consumer they need to drop another $500 if they want the best experience on a platform they just barely invested a bunch of money into. If I knew I was going to pay $400 for a subpar experience I would have never bought a PS4 at all or at least waited. Sony can't seem to keep their head on straight when they in the #1 spot.
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Exhibit A.
 
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