jimbobsmells
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Why no buy if 4k? I'm one of those people who doesn't understand the difference!
PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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THE:MILKMAN
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I've wondered that many times in the past and it basically has been laughed at and been said these things don't work like that. Even if it was the case, wouldn't they leak via the gaming press rather than retail?
I am super curious about how they're going to market this.
I think it will be:
- Premium PS4 future proofed for all your 4K media needs.
- Will be marketed as the preferred console for your PSVR needs.
- Improved graphics and frame rates in some games will be a bullet point but not a main feature, and indeed I don't even see that power being utilised properly outside of VR stuff, and not til later in the gen for regular games.
- Fundamentally PS4 will be the core of the platform, Sony selling it as the cheaper cost of entry device but guaranteeing that it gets full support and promising NO exclusive PS4K games this generation. (Once PS5 is out this deal might be altered as many will have bought the PS4K as their first PS4 and many others will have transitioned up a few years from now, so some cross gen games might support PS4K but not the PS4 by then).
This is all wild guessing of course.
I think it will be:
- Premium PS4 future proofed for all your 4K media needs.
- Will be marketed as the preferred console for your PSVR needs.
- Improved graphics and frame rates in some games will be a bullet point but not a main feature, and indeed I don't even see that power being utilised properly outside of VR stuff, and not til later in the gen for regular games.
- Fundamentally PS4 will be the core of the platform, Sony selling it as the cheaper cost of entry device but guaranteeing that it gets full support and promising NO exclusive PS4K games this generation. (Once PS5 is out this deal might be altered as many will have bought the PS4K as their first PS4 and many others will have transitioned up a few years from now, so some cross gen games might support PS4K but not the PS4 by then).
This is all wild guessing of course.
Can you at least say if we are going to hear about this topic later this year?
I think that they're likely going to make the PS4K their initial UHD player offering as they didn't announce any UHD players at CES as far as I know. Tie more people into the PlayStation system for those who aren't current PS4 customers and offers a mid cycle upgrade for those who want it. They can then make more from selling services like plus etc.
I'd upgrade for 4K upscaling and the player if they have it at anywhere up to about £429. Nobody ever said that a console cycle had to be a set length and they're not abandoning the PS4 as I understand from the OP, this is just almost a pro version of it. Everything will still run on both consoles and the PS5 will probably be the massive leap based on what they learn from the 4.5.
They may impact their PS5 sales if people decide to wait for a 5.5 refresh though at the time if this becomes the norm.
Chobel
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E3? You know these leaks them will force to talk about PS4K this month, right? That WSJ article pretty much means Sony will have to talk about their PS4K plans in their earnings report in April 28th.
So much for "controlled".
Why are they forced to do so? Because people will ask during the earnings call? All I can see them saying is "we don't comment on rumors and speculation"
StrongBlackVine
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If devs were freely talking about it then Sony must not care or want the news out.
Glorified G
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Which would be hilarious if true. "Hey, all you people who have already pre ordered PSVR, by the way you probably need to buy this too."
Telling the 36 million+ PS4 owners that they should buy another $499 console on top of a pricey PSVR device in order to have the preferred experience. Sony might as well cancel the whole VR project now.
If anything, Sony should promote consistently (if true, who knows) how great the experience is on the OG PS4 and anything PS4K will bring is optional.
They aren't forced to do jack shit.
Demanufacture
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You think they should have waited for PS5 for VR?
WolfForager
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As long as the PS4 plays PS4k games I fail to see the problem here.
StrongBlackVine
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If you don't care about PlayStation exclusives why stick around? PC has tons of advantages. Obviously you don't care about tech either though so why does a newer model matter to you? You will get the same games on your OG PS4. Seems like I have said this a dozen times.
This is what is so baffling about the people so against the idea. If Sony was dropping support for PS4 it would be understandable. Being upset because some people will have a better PS4 than you do is petty.
So, just out of curiosity, how many of you supporting this idea are going to buy every new Sony/MS/Nin console from now on and maybe a second console? What's your tolerance threshold for launch cycles : 3 years? 2 years? Even less?
Our hobby definitely got way more expensive, if you want to keep up with the latest and greatest toys, that is.
Our hobby definitely got way more expensive, if you want to keep up with the latest and greatest toys, that is.
Cthulhu_Steev
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All those non-980ti owners holding back my Stick of Truth experience. I hate those guys.
Filthy Casual
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Just make it a PSV please
I'll feel better about myself buying one then
If we're going to get upgrades so soon now they might as well be really significant ones
Give us some good shit if you want us to keep spending our cash
I'll feel better about myself buying one then
If we're going to get upgrades so soon now they might as well be really significant ones
Give us some good shit if you want us to keep spending our cash
Here's how I think this should be handled in an ideal way:
- Sony informes the gaming community a week ahead about live stream presentation to happen, prior to Uncharted 4 release.
- Andrew House says a few words on consoles evolving and announces immediate PS4 price drop to $299 to ease whatever tension
- Get Mark Cerny on stage to explain benefits of console iteration model vs start-from-zero generations.
- Announce PS4K
- Make it crystal clear that PS4 and PS4K has a shared library. Devs cannot drop PS4 support until the next console model releases past PS4K w/3 year intervals.
- Devs strongly encouraged to optimize for PS4 first
- Detail new platform requirements to devs: Locked 60fps+ without fault for PSVR or else no certification (already in effect), 30fps maintained 99% of time minimum going forward for all standard PS4 games or else no certification.
- Show PS4K games in action
[*]"more details at E3 with pre-orders to follow"
Demanufacture
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PS5 having just double the power? Would be a bad idea.
StrongBlackVine
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I only care about PlayStation and PC now. With Microsoft's new plan I will likely never buy another Xbox. Nintendo hasn't had my interest in forever so we'll see how I feel about the NX whatever that is.
the_milkybar_kid
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I don't know how true this all is, but fuck this generation. They haven't even started getting a decent stream of games rolling out yet in my opinion.
THE:MILKMAN
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This could just be an experiment/one off. If FinFet is a success and shrinks/improvements come at regular intervals then by the time PS5 comes around it might be a lot easier for it to be more "cutting edge" at launch compared to PS4?
But how does the existence of a new model affect you? The games you buy will still work with the same graphics and gameplay that they always did before.
If you buy an Ipad Air and iPad Air 2 releases, the games you play on your Air still look the same as they did before. They don't magically become worse.
geordiemp
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Changing ps4 every time a new process or technology makes it worthwhile (3 years but next time could be 5 or 6) is not annual is it ?
I dont get all the 'fake' switch to PC threats
1.you are either in to PC gaming anyway, mods, 144 Hz G sync monitors, sli titans, ini and dll files, gaming with mouse at 144 Hz, Changing FOV for benefits to 150 deg, macros for optimising PVP actions....
2. You like a level playing field with everyone having same controller, same FOV, sitting in living room, no macros or mods or cheats. Maybe the guy against you has better AA / AF and better high res shadows. PUSH BUTTON TO START>
Most Ps4 PVP is 60 FPS anyway.
Explain it to me. I look into PC gaming because VIve looks cool, everything else about PC gaming is a big negative being a console gamer, and its 100 x worse than Ps4K.
Gaming has always kinda been expensive, I paid something like $800 Au for the PS One on release in the 90s. I had to work my arse off as a teen to get that machine. It feels a lot easier to get these new boxes now as an adult.
I finished uni, picked up a decent job, drive a BASIC as fuck car. I can afford these games and machines atm. I can live with a 3 year cycle. Personally.
Yes. VR is clearly in experimental stage. Why not go all in, best possible performance and visual fidelity? To enjoy this experience right now, which isn't even properly tested by game developers, you're going to need: VR device, controller, 4K TV and PS4K... that's a completely new entertainment system I might be able to afford after sitting on my paychecks for months and months.
Because I prefer consoles after ten or so years solely on PC? I think PS4 is a great gaming system and, naturally, you'd expect developers to push it to absolute limits somewhere in 2018-19, not this early in the game? This gives them green light to significantly cut the generation into half.
And I do care for PS exlusives, very much so. I'd follow Naughty Dog and Santa Monica (GOW4) wherever need be, but not like this... not this soon.
……forgetit
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Color me confused, UHD is a lower resolution than 4K, so why is 4K a no buy? Also expect it to be UHD sense that's what most "4K" TVs are.
That said as a tech enthusiast color me intrigued. If it's a significant upgrade I'll buy.
EricTheCleric
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Lol
I don't see how this would go over well at all considering the current market
StrongBlackVine
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You will still get all games. It just won't be the best version. It won't be much different from lowering settings on a PC, only you can't control what settings get adjusted. But as primarily console gamers we are used to that already.
Filthy Casual
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Yeah, I want the rumours to be wrong and this thing is actually a lot more powerful.
Just call this generation a mistake and release a really powerful machine, one that could last say 5 years
That would be an ideal generation length imo, I wouldn't mind spending £5-600, maybe even more a gen if I knew it would last me 5 years and give top performance all the way through
Thing with buying whatever this is is that the V would probably come out two years later so you're gonna be paying over a grand within the space of 5-6 years for consoles. I'm sure Sony are loving that idea but I'm not.
geordiemp
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It might not even be a new iterative model, ps4k is happening because we have 28 to 14 nm.
Lets face it, because of this 14 nm step change, more power for less heat and smaller, there will be allot of new hardware this year both in consoles, PC and laptop.
What we cannot predict is there will be major advances every 2-3 years making a change worthwhile and obvious.
Even HBM is not an obvious change needed for consoles if the have GDRR5x as that will be fast enough for the APU.
Only if it fails. From now on everyone will/should learn that the console you've just bought might not be the top of the line in 2-3 years. No company is going to sign a promise in this regard.
The roadmap for power demand is already pretty clear for the next 10 years:
VR,4K, 8K,....and then VR + 4K, VR+8K. PCs won't stop pushing the ceiling. What's the point of having a PS4K then? People here keep telling us that there won't be PS4K exclusive games. Will VR games with slightly improved visuals really cut it ?
jimbobsmells
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I think a 3 year cycle PS + a PC would be ideal for me. If MS continue on thier current trajectory then the PC will cover any Xbox games anyway. Anything less than 3 years starts to get too confusing for consumers and developers.
I know, that's the main problem here.
We're used to PC being more powerful, but this would be a completely new situation, it'll be like playing PS3 version of GTAV while the real deal is PS4 version.
Well that's not what I signed for when you sold me this supposedly magnificent box that would be enough for the next five or so years?
This smells like Apple doing new model of iPhone, only this is new ground for Sony. I wonder what will millions of PS4 owners think?
EricTheCleric
Member
a bit OT, so soon would be a good idea to upgrade my PC due to this?
jimbobsmells
Member
How can you call yourself a Filthy Casual with that attitude? Come on man!
StrongBlackVine
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Of course you don't because you are only looking at it from perspective of someone that doesn't want to upgrade and hates the idea of people having a better PS4 than you. Not everyone feels that way.
geordiemp
Member
We have 28 to 14 NM which is massive for CPU and GPU performance, but also die size and heat.
We also have Gdrr5x for double bandwidth.
Its a perfect storm for an improved hardware step for console, laptop, and every PC guy that ever was.
When will be the next worthwhile step or will we be stuck at 14 for the next 10 years ?/?
Never seen a polaris or Pascal thread on GAF lol ...I will give VIVE a try, and if its so much better I would build a PC just for that, and yes 14 nm means I could build a powerful much smaller PC latter half of 2016 is my understanding
You bought a console to play its games for the next 5+ years. Nothing has changed.
I don't really understand the logic being spouted by some people.
Vorg
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What don't you understand? Resources will be spread thin and the lowest common denominator will be the one to suffer.
This horrible mentality of if I dont want one, then nobody else can have one is absolute madness, so thank you for saying that.
Confused Cheeseburger
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This thread is still going strong and full of GAF-ness. "Call this generation a mistake". Really?
Filthy Casual
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Lol, maybe 6 years then.
I'd rather that then buy a console and not even 3 years down the line hearing that an upgraded version is coming out, implying that your console is clearly not good enough to last.
It has, everything has changed if they're giving developers twice the power of GPU this early in the game. They won't push the limits of current version as much as play with the latest version with ease. It's easy to see how this might shorten the generation significantly.
That's my point.
geordiemp
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Ah, so when Ps4K sells only 3 million in 2017 vs the 60-70 million Ps4 / XB1 then Ps4k will suffer parity and not get anything worthwhile ?
Or do you mean 3rd party devs will favour the 3 % of owners ? That would be funny, next they will be giving Nintendo exclusives...
What in the flying fuck is happening to this thread?
2.5 years in, approx 40 million PS4s in the wild.
Possible mid gen refresh = scrap generation.
.....I just cant