THR: Warner Bros. Mulls Releasing Fewer Films as 'Batman v. Superman' Stalls
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Then how are those Young Justice and Teen Titans shows so good
didn't they shoot the film last year?
pushing it back 2 years just confirms that it's being looked at as Seventh Son tier.
Hmm...
So the only reason fanboys (which I guess you're using very broadly to also include the majority of critics and audience goers) don't like Snyder is because they don't like films that aim to be art -- such as the works of Zack Snyder, otherwise this is a pointless tangent. That artistry is then defined as...
So as far as playing the wannabe film snob card goes, holding up Zack Snyder as an artist that the rest of us are just too dumb to fully appreciate is maybe not the best hill to die on.
And now think how they ended, both of them. Go on, tell me how Warner Brothers treats it's DC properties well.
Pop-O-Matic
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They aren't.
KonradLaw
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Lol, don't kid yourself, it's not the superhero movies that will be cut out, but everything else (with exception of Potter and Lego).
BronsonLee
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I always thought of it as a make good for Serkis for LOTR
Also I'm looking at the Apes stuff and goddddaaaaaamn. I've never seen any of the reboot series but it's doing really well for them
Alandrus Sun
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All art begins and ends with Zack Snyder.
SENPAIatLARGE
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Lest we forget all Snyder has done for us:
KonradLaw
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They're obviously plan on doing reshoots so they can connect it to Tarzan in a new shared cinematic universe!
God, Tarzan is going to flop so badly
diffusionx
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I think they get too caught up in trying to launch a franchise instead of just making a good film. I remember the first Iron Man... an entertaining movie that threw in some nods at the very end and the post credits.
BvS reminds me of Amazing Spiderman 2, really. They just threw in the kitchen sink thinking the mere existence of these characters would entice people to keep coming. The problem is you have to make a good film so people actually care what happens.
BvS reminds me of Amazing Spiderman 2, really. They just threw in the kitchen sink thinking the mere existence of these characters would entice people to keep coming. The problem is you have to make a good film so people actually care what happens.
Oh yeah, sure. They were cool. A lot of DC stuff was cool, until they killed it. They killed everything. Burned down my mansion of dreams. I am very much enjoying the whole Marvel Cinematic Universe with tv shows and all, because they want me to enjoy myself. Because the people seem to like their characters.
WB doesn't give a shit about the characters. They care for their money. Snyder doesn't give a shit about the characters. He wants to masturbate to pretty pictures.
Dash_Riprock
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The problem is now that the HP series has ended WB doesn't have the guaranteed money maker to make up for those that don't pay off.
BronsonLee
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Cartoon Network did that, b, they're the ones that cancelled those shows
Aren't Cartoon Network and Warner Brothers not ultimately of the same body?
Those are surprisingly good movies. I approve.
Extra Sauce
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Transformers.
They're crossing their fingers hard that Fantastic Beasts manages to capture the four-quadrant audience.
No, I'm claiming they don't care for it. I don't think general audiences care for it either. At least, not in the way Snyder views his art. The guy has good intentions but it's clear now that whatever he is going for in his movies (and it's ambitious stuff) isn't resonating with a wide audience. He's not capable of it. Snyder's movies are niche and they should be treated as such so maybe WB shouldn't give him 250 million if they don't want to be worried every single time he makes a movie.
And, man, there's a lot more to a good movie than pretty looking shots. I never said anything claiming otherwise. Snyder is no doubt great visually but there's a lot of ideas in his movies that usually back those images up. The guy is more than pretty shots. I believe that. That's why I like his movies.
Anyway, the original point is, if WB wants to make a lot of money, give these projects to people who aren't polarizing.
Pai Pai Master
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I mean it's kinda like getting mad at Sony Interactive Entertainment because of something Sony Pictures does
Dash_Riprock
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Its ASM2 all over again: Financially the film is not a failure. Its just nowhere NEAR a big enough success to justify all its sequels and spinoffs going forward, especially when Law of Diminishing Returns suggests all of those films will make less and less money if not outright bomb.
Do they really have such a commitment to creative vision when their solution to a series of Wachowski and Snyder tentpoles snapping has been "Let's have them make a more expensive tentpole!"
Like, that's the perfect opportunity to draft some up-and-coming filmmakers into a bigger role, and yet they keep letting has-beens inexplicably fail upwards.
Alandrus Sun
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It's so simple but they are too dumb to ever do it.
Step 1: Hire Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.
Step 2: Put them in charge of the DCCU.
Step 3: Profit!!!
Step 1: Hire Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.
Step 2: Put them in charge of the DCCU.
Step 3: Profit!!!
Dash_Riprock
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They're crossing their fingers hard that Fantastic Beasts manages to capture the four-quadrant audience.
And judging by my hardcore HP friends' lukewarm reactions, that ain't happening.
ElBoxyBrown
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The Superman that has been exposed to the public memory is the Injustice version. They might as well make an Injustice movie. They have the set-up for it. It can be compelling as fuck. Now that would be risky.
Triggerhappytel
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Speaking of films with zero hype that no-one wants, their new Tarzan movie comes out in a few months.
NO NOT HER
Though she's actually tolerable in the Flash crossover episodes when the Flash writing team is in charge.
So DC have as much control over their properties as an old man has over his bladder? In any case, my point is, that a lot of good DC shit in recent times ended in Tragedy. Something is amiss.
Felicity Cinematic Universe. You heard it here first.
AquaWateria
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Let's not get too carried away. Warner Bros may have made some bad movies but they have also made some amazing movies.
They made Mad Max and Creed which were the best movies of 2015. They are in no way approaching Sony tier.
Putting aside the fact that neither wants to do it, and the fact neither's shown any proof that they can do live-action, the solution to these problems is not aping shit they've already done. You have to move forward and make something new.
BronsonLee
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I'm pretty sure Dash_Riprock is stuck in a similar version to the movie Speed where if he doesn't shit on BvS or WB in some fashion enough times in a day, the bus he's driving explodes
Probably one Justice League, Aquaman axed, Cyborg axed, Flash could still make it since you've got crossover appeal from the show, and a Battfleck.
Shazam was iffy whether BvS knocked it out of the park or not. I could still see them doing it if they wanted to reorient in a more kid-friendly direction ("reboots, endless reboots! Each rebootier than the last!")
It's not about them being able to do live action. Put them up at the very high strategic level and just use them for guidance.
Shazam was iffy whether BvS knocked it out of the park or not. I could still see them doing it if they wanted to reorient in a more kid-friendly direction ("reboots, endless reboots! Each rebootier than the last!")
It's not about them being able to do live action. Put them up at the very high strategic level and just use them for guidance.
GabeTheGrouch76
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I highly doubt reviewers and fans' complaints about the film's screenplay, film editing, and certain performances (re: Eisenberg's Luthor) and the negative WOD from audiences would had suddenly dissipated if the budget for BvS had $50-$100 million dollars knocked off from the project. You'd only have a less expensive / more profitable misfire of a film that should had been a bonafide hit with critics and filmgoers across the board.
Netherscourge
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WB should reboot The Matrix - LITERALLY.
It has a more interesting universe.
It has a more interesting universe.
maximum360
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I can gree with this. But I also though Captain America was particularly interesting either so movie 1 was a snooze for me. Additional characters from the Marvel-verse definitely carried the second film and it was better for it.
IdreamofHIME
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Time for that Harry Potter reboot.
Pai Pai Master
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I thought they were already trying to do that
I wouldn't be surprised if Shazam got cancelled (for now) and Lobo took over its place, meaning it could be one of the untitled dc movie.
Alandrus Sun
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Have they said this?
TheOfficeMut
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I'm speaking as someone who up until a few weeks ago didn't even realize that Snyder directed Watchmen, and I loved that movie, visually and narratively. I also liked 300, but it's been a very long time since I've seen that so I don't have an up to date opinion anymore. I even thought Man of Steel looked great. But when I saw Batman vs Superman this past Saturday, I found it very difficult to maintain focus during shots. With a combination of the dark palette and erratic changes in shots, I couldn't really keep track. It was so off putting and even now I don't know how to fully describe it. If you think that Batman vs Superman is an example of Snyder's fine work, then I'm sorry. I think it's his worst effort to date. I found more visual and thematic stimulation from Sucker Punch, and that was bad for a number of reasons.
Oh right, they are doing Lobo...
Shazam has The Rock attached, right? That might still make it if so.
Shazam has The Rock attached, right? That might still make it if so.
God Dayumm
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Warner should scrap all Justice League plans and just do Batman. One movie every year, directed by different people.
DeviantBoi
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Needs to be edgier.
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