Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.
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Pokemaniac
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NinjaCoachZ
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What if Nintendo did a "Live Digital Event" using the same hologram tech that was used for Hatsune Miku concerts and 2pac/Eazy-E at Coachella? This way they could have actual Nintendo characters up on stage doing the presentation alongside Miyamoto, Reggie, etc. Seems like it would also be an easy way to have the polish of a scripted Digital Event with the excitement of a live presentation.
KamiCrit
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Of the big three, Nintendo seems most likely to attempt it. As they've already done this for the Splatoon concert.
But 90 mins of Charles Martinet might be a bit much.
Dark Cloud
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And then Nintendo announces the Nintendo NX is a hologram machine!
I don't really see how having virtual characters on stage replaces the polish of a scripted and pre-recorded digital event. If anything it'd be more awkward seeing presenters do their act on stage alongside the characters.
Holographic Kimishima live from Japan coming straight to all of us!
Hero of Legend
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Something like Anihawk suggested, I think they should do this:
Late April/Early May: NX unveiling Direct - They show off every bit of the physical hardware and get all the possible important details out of the way. Maybe even a price and date, but that part's unlikely. Either no game announced, or a single teaser (likely Zelda being ported).
June 14: Live conference - The do E3 2006 all over again where it's nothing but NX games from beginning to end. Huge showing, without needing to explain the hardware (aside from a reminder I guess) since that was covered already in the Direct.
This way they have 100% control of the message of the NX hardware, they show off everything uber up-close and personal. And they can still have an outstanding E3 showing without holding back due to splitting the showing between two events (in both meanings; a better show due to two totally different showing, and not a worse one due to overly similar presentations due to focusing a bit on both at the same time you know?).
Just something I think could work.
Late April/Early May: NX unveiling Direct - They show off every bit of the physical hardware and get all the possible important details out of the way. Maybe even a price and date, but that part's unlikely. Either no game announced, or a single teaser (likely Zelda being ported).
June 14: Live conference - The do E3 2006 all over again where it's nothing but NX games from beginning to end. Huge showing, without needing to explain the hardware (aside from a reminder I guess) since that was covered already in the Direct.
This way they have 100% control of the message of the NX hardware, they show off everything uber up-close and personal. And they can still have an outstanding E3 showing without holding back due to splitting the showing between two events (in both meanings; a better show due to two totally different showing, and not a worse one due to overly similar presentations due to focusing a bit on both at the same time you know?).
Just something I think could work.
I can't see them unveiling NX at a direct only unless they are already saying "Well it's only our fans that will like this"
They need to get retail behind them and they need to get the mainstream press and consumer to hear about the thing.
I imagine it'd be a similar situation to how they do E3 now, where they do the direct alongside a press/retailer event.
Pokemaniac
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And how does a Digital Event prevent any of that?
I think it has to be shown before then considering how much they have to talk about. It might just be a couple of days before the E3 show (they did something similar with the Wii U in 2012), or it could be as soon as later this month.
There was an insider here that said Nintendo would reveal it before E3. I forget the name, they leaked a Pokemon game before.
edit: Here it is: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198876118&postcount=5861
Oh I really really hope so. I really don't want a 1 hour direct or live stage where they try to cram in 15-25 minutes of explaining their philosophy and showing of their new console. The rest is like 20 minutes showing if NX games and the rest 3DS and Wii U games.
ReyVGM
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Agreed. Depending on how much they have to show, they'll make a presentation before.
Obviously a title like Zelda NX will steal the thunder out of every other game shown, so let's say for example that they did secure Beyond Good & Evil 2, it's in their best interest to either show Zelda NX before E3 or BG&E2 before E3. That way people will spend a few days talking about one game before moving on to the other. But if they show both at the same time, well, Zelda will win.
Someone said earlier in this thread that Iwata mentioned how new hardware reveals were a big event and as such, they needed a conference to be shown to the world.
I vaguely remember that statement so it's not made up. However, I can't seem to find the articles about it without facing the ones on Iwata not attending E3 and no new hardware reveal last year.
I vaguely remember that statement so it's not made up. However, I can't seem to find the articles about it without facing the ones on Iwata not attending E3 and no new hardware reveal last year.
morthbound
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I think this is the quote people are misconstruing. Iwata was talking about showing up. Nothing about a live conference.
TLZ
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A holographic Iwata with Pac and Easy. Do it!
Yeah, that's probably the one I'm referring to.
Would explain why I can't find the article about hardware reveals needing a conference.
As for the console, count me in with those who think they'll reveal it before E3.
Either at their earnings release or mid May at the latest.
peaceiscloser
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It doesn't but people were saying that they think it'll be revealed by direct. That I would think, would be stupid because digital events are for the Nintendo hardcore, which, we as know is a grand total of about 5 people.They need to make a song and dance about it and come out with a bang, something a direct can't do to the level of a real E3 conference for journalists, enthusiast press, and retailers.
They legit had one bad year with the Digital Event but the previous year actually reached more people than they did before and they were trending non-stop for an entire week compared to the other 2. They had the largest mind share for 2014 E3 and a bigger blowout of games and Splatoon being huge news.
In all honestly, it's a new console. That itself will turn a lot of heads to them regardless if it's a Digital Event.
i'm pretty sure news gets reported no matter the format. it's not like amiibo didn't become popular when it was revealed in 2014. i don't think splatoon's popularity was diminished in it being revealed at a digital event either.
i think this sort of complaint comes largely from this concept that 'nintendo can't do anything right' and that anything outside what is deemed 'normal' is wrong. now they actually have a lot to improve on, but the way they've been dispensing information via digital events is the sort of thing other companies should try and figure out. stage shows aren't really for journalists/press/retailers in 2016. they're mainly for fans. and they're not very good (well, microsoft's has probably been consistently the best since 2013 to the point where it's okay, technical issues and all). to that end, if you're trying to entertain people, say by even inviting them to movie theaters and handing out free shit - then why not actually put some more effort into the fucking presentation aspect.
How many did Splatoon sell? Sure, digital events get some hype but only amongst the hardcore Nintendo fan. I can't see them being bigger than a physical presence at a conference for a platform reveal. Even if it was their own event and not at E3; just that it's physical.
Really? It'd have to be a digital event that was a recorded conference for it to come close to a physical event. I feel the reason Nintendo went to digital events is because they were getting hammered by press (For good reason) and just hunkered down and decided to do their own messaging to their core audience. They need bigger than that.
The fact that a few million people like Splatoon or the next Zelda means nothing compared to what mountains Nintendo needs to really climb to get back into the industry big time.
Digital event should reach out to as many as a press conference - it's presented as an E3 thing, it's streamed like all the other companies' conferences, it's covered by media covering E3 like the others. The only reason to do a press conference is if they feel the hardware reveal needs the spectacle of a big stage with hollering crowds. Maybe they do maybe they don't.
splatoon's over 4 million in less than a year. that's a fantastic result for a new ip. there's really no downplaying it either - the general feeling on its announcement wasn't that it was going to sell multiple millions of copies.
You also have a lot of corporate plants in the audience too. All day last year every journalist in my feed kept saying that none of the cheers for just about everything came from them. Many studios hired plants and got fans to come out to hype everything up. You'd rarely see a journalist/press/retailers cheer or clap in much of the footage, instead you see they have their tablets, phones and laptops to make sure to get everything down. The cheers came in back rows and upper seating away from the journalists/press/retailers.
Mac@NeoGAF
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If the NX is powered by AMD's 28nm last hurrah, AKA Bristol Ridge, it's IPC is about half that of my Intel 4690K according to Cinebench R15 results:
4690k: 178
Bristol Ridge: 93
If that is the case, then the NX will have a very powerful little CPU in comparison to the PS4 & Xbox One, close to twice the performance.
Only question is how far Nintendo would push the clock speed, being Nintendo I'd guess they'd be quite conservative on that front.
4690k: 178
Bristol Ridge: 93
If that is the case, then the NX will have a very powerful little CPU in comparison to the PS4 & Xbox One, close to twice the performance.
Only question is how far Nintendo would push the clock speed, being Nintendo I'd guess they'd be quite conservative on that front.
this is why i think they might do the game at the nwc. they can legitimately have that moment (earthbound beginnings got that moment even if you can't hear it). the only drawback is that it's far less of a controlled environment if you have two people playing against each other in a game they've never seen before with a controller they've never used before.
Doesn't surprise me it's a bloody great game (I own it), but it didn't push Wii U into the "healthy" range. My point being, that I don't think anything "typical" of Nintendo will do anything for them. They need to come out swinging, big and bold with their console and their presentation of it. If they come out at a direct and say "hey here's our quirky, underpowered idea for a console, we'll show you later because people don't care about the box" they are fucked.
People at the moment don't give a shit about Nintendo. The Wii U is a colossal failure and Nintendo's approach these last 4 years has proved to be misguided (In the console space). They can still make GREAT games of course but if people don't think Nintendo can deliver a comprehensive console experience then they are doomed to repeat the generation. A conference says something about your attitude and confidence. To gamers, press and retailers.
Nintendo stated they did the Digital Event to save money because they were in a bind. Imagine if they'd gone big like Sega spending more and more money for big spectacle E3 events and show floors. That honestly did no favors to them. Too much money spent for little gain.
Now I ask you; what if a live conference does not reach more people? What if they reach the same people you keep talking about? Would that really benefit them more or less? Also take into consideration where Nintendo is right now in terms of market share and mind share.
EDIT: Actually, quite a lot of people still care about Nintendo. At least on their handheld side. I'd also say Nintendo is more bold and has more confidence than most other studios that can't even have a real working demo in its early stages of development. Meanwhile the Nintendo team are making actual mistakes while playing the games and show it's a real demo and not a fake demo.
Prisoner KSC2-303
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Same here. There's something pleasing about a cartridge, it's far more tactile. Maybe it's sheer nostalgia, but a Nintendo system using chunky little carts (with an option to boot straight to cart) would be great.
But then, I'd quite like another console the shape of the N64; I loved that design, all curves and long before the trend to make inoffensive nondescript boxes.
like i said - there's no downplaying splatoon. it did more than anyone ever thought it would, even becoming a system seller (doing more for wii u than mario kart 8) in japan. it really had that one announcement at e3 and then a lead up to release.
the wii u was announced at not one, but two stage shows, and as you love to remind people, it's an enormous failure. i don't think stage shows are the cure, and i don't think digital events are the disease.
blu
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I don't know how you draw your IPC conclusions from the 'pre-announcement' BR data - all we know so far about BR is that it's an excavator with DDR4. Moreover, using single-threaded Cinebench results to draw conclusions of the overall CPU performance of the APU, given CMT, is meaningless - integer performance
At the end of the day BR's integer performance might be on-par or slightly better than a 2GHz 8x jaguar, but the fp performance will be decidedly worse. I already sent some rudimentary BR-vs-ps4-vs-xbone calculations to the OP when he asked me about my opinion of BR, so let me repost those here:
ps4: 102.4 GFLOPS (8 cores x 8 flops/clock x 1.6GHz)
xbone: 112 GFLOPS (8 cores x 8 flops/clock x 1.75GHz)
a hypothetical 8x jaguar/puma @ 2GHz: 128GFLOPS
a hypothetical BR @ 2.5GHz: 80 GFLOPS (2 fpus* x 16 flops/clock** x 2.5GHz)
* each "dual-core" module has one fpu.
** assuming Excavator keeps Steamroller's dual 128-bit FMACs.
My take:
April 26/27: Simple PR with name and form(s) factor(s).
June 9~12: Pre-E3 Nintendo Direct with mostly 3DS/Wii U, and tease for one NX game, unless they announce Zelda U NX changes instead.
June 14: Media briefing only for NX (and amiibo).
DaSorcerer7
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Seriously though, I want to know the evidence. Even the smallest bit of hype is enough for me!
It's sarcasm because Emily tweeted a picture of Kumatora which meant Mother 3 is coming out this year.
Isn't ARM garbage for servers or not really used? Even though this guy was verified, I'm starting to see x86 from amd isn't practical unless they to Zen, which rolls out at the end of the year, or they go Puma+.I changed my position, its Zen now.
CMT seems to be a big mistake for AMD and SMT is coming for Zen.
But I'm back in the camp of ARM, the A72 is a much more mature chip and Nintendo likes mature tech.
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