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Wkd BO 0408-1016 - Melissa (not Martha) puts end to Bats v Supes sausage fight
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Though there's no doubt that this is going to do monster business I'm curious to see whether the lager 'non comic book' audience, after Deadpool broke out, maybe see comic book films a little differently?
After the meta commentary on the genre in Deadpool are the 'casual' audiences that made that film a hit perhaps now expecting something different from their comic book films going forward.
It's possible that will be the case, it's also possible that the section of the potential audience that feel that was won't be significant to make that much of a difference to Civil War's overall bottom line .
After the meta commentary on the genre in Deadpool are the 'casual' audiences that made that film a hit perhaps now expecting something different from their comic book films going forward.
It's possible that will be the case, it's also possible that the section of the potential audience that feel that was won't be significant to make that much of a difference to Civil War's overall bottom line .
But nobody's percieving it as a Captain America movie. It's what we've been talking about for the past half-page. It's an Avengers flick, and it's being sold as one.
No one sees this as the third film in the Cap trilogy. This is Avengers 2.5 with Black Panther and Spidey.
Maybe no one domestically. I seriously doubt that sentiment holds internationally. Ill also bet they aren't getting the barrage of extra footage and social media bombardment that the U.S. is for this film proportionally.
It'll do great here, but I dont think it will do as well proportionally outside the U.S because they literally will see it as Cap 3.
I'm amazed at how much legs Zootopia has. I mean, it's a great film, but it's still doing so very well!
Its got 4 legs ahuehuehue
I'm going to say beating Iron Man 3 is guaranteed, and Age of Ultron worldwide is definitely on the table. As has been said, regardless of the story/themes and framing, this is functionally an Avengers movie. An Avengers movie with more hype leading into it than Ultron. And fucking Spiderman joining the gang. It's going to be huge.
That extra $100,000,000 to beat Avengers 1 though... That's going to be interesting. I'm not quite convinced it will hit, but honestly it wouldn't surprise me that much.
Beating Jurassic World... That'll be tough as fuck.
And anyone who thinks this will come within spitting distance from TFA on any major metric (outside of Chinese total) is completely and totally fucking insane. $2b won't happen. At all. The only movies with a chance of doing that in the next decade have Avatar in the title. And who knows how the fuck those will do.
Anyway. I'm going to put my prediction at... ~1.45b.
Can we all agree how baffling of a success Jurrasic World was?
Anyways, how much did the top grossing MCU movie earned? Would be slightly disappointing not to match with all the positive reviews so far while having freaking Spidey in the lineup.
Can we all agree how baffling of a success Jurrasic World was?
Anyways, how much did the top grossing MCU movie earned? Would be slightly disappointing not to match with all the positive reviews so far while having freaking Spidey in the lineup.
1.5bn - The Avengers
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I think it will beat WS but not AoU. Worldwide I see this at $1.1 bn, with a 70:30 split.
Can we all agree how baffling of a success Jurrasic World was?
I know people in the industry who, even now, still cannot fathom how a film so creatively bankrupt and mediocre can somehow ride a wave of critical 'free passes' and nostalgia from the audience.
I guess people just wanted a dinosaur film and the JP brand was enough to put the whole thing over the top.
It does feel weird how some crappy films get a 'free pass' from reviewers while some (poor but not crimes against film) are savaged beyond all belief.
Maybe no one domestically. I seriously doubt that sentiment holds internationally. Ill also bet they aren't getting the barrage of extra footage and social media bombardment that the U.S. is for this film proportionally.
It'll do great here, but I dont think it will do as well proportionally outside the U.S because they literally will see it as Cap 3.
Don't feel this is accurate. They split Team Ironman and Team Captain America into two press tours for this. I think RDJ is touring Europe with his team, Evans is coming here to Asia with his. The marketing is absolutely pushing this as a hero vs hero extravaganza rather than just another Cap movie.
Don't feel this is accurate. They split Team Ironman and Team Captain America into two press tours for this. I think RDJ is touring Europe with his team, Evans is coming here to Asia with his. The marketing is absolutely pushing this as a hero vs hero extravaganza rather than just another Cap movie.
wow i didn't know that - that's dope af
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Can we all agree how baffling of a success Jurrasic World was?
You mean how the worst sequel to a 20-year-old series that hasn't had a film in 10-years and was never really that franchisable, with two predecessors that were disappointing and a total bust respectively, briefly became the number 3 movie of all time?
Apparently people like dinosaurs.
Really though, I wasn't as surprised as many other people were. Jurassic Park was huge and the nostalgia machine is beginning to grind through the 90's. It's the same reason I feel everyone is underestimating ID4-2.
Still, damn did that piece of garbage over-perform.
Anyways, how much did the top grossing MCU movie earned? Would be slightly disappointing not to match with all the positive reviews so far while having freaking Spidey in the lineup.
$1.5B as has been said. But you have to remember, Avengers was a huge, huge fucking deal. The four-year build up starting with Iron Man was massive, and the movie was very much unlike anything that had been done at the time (and honestly, still). No matter how excited people are for Spider-Man, it's going to be damn hard to pull off the sheer excitement at Marvel pulling off the seemingly impossible with Avengers. I'm not going to call it impossible, especially with 4 years of inflation and some stronger international markets to give it a respectable boost, but I don't think failing to top Avengers would be disappointing either.
Don't feel this is accurate. They split Team Ironman and Team Captain America into two press tours for this. I think RDJ is touring Europe with his team, Evans is coming here to Asia with his. The marketing is absolutely pushing this as a hero vs hero extravaganza rather than just another Cap movie.
Given how Warners marketed BvS I think that this is a really smart and fresh way to market the 'hero v hero' angle of the film.
Really though, I wasn't as surprised as many other people were. Jurassic Park was huge and the nostalgia machine is beginning to grind through the 90's. It's the same reason I feel everyone is underestimating ID4-2.
Agreed. Millennials (or whatever the fuck they are called this week) really identify with the first ID4 film mostly through home video so I can see them turning out for this. I wonder whether the absence of Will Smith will make a difference or not.
I know people in the industry who, even now, still cannot fathom how a film so creatively bankrupt and mediocre can somehow ride a wave of critical 'free passes' and nostalgia from the audience.
I guess people just wanted a dinosaur film and the JP brand was enough to put the whole thing over the top.
It does feel weird how some crappy films get a 'free pass' from reviewers while some (poor but not crimes against film) are savaged beyond all belief.
JW hit all the nostalgia, down to the fucking themesong, plus it had Chris Pratt who is oozing charisma even in his sleep (I know, I checked). I think it took us back to that place in the 90s where everything was looking up, instead of how our current society is today. It was an escape-mechanism.
You mean how the worst sequel to a 20-year-old series that hasn't had a film in 10-years and was never really that franchisable, with two predecessors that were disappointing and a total bust respectively, briefly became the number 3 movie of all time?
Apparently people like dinosaurs.
JW wasn't really a good movie but it was easily better than the previous two JP sequels, as sad as that is.
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JW wasn't really a good movie but it was easily better than the previous two JP sequels, as sad as that is.
nope.avi
A two hour loop of "Alan" would be a better movie than Jurassic World.
Dead serious.
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Can we all agree how baffling of a success Jurrasic World was?
Jurassic Park is one of the most popular movies ever. That something associated with it, released after a big interregnums, is very successful is not that baffling. That a bad movie is very successful, well that even more normal.
nope.avi
A two hour loop of "Alan" would be a better movie than Jurassic World.
Dead serious.
JW has a lot of problems but it also has Chris Pratt and fundamentally delivers on its premise of a dino theme park gone wrong with lots of exciting dino action. Compare this to Lost World, where almost every character is a detestable idiot who deserves to be eaten, raptors suddenly become comic relief, and the theme of "the dinos must be preserved and respected!" completely clashes with the crazy violent bullshit that happens throughout the film. Or JP III, a snore of a film that features the made-up bullshit Spino Sue murdering the T-Rex and acting like a cartoonish serial killer. I don't think it's at all surprising that JW was better received than those films.
JW is not the classic the first JP is (very few films are), but many people loved it. Not on gaf maybe, but JW did well because many people had fun with it, on top of it's name branding. Sure, there are many nonsensical things in JW, but it paces well and there is constantly a sense of danger or exitement. The film has passion.
Can't say the same about BvS. I have said it before here, but if you go for a dark and serious tone, you need to make a film that can be taken seriously. Most of the time I thought all characters, except for Alfred, where behaving like nonsensical maniacs conveniently failing to discuss their motivations with each other, so that the writers could force the plot to whatever direction it took. The film constantly asks the viewers to think deeply about serious subjects, blatantly pushing the bad writing straight in your face. Not even talking about the editing and out of place scenes.
Can't say the same about BvS. I have said it before here, but if you go for a dark and serious tone, you need to make a film that can be taken seriously. Most of the time I thought all characters, except for Alfred, where behaving like nonsensical maniacs conveniently failing to discuss their motivations with each other, so that the writers could force the plot to whatever direction it took. The film constantly asks the viewers to think deeply about serious subjects, blatantly pushing the bad writing straight in your face. Not even talking about the editing and out of place scenes.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
And we're providing a preview to one of the more pedantic arguments that will consistently break out in the coming months, heh.
People are gonna probably be like "you can't give this to Cap," and they're gonna be like "It's his name on the movie" and someone will post a gif of Spider-Man and someone else will post a pic of Steve saying "I can do this all day" and eventually people will just start captioning posts over that Cap & Tony meme-comic that ends in CIVIL WAR and then someone will point out it says "Captain America" in front of CIVIL WAR and then they'll post a bootleg cam gif of an awesome scene in the movie and someone will whine about spoilers, and we'll have to call a medic to bring the syringes to deal with the spoilerphobia outbreak and once that dies down someone will say "Can you believe a Cap movie did this?" and someone else will say "It was an Avengers movie" and then a guy will be like "His name is in the title!" and someone will post a gif of Black Panther being a badass and then someo
quit trying to put me out of a job Bobby
WhiteRabbitEXE
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JW has a lot of problems but it also has Chris Pratt and fundamentally delivers on its premise of a dino theme park gone wrong with lots of exciting dino action. Compare this to Lost World, where almost every character is a detestable idiot who deserves to be eaten, raptors suddenly become comic relief, and the theme of "the dinos must be preserved and respected!" completely clashes with the crazy violent bullshit that happens throughout the film. Or JP III, a snore of a film that features the made-up bullshit Spino Sue murdering the T-Rex and acting like a cartoonish serial killer. I don't think it's at all surprising that JW was better received than those films.
Are you saying that literally any of Jurassic World's characters are not detestable idiots who deserve to be eaten? Or the GMOsaurus isn't a made-up bullshit cartoon serial killer?
Speaking of Chris Pratt, Jurassic World made me hate a Chris Pratt character. That's fucking monumental.
Are you saying that literally any of Jurassic World's characters are not detestable idiots who deserve to be eaten? Or the GMOsaurus isn't a made-up bullshit cartoon serial killer?
Speaking of Chris Pratt, Jurassic World made me hate a Chris Pratt character. That's fucking monumental.
JW doesn't really have any particularly likeable characters, but compared to The Lost World...
And the difference between the Indominus and the Spinosaurus is that the former is a (hamhanded) commentary on the hubris of genetic engineering and the short attention spans of modern society, while the latter is just a paleontologist masturbating onscreen.
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JW doesn't really have any particularly likeable characters, but compared to The Lost World...
And the difference between the Indominus and the Spinosaurus is that the former is a (hamhanded) commentary on the hubris of genetic engineering and the short attention spans of modern society, while the latter is just a paleontologist masturbating onscreen.
Lost World has Ian, which is all I need. Jurassic World literally only has Owen, whose simultaneous qualities of being not even remotely likable and being played by Chris Pratt seem like such an impossible pairing that I'm surprised the existence of those film reals didn't create a world-ending singularity. (and at honestly, at worst no one ever comes close to anyone in Jurassic World)
The fact that Trevorrow managed that makes me utterly terrified about what he could do to the Star Wars cast. Like, am I seriously going to hate Chewie in 2019? DOESN'T SEEM IMPOSSIBLE NOW.
Lost World has Ian which is all I need.
Lost World Ian is terrible, though. Instead of the smarmy comic relief and moral commentary of JP Ian, we get a grumpy sad sack who's forced to play the straight man to a bunch of idiotic buffoons.
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Lost World Ian is terrible, though. Instead of the smarmy comic relief and moral commentary of JP Ian, we get a grumpy sad sack who's forced to play the straight man to a bunch of idiotic buffoons.
Nah, he's still a sarcastic asshole who manages to be fun here and there, despite being a grumpy Gus. His closest analog in Jurassic World is Owen, and he's a borderline creepy, borderline misogynist dudebro who literally calls himself an alpha. I can't think of even one moment in that movie where I even began to like him. He's not even quotable (granted, none of the movie is). Ian's Lost World dialogue is part of my every day language, lol.
And again, that's with the guy being played by Chris Pratt. EARTH-ENDING SINGULARITY.
Aaaaand this is now a Jurassic Park topic.
Let me warn you: Jurassic World shot my dog. I WILL NOT RELENT.
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Remember that scene in The Lost World where Ian's girlfriend gets everyone killed.
Wait did I say scene, I meant the entire movie.
*points at children going through a magical portal to dino-land after an emergency recall*
*points at that InGen guy wanting velociraptor mercenaries*
*points at literally anyone who thought a velociraptor motorcycle chase for GMOsaurus was a good idea*
*points at high fucking heals*
*points at edit in previous post*
WILL NOT RELENT
Bobby Roberts
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Jungle Book Thursday preview #s should be in soon, right?
Jungle Book Thursday preview #s should be in soon, right?
Looks like 4.2 million
https://twitter.com/ScottMendelson/status/721000238081638401
Going through hell changes peopleLost World Ian is terrible, though. Instead of the smarmy comic relief and moral commentary of JP Ian, we get a grumpy sad sack who's forced to play the straight man to a bunch of idiotic buffoons.
Father_Brain
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Yup. It needs to cross that billion dollar mark.
I was confused, but with the marketing and these reviews, Marvel obviously expects Avengers money from this.
Same with BvS. Sure, you could call it a Man of Steel sequel, but putting Batman at the front (billion dollar franchise) and Justice (League) in the title pointed to bigger expectations.
I'd say they're expecting more IM3 money than Avengers money, though it definitely has a good shot at the latter.
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Maleficent opened to $69M so I guess that is the floor for JB, given the former had shitty reviews and JB probably has more appeal with men
I'd say they're expecting more IM3 money than Avengers money, though it definitely has a good shot at the latter.
Tthat sounds about right. IM3 numbers is a good guess for CW. Then again I said the same about BvS yet here we are.
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Tthat sounds about right. IM3 numbers is a good guess for CW. Then again I said the same about BvS yet here we are.
We got IM3 opening weekend numbers. After that is when it took a dive into the disappointing numbers.
Maleficent opened to $69M so I guess that is the floor for JB, given the former had shitty reviews and JB probably has more appeal with men
Probably. Also, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was both a direct sequel and a summer release, so not all that comparable.
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This might be one to watch.
X-Men: The Last Stand
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,714,584
Batman v Superman
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,587,667
BvS opened $64mil higher than XM3.
X-Men: The Last Stand
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,714,584
Batman v Superman
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,587,667
BvS opened $64mil higher than XM3.
Discotheque
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Lost World characters are considerably >>>> the ones in jurassic world
The movie itself is far more enjoyable too.
The movie itself is far more enjoyable too.
Expecting 700 million in the US and 1900 million worldwide
lol it's not doing more than Avengers.
Pai Pai Master
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Civil War is way better than Iron Man 3 and features all of the big characters from Iron Man 3... and a BUNCH more.
I'm starting to thing it will do at LEAST Iron Man 3 numbers, and best case scenario it surpasses Avengers and JW.
IM3 numbers probably a foregone conclusion at this point. CW is the biggest "solo" movie yet in terms of cast. I think it's likely to beat Age of Ultron, the real question is if it can beat Avengers. this movie feels like it has enough pent up demand to at least come close. The buzz for it so far feels stronger than in the lead up to Ultron.
IM3 numbers probably a foregone conclusion at this point. CW is the biggest "solo" movie yet in terms of cast. I think it's likely to beat Age of Ultron, the real question is if it can beat Avengers. this movie feels like it has enough pent up demand to at least come close. The buzz for it so far feels stronger than in the lead up to Ultron.
Definitely feels like there's way more buzz than Age of Ultron.
I think it'll come down to whether or not they can include Spider-Man in the marketing materials as we get closer to the film. That's money left on the table if they can't. I'm not sure if casual fans even know that Spidey is in the film.
RBelong2Us
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This might be one to watch.
X-Men: The Last Stand
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,714,584
Batman v Superman
3rd Monday-Wednesday gross: $4,587,667
BvS opened $64mil higher than XM3.
Jeez... so BvS is looking to probably cap out at around 325/330....
So around 30/40 more than Man of Steel... 120m less than Dark Knight Rises...and 200m less than Dark Knight
Oh and 30/40 less than Deadpool
Probably. Also, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes was both a direct sequel and a summer release, so not all that comparable.
What are the most recent OW projections from major sites?
Edit: BOMojo projecting between 70 and 80 domestic for jungle book this weekend
Dash_Riprock
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Jungle Book is gonna make more than BvS...
lol it's not doing more than Avengers.
If the film really resonates, who can say?
If it's as good as I'm told, I may see it multiple times myself.
Pai Pai Master
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You guys are setting up pretty high expecations for Civil War.
Will probably level out more once we get some more reviews, but so far it will be huge if they keep up. Surely they are expecting this to perform more like an Avengers movie than just a Captain America sequel.
Much like Avengers was, this movie is a turning point for the entire franchise and I think word of mouth and attendance will reflect that. And people will show up for Spidey once they realize he is in the movie and are told he is a return to form after the Amazing Dudman.
Will probably level out more once we get some more reviews, but so far it will be huge if they keep up. Surely they are expecting this to perform more like an Avengers movie than just a Captain America sequel.
I don't think it will perform like Winter Soldier, but there's a gap between that and $1.75-2B.
Pai Pai Master
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$2b is insanity. Best case scenario for the movie would be just eking out Avengers. Will probably land somewhere between the two Whedon event films.
Definitely feels like there's way more buzz than Age of Ultron.
Pretty sure this is hindsight or GAF. Ultron was huge and everywhere (it's not a coincidence Marvel have once again used the tactic of releasing new clips every so often). It only started to deflate once the initial box office figures and some of the word of mouth was below expectations.
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