April U.S. Primaries |OT| Vote in 20 Turns for World Leader

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Fatalah said:
Watching Hillary get grilled by the GOP over Benghazi only made me like her more.
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Honestly, this is part of why I think she'll do well enough regarding favorability in the Fall. The public got to see a preview of her sparring with the folks on the other side of the bracket, and she benefited nicely from the contrast. She came off as cool and knowledgeable, they came-off as inept and skeevy.

Viewers also realized: she's not the cartoon villain often painted by her opponents. Expectations for her image are so low that when folks saw her, they realized that she didn't quite live-up to that reputation. If anything, she was boringly, deftly competent.

Right now, she's up against someone who's perceived as a paragon of virtue, so the contrast works against her. But up against a character like Cruz or Trump? She'll look downright appealing; she'd be the sane person's choice.
 
Is this information easily available - How much money has Clinton earned by giving wall street speeches compared to all her other speaking fees she has done. Like what is the %? Is there a breakdown of industry etc., cause Im sure she speaks to unions, teachers, etc, and not just wall street but maybe I'm wrong.

It would be nice to know
 
boiled goose said:
I am actually unsure about Bernie's incomplete tax records. Based on what he released... not sure there would be much.

Regarding Obama's birth certificate... really? You think these are the same arguments? If you honestly honestly believe this, my mind is blown.

The conflict of interest of politicians putting millions of dollars into their pockets paid by the very industries they are elected to regulate is so apparent. I can't. I just can't. My will to continue arguing is fading.



Definitely. If/when Hillary is the nominee, I do think Dems will unify when they see what the opposition is.
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No the argument is that obviously there is something nefarious going on if they don't release something. For the record I wish she would release them just to shut people up,

The same thing happened with Bernies tax returns. It's all dumb political maneuvering.
 
Zyae said:
Bernie Sanders voting record with the NRA
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Sander's votes on gun bills:

The Adder said:
Sanders voted Yea to allow loaded guns in national parks

Voted Yea on Prohibiting Funds in the Bill S 1200 from Being Used to Decrease Gun Ownership

Voted Nay on mandatory gun show background checks.

To his credit, he voted Nay on repealing the 1995 ban and yea on minimum sentencing for gun crimes. But Bernie Sanders is certainly willing to send people to prison (the GunBan bill was also a minimum sentencing bill).

And he voted Nay on the Brady bill. Twice.

So yes, Bernie Sanders sure as fuck has a pro-NRA voting record. Now it's your turn.
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They gave a liberal politician whose election they supported bad grades, clearly their system is flawless and based entirely on fact and Sander's actual votes on gun bills are meaningless.
 
HylianTom said:
Honestly, this is part of why I think she'll do well enough regarding favorability in the Fall. The public got to see a preview of her sparring with the folks on the other side of the bracket, and she benefited nicely from the contrast. She came off as cool and knowledgeable, they came-off as inept and skeevy.

Viewers also realized: she's not the cartoon villain often painted by her opponents. Expectations for her image are so low that when folks saw her, they realized that she didn't quite live-up to that reputation. If anything, she was boringly, deftly competent.

Right now, she's up against someone who's perceived as a paragon of virtue, so the contrast works against her. But up against a character like Cruz or Trump? She'll look downright appealing; she'd be the sane person's choice.
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I agree. It does make me happy when I see some of her enthusiastic supporters. Especially young females.
 
BlastProcessing said:
Do you apply the same logic to Sanders' incomplete Tax records?
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The tax record stuff with Sanders is definitely weird. There's probably nothing there... but why the hell isn't he releasing them and being so weird about it when that actually is a standard thing for presidential candidates to do, especially with the high standard holding Clinton to? If he can hold Clinton to that standard, why can't he do something even more simple and basic, especially since there's no reason to believe there's anything actually in them anyway? It's just really, really weird the way he's acting about them and I just can't make sense of it:

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.z8ma5s5up
Sanders is also hypocritical because he attacks Clinton for not being transparent, but has failed to disclose his tax returns, and both he and his wife, Jane, have lied about it when questioned.

· First, they both said all their returns had been released. This was false. The Washington Post reported that they had released a page or two from their 2014 return, but not the whole return, and nothing from any prior years. Clinton has produced her returns going back about a decade and every major presidential candidate produces their tax returns. (Sanders has only now, after much pressure and ridicule, released the full return for 2014 — but only for 2014.)

· Second, originally Sanders claimed he could not produce his tax returns because his wife does them. That’s absurd — his tax returns from prior years are all finished; it doesn’t matter who does them, he’s responsible for them because he signed them and has access to them.

· Third, his wife Jane lied in an interview the other day when asked if they had produced their returns, saying they had done so (even though the Washington Post had already demonstrated that claim was false). When pressed by the reporter, Jane then said she would produce them “if” she could find them, and when asked how hard finding her returns could possibly be, she shifted gears and said, “we’ve been kind of busy,” so yeah, maybe, when she gets a chance; and then she claimed they hadn’t produced the tax returns from prior years because “they” had not been running for office in the past; and when the reporter reminded her that her husband has been in office for many years, she just sat there.

I don’t know why Sanders does not want to produce the tax returns, but simple-minded lying about why they have not produced them is a very poor reflex
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Wafflecakes said:
Yeah. Pretending that Bernie is in the NRA's pocket is silly.


Still... he is to the right of Hillary on the issue.
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Hillary wants gun manufactures held responsible for shootings. Thats pretty ridiculous. Its almost like people can have different opinions on different issues. Bernie is to the left of her on most of the main issues that matter once.
 
Tonight on America's Next President. The Presidential hopefuls head to New York to take a bite out of the Big Apple. Will Trump and Clinton win their home state or will their opponent seize a huge upset that could turn this race up on its head.
 
eBay Huckster said:
because politicians taking their opponents' statements out of context for their own benefit is a thing

and you generally don't make own-goals like that unless you're a complete idiot and/or have jeff weaver on your campaign staff
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I don't get this notion. If somebody runs for president then I want them to be transparent. I don't care if they fear to lose some voters (then again there's not much to worry about without a reason so...).
 
ShironRedshift said:
The tax record stuff with Sanders is definitely weird. There's probably nothing there... but why the hell isn't he releasing them and being so weird about it when that actually is a standard thing for presidential candidates to do, especially with the high standard holding Clinton to? If he can hold Clinton to that standard, why can't he do something even more simple and basic, especially since there's no reason to believe there's anything actually in them anyway? It's just really, really weird the way he's acting about them and I just can't make sense of it:

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.z8ma5s5up
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I agree it is weird.
 
AlphaDump said:
it isn't changing shit, it is just going to give people some selective quotes to justify their stances and spam reddit with.


damned if you do, damned if you dont. republicans been doing this to her for years.
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This is an election. She is going to have her statements spun, twisted, and used against her whether she likes it or not. Why even go to a debate if this is why she isn't releasing them?
 
The Adder said:
Sander's votes on gun bills:



They gave a liberal politician whose election they supported bad grades, clearly their system is flawless and based entirely on fact and Sander's actual votes on gun bills are meaningless.
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You said Bernie has a pro NRA Record when he literally doesnt. The NRA grades him very very poorly. Surely you know better than them though right?
 
Zyae said:
Hillary wants gun manufactures held responsible for shootings. Thats pretty ridiculous. Its almost like people can have different opinions on different issues. Bernie is to the left of her on most of the main issues that matter once.
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Wtf is this post?

*whoareyoutalkingto.gif
 
Zyae said:
Bernie Sanders voting record with the NRA
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Liberals should *always* have across the board F ratings from the NRA - even Cs represent a level of compromise with a group that doesn't deserve to be negotiated with.

dave is ok said:
If there was nothing damning she should have released them two months ago. She can't claim to be all about transparency and then not release them. She made the wrong call
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Losers don't get to dictate terms.
 
Zyae said:
Hillary wants gun manufactures held responsible for shootings. Thats pretty ridiculous. Its almost like people can have different opinions on different issues. Bernie is to the left of her on most of the main issues that matter once.
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ITT: Gun Control doesn't matter.
 
eBay Huckster said:
because politicians taking their opponents' statements out of context for their own benefit is a thing
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so why does she speak at all then by that logic? What is she saying in these speeches thats so different than what she says in the debates that can be taken so out of context?
 
boiled goose said:
I agree it is weird.
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I don't think it's weird at all. There's probably some minor detail there that would be blown up during the 24/7 news cycle. It's certainly hypocritical of him to attack her for not being 100% transparent though. In the end Mitt Romneys tax returns just confirmed how rich he was.
 
So Trump needs to kill this tonight right? My understanding if he wants to avoid a convention. He needs to win and take some additional delegates.
 
metalslimer said:
I don't think it's weird at all. There's probably some minor detail there that would be blown up during the 24/7 news cycle. It's certainly hypocritical of him to attack her for not being 100% transparent though. In the end Mitt Romneys tax returns just confirmed how rich he was.
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I agree that likely is it.
Some money abroad or I dunno. Probably minor...
 
MIMIC said:
This is an election. She is going to have her statements spun, twisted, and used against her whether she likes it or not. Why even go to a debate if this is why she isn't releasing them?
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She's not releasing them beam cause if she goes up against Trump or Cruz, they'll likely not release transcripts from their paid speeches so hers can stay unreleased. Why should she give ammunition to the Republicans before she's forced to? I know Bernie supporters don't want to hear it but she's just trying to survive until the nomination and then pivot to the general.
 
rjinaz said:
So Trump needs to kill this tonight right? My understanding if he wants to avoid a convention. He needs to win and take some additional delegates.
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Yup. Anything short of a wipeout in his favor is a loss. He needs to take a majority statewide and in every district.
 
br3wnor said:
She's not releasing them beam cause if she goes up against Trump or Cruz, they'll likely not release transcripts from their paid speeches so hers can stay unreleased. Why should she give ammunition to the Republicans before she's forced to? I know Bernie supporters don't want to hear it but she's just trying to survive until the nomination and then pivot to the general.
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It must be nice to support a candidate who has no shot at reaching the general, because then they can pretend the general doesn't matter.
 
rjinaz said:
So Trump needs to kill this tonight right? My understanding if he wants to avoid a convention. He needs to win and take some additional delegates.
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If he wants to get back on track to clinching the majority and making up for the last few weeks he needs to sweep all of New York and get all 95 delegates basically. 538 says after tonight he needs to be at 892, if he gets 95 he'll be closer to his target than he is right now (95% versus 91%) and be at 851. That would make the gap 41, which is much better than the 78 gap he is at right now. (He's currently at 756 delegates, while he needs to be at 834)
 
Wafflecakes said:
Yup. Anything short of a wipeout in his favor is a loss. He needs to take a majority statewide and in every district.
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haha now that is setting the bar quite high. A tiny win (and maybe even a virtual tie) could be spun by him and the media as a win.

On the GOP side, what does GAF want?
Trump sweep or Cruz catching up?

Contested convention would be fun, but Trump securing the nomination is also fun.
 
rjinaz said:
So Trump needs to kill this tonight right? My understanding if he wants to avoid a convention. He needs to win and take some additional delegates.
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If Trump gets all Delegates from NY that eliminates Cruz from reaching 1237. If he continue to stay in hes going for a contested convention.
 
boiled goose said:
haha now that is setting the bar quite high. A tiny win (and maybe even a virtual tie) could be spun by him and the media as a win.
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At this stage, spinning something as a win is meaningless. He needs to be picking up delegates at a faster rate than he has if he wants to avoid a brokered convention.
 
Zyae said:
Hillary wants gun manufactures held responsible for shootings. Thats pretty ridiculous. Its almost like people can have different opinions on different issues. Bernie is to the left of her on most of the main issues that matter once.
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I brought this example up before but it's one of the reasons why people should be able to sue gun manufacturers. It's not just a simplistic "but guns are legal" type of argument, although I totally get why people want to latch onto that.

For an example of how this plays out, look at Adames v. Beretta. In this case, a 13-year-old boy removed the clip from his father's Beretta handgun, believing that made the gun safe, and then accidentally shot his 13-year-old friend. The victim's family sued Beretta, saying the company could have made the pistol safer and provided more warnings, according to SCOTUSBlog. Citing the PLCAA, the Illinois Supreme Court dismissed Adames' claims, and the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately refused to hear the case.
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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...-totally-free-of-liability-for-their-behavior
 
On the gun control thing, none of their positions matter, and Hillary's more leftist views on guns would never pass a Republican Congress, so it's silly to support her based on pie in the sky policies like that.

At least, I think that's how this works
 
Tranqueris said:
I brought this example up before but it's one of the reasons why people should be able to sue gun manufacturers. It's not just a simplistic "but guns are legal" type of argument, although I totally get why people want to latch onto that.



http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...-totally-free-of-liability-for-their-behavior
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I'm pretty sure that case, or similar cases, still resulted in many gun manufacturers putting in an internal safety that locks the trigger group when the magazine is removed. Still, the moral of that story is gun safety education is important, as is good parenting.

soul creator said:
On the gun control thing, none of their positions matter, and Hillary's more leftist views on guns would never pass a Republican Congress, so it's silly to support her based on pie in the sky policies like that.

At least, I think that's how this works
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Im a Hillary supporter and I own almost a dozen guns, including "scary" assault weapons. Gun owners don't have anything to be worried about.
 
DR2K said:
Sure he may have had a chance if it were open primary like in Michigan, but it's how much he loses by that will be spun tonight
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"10 months ago I would have lost by 80%. Tonight we closed the gap to 10-15%. We have the momentum. We are fucking winning. Yehaw!"

*waves finger*
 
DR2K said:
Sure he may have had a chance if it were open primary like in Michigan, but it's how much he loses by that will be spun tonight
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prediction time!
Hillary wins, but by less than 10 points.

Bernie talking about Wallmart employees being subsidized by the government. Amazing. I have been talking about his issue for years. First time I see him bring it up. Prefer Hillary, fine, but the dislike for this guy is crazy.
 
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