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Almost willing to bet that Ice Climbers will be in Smash NX. Let's speculate
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Chibi robo would be so awesome, and he's got so much material. Chibi copter for up b, chibi blaster for neutral b, toothbrush for side B, mug for down b, Giga robo for final smash, etc, etc. The moveset practically makes itself.
As stated earlier, Smash 4 was a victim of the Wii U, not the other way around. The shortcomings of the console limited the game's reach (as proven by the success of the 3DS version). Nobody's saying that the Smash 4 port would be a system-seller, that's not the point of making the port. The point is that with Smash 4 being so recent, we probably won't get an actual Smash 5 for a good long while. A Smash 4 port would be a great way to buy Nintendo some time for Smash 5 to be made later down the road, not to mention get more exposure of the new franchise in Smash 4 to a potentially-wider audience.
Steve Youngblood
Member
My problem -- as stated before -- is just that I don't think it makes for a compelling launch title. If the team feels like they've taken Smash 4 as far as they can take it and are too burnt out to create any meaningful new content, I feel as though a Smash 4 port is still a viable thing to release for the platform, but just not a launch title. Just porting a game of the year edition with all DLC included is fine if you're a third party getting your feet wet on new hardware to gauge interest in your software. But as a platform-holder, your job is to release system-selling software.
Now, it's still a two-year-old game (at least). I'm not saying that a few characters and stages is going to be good enough to be considered a brand new game that's really going to move hardware. But my take is that you need some effort in the realm of content creation to make it worthy of being a launch title. Even including Smash Run and the 3DS exclusive stages in addition to all the Wii U stuff doesn't strike me as all that exciting of a definitive edition. Not that Nintendo would exclusively be targeting people like me, but I already have the 3DS and Wii U versions and all the DLC that isn't Mii costumes. The prospect of buying a third version isn't something that has me pumped up about the NX.
And not that I'm confident in this prediction or anything, but all the speculation we've heard (which obviously can be taken with a grain of salt) talks about how they're working on just an NX version. If it's just an Ultimate Edition port, my suspicion is that they would simply state that a Definitive Edition is being worked on that would release on NX as well. If it's just a port with all the DLC, that could be released across all platforms. But chatter pointing towards working on an NX version has me hopeful about some degree of new content, because again I just feel like the alternative of a straight port is venturing too far into "what's the point?" territory if this is indeed a launch title.
But again, this is just speculation based on speculation. So it's not like I'm remotely confident in this analysis. Just my gut feeling based on what we know, or "know" if you will.
GiantBreadbug
Member
None of this addresses the fact that a straight Smash 4 port with no new content would probably NOT sell well to the ~10M people who have the game already and won't be compelled to either:
- Buy an NX for Smash 4: NX Edition
- Buy Smash 4: NX Edition, even if they're buying a console
If there's not new content, I personally won't buy it until it's cheap. But if there is new content, even if just a little, I would buy an NX for it even if there were no other launch titles that interested me.
Launch games actually do need to be system sellers. That's the point of releasing them at launch. It makes zero sense to do a port if you know it's going to reach a terribly small audience.
Also, as I've said, I think they might have offered Sakurai a bit of a bargain if they really wanted this game to sell: make more content and port it over, then we won't ask you to make another Smash for a while.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
SouceGaming did their podcast about Smash NX. If people have time to type up the bullets for me to read. I would appreciate that a lot!
As huge supporter for Isaac, I will still support him but I doubt his chance ever become playable character in Smash Bros franchise.
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Take a look at the schedule for Smash 4; mainly when they did port job for Super Smash Bros Brawl to 3DS and Wii U systems. It only take about 4 months (safe guess) for the company to do the port job so it might take 2-4 months for Namco Bandai team to port Smash Bros 4 to NX console. If they manage to finish the port job within 2 to 4 months, so I wonder what are they going to do with their free time. The truth is we don't know the size of development team so it's way harder to predict what they are up to.
As huge supporter for Isaac, I will still support him but I doubt his chance ever become playable character in Smash Bros franchise.
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Take a look at the schedule for Smash 4; mainly when they did port job for Super Smash Bros Brawl to 3DS and Wii U systems. It only take about 4 months (safe guess) for the company to do the port job so it might take 2-4 months for Namco Bandai team to port Smash Bros 4 to NX console. If they manage to finish the port job within 2 to 4 months, so I wonder what are they going to do with their free time. The truth is we don't know the size of development team so it's way harder to predict what they are up to.
I don't even like Golden Sun but I still think Isaac would be great. Currently there's not really any characters that represent GBA (Lucas I guess, but that's a long running IP and came out after the DS launched IIRC), and his psy powers would be a great gimmick to build around. I also like the design of his AT.
Speaking of GBA reps, I reallllly want someone from Advance Wars. Somehow I feel like there's absolutely no chance though.
Speaking of GBA reps, I reallllly want someone from Advance Wars. Somehow I feel like there's absolutely no chance though.
twothunder
Member
I feel the same. and i love me some Advance Wars
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Technically we have Wario from WarioWare (their first game debut is on GBA ironically) I would love to see either Advance Wars or/and Golden Sun rep getting in the game.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
That reminds me that it blew my mind to realize that the DS is the best-selling Nintendo console ever and Lucario is the only character in the series who debuted on it. Pretty nuts.
Oh, here's another fun thing I'd like to see for NX that we've all kinda forgotten about. Individualized Alph! And actually it'd be pretty awesome if Olimar was buffed up in general, since the 3DS seemed to impact him pretty badly. But mostly having Alph as his own dude would be rad.
I can't think of any major characters originating on DS besides Nintendog, Dr. Kawashima, a gen 5 Pokémon, and someone from Rhythm Heaven. Most of the best-selling DS games feature characters already in Smash Bros., like Mario, Mii, Villager, and Toon Link.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Need Ice Climbers for wobbles!
Rapscallion
Member
A shred of new content and I'd buy instantly. I've already clocked in more hours on Smash 4 than any other Smash game, so if there's even a slight difference I'll buy an NX version.
I don't know if it's unreasonable to assume there will be new characters of if the NX version, but certainly Nintendo would sell more copies and DLC if they added more characters. They must be at least happy with the numbers Smash 4 did.
I don't know if it's unreasonable to assume there will be new characters of if the NX version, but certainly Nintendo would sell more copies and DLC if they added more characters. They must be at least happy with the numbers Smash 4 did.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Yeah but to me if a Smash NX is going to be made it would be to
1. Fill out the console's library
2. Because the next game is at least 5 years away and the series is a big name.
Considering that Nintendo made a big deal about Corrin an Bayonetta being the last DLC and Sakurai taking a break, it makes no sense to continue working on the game. I don't expect Smash 4 NX to be that big of a deal at launch. It's there for people who missed on it and really isn't that the point of most GOTY editions?
It's way too soon for a Smash 5. Smash 4 is still relatively fresh in everyone's mind and came out at the later end of the Wii U's life so it makes sense to bring it to other platforms. I just wouldn't expect much if I were you.
You could do a dinosaur from Fossil Fighters, Barbara the Bat, maybe someone from Glory of Heracles if Nintendo's got that series on lockdown now, or Goku from Jump Superstars.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
Who said they needed to be major?
Sure love my pipe dreams
Before I clicked on the spoiler I was crossing my fingers that it'd be the Elite Beat Agents.
I like you.
TheDinoman
Member
Are those bestsellers in the same way Brain Age or Animal Crossing are?
Jawmuncher
Member
I meant, you could sacrifice Resident Evil 7 and Dino Crisis Reboot now so it will never happens ever just for Snake?
Yeah, Tingle and Rupeeland right? I never had a chance to play those games but do you think he could have a decent move set coming from those franchise?
Gotta keep Dino Crisis, but RIP resident evil 7.
Fossil Fighters, Band Brothers, and Glory of Heracles are beneath even Mother and Xenoblade.
Steve Youngblood
Member
OK, but unless NX manages to capture lightning in a bottle with another WiiMote-like idea, what do you think the market is at launch for a successor to the Wii U that doesn't include people that bought a Wii U? I mean, I get it. Smash 4 has a packed roster. I don't know what more they can do to it that's going to make it a seem like a whole new game worth buying new hardware for. But as a platform-holder, I think you need to do more than just re-release a Game of the Year edition to make it a compelling launch title. Because I think a lot of the market for the NX at launch is going to be people that already own a 3DS or a Wii U and thus probably already have Smash. And for the stragglers who didn't buy already, I think the conversation would just be about a Game of the Year edition for all platforms. Not all this speculation about how an NX-specific version is being worked on.
If it's just a run-of-the-mill Game of the Year remaster, I think you wait until after launch just to fill holes in the post-launch lineup. If it really is just a straight port and it really is aimed at launch, I that's sort of a missed opportunity that they would only fall back on if there really is no compelling launch content. It says "yeah, we've got nothing here. Have a years old port of a game that you probably already own!" I said earlier that's fine if you're a third party just trying to test out the water. But I feel like more should be expected from a first party. They need software that's aimed at selling hardware. Not software they might pick up to go along with the real launch titles.
They're coming off of their least successful console performance to date (ignoring the Virtual Boy). They can't afford to half-ass this with a bunch of Wii U ports.
Yeah, that would be great. Give Olimar back 6 Pikmin and the pikmin rope, keep alph the same and replace purple and white pikmin with rock and pink.
Ehh, he doesn't really have moves to speak of. Every encounter in that game is literally a giant cloud of dust.I meant, you could sacrifice Resident Evil 7 and Dino Crisis Reboot now so it will never happens ever just for Snake?
Yeah, Tingle and Rupeeland right? I never had a chance to play those games but do you think he could have a decent move set coming from those franchise?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I wonder if they are going to do something about Dark Pit and Lucina's movesets?
It's just wild idea that I threw out. It don't really have any meaning but it's possible it could happens! :V
Hmmm. is it really good enough for your Snake?
Exactly... I really wonder what kind of port they are going with. Hopefully they would go with best scenario for the fans.
I would be okay with Pikmin situation but I doubt it would happens. Ah I see. I guess they are going to be very creative with Tingle move set if it happens.
It's just wild idea that I threw out. It don't really have any meaning but it's possible it could happens! :V
Hmmm. is it really good enough for your Snake?
Exactly... I really wonder what kind of port they are going with. Hopefully they would go with best scenario for the fans.
I would be okay with Pikmin situation but I doubt it would happens. Ah I see. I guess they are going to be very creative with Tingle move set if it happens.
But that's just it, Smash 4: Complete Edition would just be icing on the cake, not the cake itself. That's what the likes of Zelda U (assuming they pull a TP & release the NX version, first) & whatever unique NX games Nintendo comes up with are for.
Steve Youngblood
Member
First of all, I'm beginning to suspect that this is a futile exercise. We probably just are going to have to agree to disagree. Secondly, you may very well be right. I'm fully prepared to simply be wrong and shake my head at Nintendo's business acumen.
Having said that, I'm going to take one more crack at this. The ported Complete Edition with no new content isn't icing on anything. It's just a port of a game that most of your launch audience has probably already played if not owns. If there's no new content at all, it only really makes sense to port if there's no backwards compatibility. And even if there isn't, you wait until after the launch window to fill a void. It can scratch that itch when there isn't newer, more compelling software out there. "Yeah, I wouldn't mind not having to bust out the Wii U to play Smash. Sure, I'll buy it again for $40."
But you can't just flood the launch window with a bunch of software that didn't push the sales needle for the new system's predecessor.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Ultimately, I'd be fine if Sakurai added like four or five characters that got cut for technical reasons, time reasons, or perceived lack of fan demand.
Wolf
Ice Climbers
Inkling
Geno
Chorus Kids
It's perfect!
EDIT: And of course non-character stuff, too. I wanna see every single thing from the 3DS version combined into the Wii U version.
Wolf
Ice Climbers
Inkling
Geno
Chorus Kids
It's perfect!
EDIT: And of course non-character stuff, too. I wanna see every single thing from the 3DS version combined into the Wii U version.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
That's actually good list which I have no qualm with. That's big if we are actually getting new characters. Here is my list on potential characters. (along with few characters that are extremely unlikely tho)
Veterans
Ice Climbers
Wolf
Snake (he's very unlikely tho)
Cut
Rhythm Heaven Rep
Alph
Newcomers
Inkling
Takamaru
7th Gen Pokemon (probably Grass Starter)
Dixie Kong
King K Rool (Smash Ballot?)
Isaac (extremely unlikely)
Paper Mario
Style Savvy Shopper (extremely unlikely)
Third Party Newcomers
Heihachi
Rayman
Professor Layton
Geno
That would be funny if it actually happens again. RIP Ice Climbers
A Link to the Past
Banned
I think also that Squirtle and Ivysaur are very-low-level likelihood (but high enough to be mentioned). Professor Layton is another one I could see making it. I've also been a big fan of the idea of Heihachi being playable, especially since Namco has been so good to Nintendo.
THERE'S STILL HOPE
Does Konami even have a video game department anymore?
KelpNugatCrunch
Member
Just want Takamaru from Murasame Castle (hoping he turns Assist Trophy into playable like Little Mac from Brawl to Sm4sh)
also Isaac from Golden Sun.
I would also like to see Chorus Kids get in since they were one of the most interesting speculated characters from Sm4sh.
also Isaac from Golden Sun.
I would also like to see Chorus Kids get in since they were one of the most interesting speculated characters from Sm4sh.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yikes, I forget all about Professor Layton. I still remember the voice actor commenting something about smash bros last summer.
I'm not sure but they only need to acquire license agreement from Konami. No needs for game department tho.
All three excellent choices! 👌🏻
With assist trophies, I feel that
1. they are unlikely to become characters in a port
2. many of them have already been considered for playable status and will be considered again for a new Smash
It's kind of curious looking at which assist trophies were dropped from Brawl. Isaac and Ray Mk III all come from series with multiple entries could conceivably work as characters, maybe Barbara the Bat could work too, dunno. Maybe they were dropped because they were going to get the Little Mac treatment, either in the base package or through DLC, but the decision changed later. On the other hand, Jill Dozer feels far too minor to appear again, let alone make the jump.
A lot of the recent assist trophies are much more complex, having multiple moves an sometimes even being able to be KOed. If they weren't on a timer they could at least work as minibosses. Look at Takamaru, Dark Samus, Ghirahim, even Phosphera. I think Saki Amamiya's the only one to be on that level in Brawl. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai had started considering a moveset for them, ultimately decided against including them, then decided to recycle some of his ideas as assist trophies.
But seriously, fuck all those guys, because Mach Rider (with white gogo boots alt costume) and ST Falcon are going to be the ones. I can feel it this time.
1. they are unlikely to become characters in a port
2. many of them have already been considered for playable status and will be considered again for a new Smash
It's kind of curious looking at which assist trophies were dropped from Brawl. Isaac and Ray Mk III all come from series with multiple entries could conceivably work as characters, maybe Barbara the Bat could work too, dunno. Maybe they were dropped because they were going to get the Little Mac treatment, either in the base package or through DLC, but the decision changed later. On the other hand, Jill Dozer feels far too minor to appear again, let alone make the jump.
A lot of the recent assist trophies are much more complex, having multiple moves an sometimes even being able to be KOed. If they weren't on a timer they could at least work as minibosses. Look at Takamaru, Dark Samus, Ghirahim, even Phosphera. I think Saki Amamiya's the only one to be on that level in Brawl. I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai had started considering a moveset for them, ultimately decided against including them, then decided to recycle some of his ideas as assist trophies.
But seriously, fuck all those guys, because Mach Rider (with white gogo boots alt costume) and ST Falcon are going to be the ones. I can feel it this time.
TheDinoman
Member
So the NX isn't coming until March 2017.
More time for Sakurai to add new stuff?
More time for Sakurai to add new stuff?
balladofwindfishes
Member
Seems that way.
With the way Wolf is treated in Star Fox Zero and the references to Smash he has in both voice and design, it seems likely he'll join the party as well.
But I doubt that they'll use his Zero design, mainly to keep consistent with Fox & Falco.
TheDinoman
Member
At the very least, they should take out his lame sci-fi eyepiece thing and bring back that sweet eyepatch he has in 64/Zero.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Wolf's design in Zero is his Brawl design with a turtle neck on. It matches the other characters just fine if used in Smash. It's the best design the character has ever had.
Adventure mode, let's do this!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Their announcement regard NX's release date killed many people's excuse for team not having enough time. Basically they might have more than a year of development for upcoming Smash.
TheDinoman
Member
So in the event that Smash NX happens and it's confirmed we'll get some new characters, I threw together a prediction/wishlist roster.
I took the time and fixed the CSS, relocating all the DLC characters and clones to their proper positions on the CSS. For the most part I also restored the original organization, as in the multi-rep series going in chronological order. With Lucas back on the roster and Mother thus having multiple characters again I moved Ness away from Captain Falcon and put him near the Kid Icarus trio.
Mario extended universe (July 9, 1981)
The Legend of Zelda (February 21, 1986)
Metroid (August 6, 1986)
Kid Icarus (December 19, 1986)
Mother (July 27, 1989)
Fire Emblem (April 20, 1990)
Kirby (April 27, 1992)
Star Fox (February 21, 1993)
Pokémon (February 27, 1996)
In between the gaps, the single rep series also go in chronological order.
Game & Watch (April 28, 1980)
Punch-Out!! (February 1984)
Duck Hunt (April 21, 1984)
Ice Climber (January 30, 1985)
R.O.B. (July 26, 1985)
F-Zero (November 21, 1990)
Animal Crossing (April 14, 2001)
Pikmin (October 26, 2001)
Rhythm Heaven (August 3, 2006)
Wii Fit (December 1, 2007)
Xenoblade Chronicles (June 10, 2010)
Splatoon (May 28, 2015)
Also, the third parties at the end are in chronological order as well.
PAC-MAN (May 22, 1980)
Street Fighter (August 30, 1987)
Mega Man (December 17, 1987)
Final Fantasy (December 18, 1987)
Sonic The Hedgehog (June 23, 1991)
Bayonetta (October 29, 2009)
Anyways, I added four characters, two veterans and two newcomers. Should be reasonable enough considering the timespan they could have.
Ice Climbers: Should definitely be first in line provided we see new additions. Could be a good way to show off how stronger the NX is by having them in a 8 player match, lol.
Wolf: Besides Ice Climbers, he's the only other veteran left that that makes enough sense on his own (sorry Ivysaur and Squritle) and isn't owned by a batshit insane third party company (RIP Snake). I just hope Sakurai does't look at the horrific sales for Star Fox Zero and decides that Star Fox should only have two characters from here on out...
Inkling: No explanation needed.
Chorus Kids: Any RH character can go here, to be honest. Outside of Splatoon, Rhythm Heaven is the only new Nintendo series left that I think warrants a playable character in Smash. And perhaps Sakurai agrees, since it looks like he planned on doing something major with it.
I took the time and fixed the CSS, relocating all the DLC characters and clones to their proper positions on the CSS. For the most part I also restored the original organization, as in the multi-rep series going in chronological order. With Lucas back on the roster and Mother thus having multiple characters again I moved Ness away from Captain Falcon and put him near the Kid Icarus trio.
Mario extended universe (July 9, 1981)
The Legend of Zelda (February 21, 1986)
Metroid (August 6, 1986)
Kid Icarus (December 19, 1986)
Mother (July 27, 1989)
Fire Emblem (April 20, 1990)
Kirby (April 27, 1992)
Star Fox (February 21, 1993)
Pokémon (February 27, 1996)
In between the gaps, the single rep series also go in chronological order.
Game & Watch (April 28, 1980)
Punch-Out!! (February 1984)
Duck Hunt (April 21, 1984)
Ice Climber (January 30, 1985)
R.O.B. (July 26, 1985)
F-Zero (November 21, 1990)
Animal Crossing (April 14, 2001)
Pikmin (October 26, 2001)
Rhythm Heaven (August 3, 2006)
Wii Fit (December 1, 2007)
Xenoblade Chronicles (June 10, 2010)
Splatoon (May 28, 2015)
Also, the third parties at the end are in chronological order as well.
PAC-MAN (May 22, 1980)
Street Fighter (August 30, 1987)
Mega Man (December 17, 1987)
Final Fantasy (December 18, 1987)
Sonic The Hedgehog (June 23, 1991)
Bayonetta (October 29, 2009)
in hindsight its funny that final fantasy was born a day after mega man lol
Anyways, I added four characters, two veterans and two newcomers. Should be reasonable enough considering the timespan they could have.
Ice Climbers: Should definitely be first in line provided we see new additions. Could be a good way to show off how stronger the NX is by having them in a 8 player match, lol.
Wolf: Besides Ice Climbers, he's the only other veteran left that that makes enough sense on his own (sorry Ivysaur and Squritle) and isn't owned by a batshit insane third party company (RIP Snake). I just hope Sakurai does't look at the horrific sales for Star Fox Zero and decides that Star Fox should only have two characters from here on out...
Inkling: No explanation needed.
Chorus Kids: Any RH character can go here, to be honest. Outside of Splatoon, Rhythm Heaven is the only new Nintendo series left that I think warrants a playable character in Smash. And perhaps Sakurai agrees, since it looks like he planned on doing something major with it.
MulderYuffie
Member
Was sad they got cut from SSB4 they'll be back for sure.
If Smash NX receives new content (and that's a really big if at this point), those are the four characters I would most expect to see added as well. I also think there's a good chance we'd get a new Pokémon from Sun/Moon.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
If we are going to see NX announcement at end of the year, so I presume November would be perfect timing for the announcement. I wonder if we are going to see Smash 4-style trailer or Melee style trailer.
Smash 4-style: we are going to get a newcomer(s) or veteran(s) trailer per direct. (like November, Jan, March, E3) I would imagine that they might release the game like few weeks after E3 2017.
Melee-style trailer: It's pretty much self-explaination. It's basically Melee trailer from old day of E3 where they would show almost everything at once. If it happens, they might release the game before E3 2017.
I think Smash Bros NX's release date is more likely to be somewhen after E3 2017 to keep the hype running for new console.
Yep, that's really BIG IF. If we actually get new contents, those 4 characters are likely to be in the game. Also, I think Takamaru, Grass Starter 7th Generation Pokemon and Third Party Character might have chance to be in the game.
I already set my expectation for worst but if we actually get any new contents, I think we wouldn't get a lot of characters. I would be pleased if we actually get more than 2-4 characters.
Smash 4-style: we are going to get a newcomer(s) or veteran(s) trailer per direct. (like November, Jan, March, E3) I would imagine that they might release the game like few weeks after E3 2017.
Melee-style trailer: It's pretty much self-explaination. It's basically Melee trailer from old day of E3 where they would show almost everything at once. If it happens, they might release the game before E3 2017.
I think Smash Bros NX's release date is more likely to be somewhen after E3 2017 to keep the hype running for new console.
Yep, that's really BIG IF. If we actually get new contents, those 4 characters are likely to be in the game. Also, I think Takamaru, Grass Starter 7th Generation Pokemon and Third Party Character might have chance to be in the game.
I already set my expectation for worst but if we actually get any new contents, I think we wouldn't get a lot of characters. I would be pleased if we actually get more than 2-4 characters.
In approximately one year, Sakurai and a tiny DLC team created seven additional characters and eight stages.
If Sakurai was so inclined, he and his team could easily release Smash NX as a launch title next March with a handful of exclusive characters and stages. Plus, its a retail product, so it would have a much larger team than the DLC did.
If Sakurai was so inclined, he and his team could easily release Smash NX as a launch title next March with a handful of exclusive characters and stages. Plus, its a retail product, so it would have a much larger team than the DLC did.