Atlus handling the western localization of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

Ridley327 said:
Could always ask for Jack Thompson to be reinstated. The guy tried to make Killer7 moral outrage a thing!
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I know this is a joke but did he ever actually achieve anything that negatively affected a game? Hot coffee maybe? Just wondering what effect outrage by him could have on #FE.

Super unrelated but I would defend Killer7 to my death -- that game is so amazing and this is the best level select screen ever made.
 
Palculator said:
Super unrelated but I would defend Killer7 to my death -- that game is so amazing and this is the best level select screen ever made.
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The best part about Thompson going after Killer7 was because he read an IGN article that completely blew the game's sexual content out of control. Even sleazy ambulance chasers go to IGN!

EDIT: Hey, you had more! To the best of anyone's knowledge, Thompson didn't do jack shit. Even falsely promising full-blown sex scenes were to be had for owners of the game wasn't enough to get people interested.

Slightly related, that was a game that did have a censorship difference between platforms, but it was Sony that called for an audio mute during the game's sole sex scene. The Gamecube version is entirely untouched.
 
-Horizon- said:
The only outrage for Senran Kagura was some random review or blog or something talking about it. Or was that a different game lol

Oh wait, that may have been dragon's crown. And even then that outrage did jack diddly squat.
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All I remember about Senran Kagura was there was some translation communication. The Official Nintendo Magazine in UK wrote an article calling it disgusting. The creator heard this, thought the magazine was the voice of Nintendo (as opposed to a magazine that hosted "Nintendo should go third party" editorials), and briefly suggested sticking to Vita. In the end, it turned out to be a huge misunderstanding, and SK2 was released on 3DS.
 
-Horizon- said:
The only outrage for Senran Kagura was some random review or blog or something talking about it. Or was that a different game lol

Oh wait, that may have been dragon's crown. And even then that outrage did jack diddly squat.
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Senran Kagura did get backlash for SK2

Dungeon Travelers 2 got this .

If anything, the latest outrage for this type of content was Detructoid's DOAX3 review
 
Ridley327 said:
EDIT: Hey, you had more!
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Felt wrong to have the first post on this page just be me jerking off to a wholly unrelated game @_@
Ridley327 said:
To the best of anyone's knowledge, Thompson didn't do jack shit. Even falsely promising full-blown sex scenes were to be had for owners of the game wasn't enough to get people interested.

Slightly related, that was a game that did have a censorship difference between platforms, but it was Sony that called for an audio mute during the game's sole sex scene. The Gamecube version is entirely untouched.
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Yeah, I figured he didn't actually affect much in terms of legislation or other legal consequences so it seems like he just gave a bunch of games more publicity, lol. Kind of like Mortal Kombat back in the day. Also, glad I played the GameCube version, then!
 
axisofweevils said:
All I remember about Senran Kagura was there was some translation communication. The Official Nintendo Magazine in UK wrote an article calling it disgusting. The creator heard this, thought the magazine was the voice of Nintendo (as opposed to a magazine that hosted "Nintendo should go third party" editorials), and briefly suggested sticking to Vita. In the end, it turned out to be a huge misunderstanding, and SK2 was released on 3DS.
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Ah yep, that was it.

Thank god Takaki stuck with the 3ds.

And that is a weird magazine to have an article, even if its an opinion, about going 3rd party lol.
 
-Horizon- said:
Ah yep, that was it.

Thank god Takaki stuck with the 3ds.

And that is a weird magazine to have an article, even if its an opinion, about going 3rd party lol.
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What made it worse was it was the 100th celebration issue with Miyamoto drawn cover. Something like: "By the time the 200th issue hits, you won't be playing Mario games on a Nintendo console".

Of course, the magazine closed long before issue 200.
 
mankoto said:
Senran Kagura did get backlash for SK2

Dungeon Travelers 2 got this .

If anything, the latest outrage for this type of content was Detructoid's DOAX3 review
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I think there was a gaf thread about that dungeon travelers 2 article and I got temp banned from it for little reason >.>

axisofweevils said:
What made it worse was it was the 100th celebration issue with Miyamoto drawn cover. Something like: "By the time the 200th issue hits, you won't be playing Mario games on a Nintendo console".

Of course, the magazine closed long before issue 200.
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lolwat

Official Nintendo Magazine my butt
 
mankoto said:
Senran Kagura did get backlash for SK2

Dungeon Travelers 2 got this .

If anything, the latest outrage for this type of content was Detructoid's DOAX3 review
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The controversy for those games actually helped sales, though. DT2 was on top of the Amazon Vita game charts before it released, and DoAX3 set sales records at Play-Asia.
timetokill said:
So uh...

Does the Japanese version have English subs in it?
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No, unfortunately.
 
Tohsaka said:
The controversy for those games actually helped sales, though. DT2 was on top of the Amazon Vita game charts before it released, and DoAX3 set sales records at Play-Asia.
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I think you're right but that review was after said sales record has been set. I'm pretty sure that review was more or less a reaction to the Play-Asia kerfuffle given the follow up that was written shortly after and the business with PA is more responsible for controversy related sales.

That review is super misguided, by the way, as is relying on Amazon reviews.
 
This just seems like a poor choice of game to try to "broaden its appeal". It's super-niche. Nintendo can be weird sometimes, but I think there's a reason Atlus didn't publish this themselves here(it won't sell).
 
Tamanon said:
This just seems like a poor choice of game to try to "broaden its appeal". It's super-niche. Nintendo can be weird sometimes, but I think there's a reason Atlus didn't publish this themselves here(it won't sell).
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They didn't publish it in Japan either. This was always to be published by Nintendo everywhere.
 
After the edits in Fatal Frame V (a game I was excited about being localized in English, but quickly lost interest when I read about the numerous removal of content in-game as well as being a digital-only release) and Fire Emblem Fates (where the edits could have been worse), I just knew Mirage Sessions would get hit with the "censor stick" pretty hard. Unfortunately, my assumptions were correct. :/

The editing of a few costumes in-game I could live with. Unnecessary? Sure, but not a deal-breaker. However, the potential removal of entire DLC (hot springs), and now that I hear they're removing/altering a crucial element/dungeon in-game? That might be the breaking point for me.

It's really upsetting. Here you have a game, so immersed in Japanese culture, and you remove all of the culture elements of it. The only thing they keep is the setting and Japanese VO, which is likely a time-cutting measure, since they likely didn't feel like recording English VO for it. But it's supposed to give us that "authentic Japanese experience", that they mentioned in the Nintendo Direct right? Yeah, good luck doing that without anything gravure/idol-related (when the game is essentially centered around it). Even the hot springs inclusion, a popular element in Japanese culture, was also (presumably) removed.

I'm getting really tired of Nintendo (or maybe this was Atlus's doing, but I doubt it), telling me what is/isn't acceptable. With the availability of the Internet and social media, we're no long blind to these changes. If they want to change something for a reason, they should just come out and say it, along with their reason for doing so. Simply not saying anything and leaving what is/isn't removed as ambiguous as possible doesn't feel right, and is just disrespectful to the fan-base.

I haven't cancelled my pre-order yet, but honestly...I'm really tempted to. I'm just worried as to what other changes are prevalent in the game (I'm guessing there are a lot), and I'm honestly frustrated in supporting these changes. :/
 
Tamanon said:
This just seems like a poor choice of game to try to "broaden its appeal". It's super-niche. Nintendo can be weird sometimes, but I think there's a reason Atlus didn't publish this themselves here(it won't sell).
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Why would Nintendo let Atlus publish this themselves? It was fully funded by Nintendo and features Nintendo staff working on it, along with featuring one of their biggest IPs.
 
Tamanon said:
This just seems like a poor choice of game to try to "broaden its appeal". It's super-niche. Nintendo can be weird sometimes, but I think there's a reason Atlus didn't publish this themselves here(it won't sell).
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Nintendo published it because they were the ones who accepted Atlus propósal to make an RPG with FE/SMT elements. it could have been "published" by Atlus, but the game is fully owned and funded by Nintendo, they even let Atlus handle the localization but with obvious strict rules.
 
Sub Boss said:
Nintendo published it because they were the ones who accepted Atlus propósal to make an RPG with FE/SMT elements. it could have been "published" by Atlus, but the game is fully owned and funded by Nintendo, they even let Atlus handle the localization but with obvious strict rules.
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It was Nintendo's proposal.
 
I have no problem waiting for alternative games to play and skipping works that are affected by this type of conservative crap. It seems like something inevitable on the DS platform though.
 
Tohsaka said:
The controversy for those games actually helped sales, though. DT2 was on top of the Amazon Vita game charts before it released, and DoAX3 set sales records at Play-Asia.
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Trust me, I remember watching SK:Burst's preorders basically skyrocket. As for DoAX3, I'd blame Play-Asia manufacturing outrage for it.

The only times I can think backlash went "wrong" was fan backlash. And that was mainly Mugen Souls and Monster Monpiece. Although out of Monpiece IFI said they wouldn't localize a game if it had to be censored... Which in its own right potentially causes its own problems.
 
dragonlife said:
Treehouse is actually fucking awesome. Their writing is appealing, charming, and really good in the games that allow it to shine most (longer games). I can't hold any censoring against Treehouse specifically, either, when they work for Nintendo, who ultimately makes all the decisions. It's bullshit what things get censored sometimes, but that's how it is. And in regards to meme usage... it's cringeworthy because Treehouse is so good at writing that memes undermine their talent (at least to me. Some probably just focus on a company using memes regardless of how good their writing's been) but it's still only a small percent of the script. I haven't played Triforce Heroes, Xenoblade Chronicles X, or Fates yet, though.

Also, you'd rather have Mother 3 unreleased officially outside of Japan than it being handled by Treehouse? It being localized won't make the fan translation cease to exist. I think it would even strengthen your "Treehouse is awful" vendetta because people would undoubtedly compare the two. Brand recognition isn't a bad thing, and more people would know of the EarthBound/Mother series if it was officially localized. This all reeks of the brand of selfishness only a gamer can have.
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To be fair as someone somewhat concerned that Treehouse may mess with elements of the game, unless I misread, they didn't say that they didn't want NoA to localize it. Just that they're worried about it.
 
mankoto said:
Trust me, I remember watching SK:Burst's preorders basically skyrocket. As for DoAX3, I'd blame Play-Asia manufacturing outrage for it.

The only times I can think backlash went "wrong" was fan backlash. And that was mainly Mugen Souls and Monster Monpiece. Although out of Monpiece IFI said they wouldn't localize a game if it had to be censored... Which in its own right potentially causes its own problems.
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Yeah, at least we get Asian English versions for the Genkai Tokki games now (still waiting for Moero Crystal pre-orders to open).
 
lol. It's funny reading posts from people that assumed nothing would be changed just because it was Atlus doing the localization rather than Treehouse. I never delved too deep in the topic, but I remember saying early on that those types of changes are the type that are mandated by higher-ups at Nintendo. Lo' and Behold, it's the same case with Atlus doing the work where it's obviously changes due to higher up because it's not consistent with the other games they localize.
 
Where are people getting these ideas about actual story content being removed?

I could personally give two shits about the actual changes that are being made in a vacuum here (as far as what appears to be confirmed) but they are pretty baffling considering this game is so niche they're not even bothering to dub it. So it's like, why? Are you just trying to poke the bear, Nintendo?

Of course I can't help but be a little salty about the situation because I feel like this wouldn't even be an issue to start with if the product had ended up being the game everyone expected when the initial announcement was made. :P
 
Having Rainfall describe this as "censorship" is disappointing.

Context...interesting theory.

This is NeoGAF. Going off-topic is par for the course here yet one small sentence that has the initials "GG" in them = "DERAILMENT"? The fuck, guys.
 
Kaiterra said:
Where are people getting these ideas about actual story content being removed?

I could personally give two shits about the actual changes that are being made in a vacuum here (as far as what appears to be confirmed) but they are pretty baffling considering this game is so niche they're not even bothering to dub it. So it's like, why? Are you just trying to poke the bear, Nintendo?

Of course I can't help but be a little salty about the situation because I feel like this wouldn't even be an issue to start with if the product had ended up being the game everyone expected when the initial announcement was made. :P
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I believe there is story content related to
Tsubasa wearing swimsuit
. If the costume removal is true then I doubt this would be unaltered.
 
shadow2810 said:
I believe there is story content related to
Tsubasa wearing swimsuit
. If the costume removal is true then I doubt this would be unaltered.
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Fatal Frame dealed with something similar and the only change to the scene was that they put the girl in another outfit while the scene remained intact.
 
Kaiterra said:
Where are people getting these ideas about actual story content being removed?

I could personally give two shits about the actual changes that are being made in a vacuum here (as far as what appears to be confirmed) but they are pretty baffling considering this game is so niche they're not even bothering to dub it. So it's like, why? Are you just trying to poke the bear, Nintendo?

Of course I can't help but be a little salty about the situation because I feel like this wouldn't even be an issue to start with if the product had ended up being the game everyone expected when the initial announcement was made. :P
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I don't think they are doing this for the audience for the game or trying to broaden the appeal. I think they are doing this for their image as a whole. Outside of few exceptions it seems NOA want to keep a family friendly image and it seems the games from the Japanese side tend to be fan servicey enough to annoy them and force them to edit stuff.
 
rhandino said:
Fatal Frame dealed with something similar and the only change to the scene was that they put the girl in another outfit while the scene remained intact.
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It didn't really stay intact, because it didn't make sense anymore in context. The character was a gravure model, and she was uncomfortable being photographed in a revealing bikini. In the western version, she's just wearing her same outfit she has on the rest of the game, which doesn't really make any sense.
 
Tohsaka said:
It didn't really stay intact, because it didn't make sense anymore in context. The character was a gravure model, and she was uncomfortable being photographed in a revealing bikini. In the western version, she's just wearing her same outfit she has on the rest of the game, which doesn't really make any sense.
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The scene still makes sense because everything remained the same (angles, music, dialog, etc...) and you still get the feeling that she she was NOT into it.
 
shadow2810 said:
I believe there is story content related to
Tsubasa wearing swimsuit
. If the costume removal is true then I doubt this would be unaltered.
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Other then a costume change though is there any evidence of changing of story/dungeon/content? I don't really care about costume DLCs, but removal of in-game content is annoying.
 
Vamphuntr said:
I don't think they are doing this for the audience for the game or trying to broaden the appeal. I think they are doing this for their image as a whole. Outside of few exceptions it seems NOA want to keep a family friendly image and it seems the games from the Japanese side tend to be fan servicey enough to annoy them and force them to edit stuff.
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I can agree with this.
I think NOA has a warped sense of trying to maintain that image for better or worse. Mostly worse.
 
StereoVsn said:
Other then a costume change though is there any evidence of changing of story/dungeon/content? I don't really care about costume DLCs, but removal of in-game content is annoying.
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There are two tweets earlier in this thread stating as such.

Game is off the list now. I don't think this one has enough clout to push 300K copies like Fates did.
 
FluxWaveZ said:
Better shot:

Again, I'm just bummed I won't get to experience the content in the game as it was originally developed by Atlus because of unclear reasons. I'd feel better if the reason for changes weren't so nebulous, but all it looks to me right now is unnecessary and misguided.

If Atlus were publishing this, I guarantee you these changes wouldn't be made.
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This is embarassing... I wish there was some way of encouraging a change back to a more laissez-faire Nintendo without voting with my wallet, but this is putting me off NX since one of the big things I like out of Nintendo are RPG's (since I couldn't care less about 2D platformers). I don't want a nerfed product.

I don't care what NOA's party line was, this game was never going to be above T, it doesn't work that way.

And let's not pretend it's just swimsuits being covered. The Hot Springs DLC is gone or severely nerfed and you know it. That 4chan leak was on point about everything else.

I really think The Last Story would have had a lot of its more risque content censored if NOA had localised it in 2016 (rather than NOE in 2011). That game was a T by the way.
 
From what I've read about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, its had multiple costume edits and similar changes done so far, and consequently this is yet another game that I can't support. According to an Atlus PR guy on Twitter, this is more NoA's fault than Atlus's, so I can't really blame Atlus.
http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
https://twitter.com/JohnLHardin/status/724322908965732352

Still, I'm going to take my usual route of just complaining to NoA via an email and also send Atlus USA an email with a similar complaint of such changes so they know why I'm not buying. I'm really tired of reading of changes like this. I just want the games to be released in the US exactly the same, but in English. I cannot support censorship of any kind. I have similar thoughts on this as that of Tom's from XSeed's before he stopped posting here.
 
Battlechili1 said:
From what I've read about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, its had multiple costume edits and similar changes done so far, and consequently this is yet another game that I can't support. According to an Atlus PR guy on Twitter, this is more NoA's fault than Atlus's, so I can't really blame Atlus.
http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
https://twitter.com/JohnLHardin/status/724322908965732352

Still, I'm going to take my usual route of just complaining to NoA via an email and also send Atlus USA an email with a similar complaint of such changes so they know why I'm not buying. I'm really tired of reading of changes like this. I just want the games to be released in the US exactly the same, but in English. I cannot support censorship of any kind. I have similar thoughts on this as that of Tom's from XSeed's before he stopped posting here.
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do you have the email addresses on hand? I'll send an email also to both, as much of a waste of time as it will be.
 
Battlechili1 said:
From what I've read about Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, its had multiple costume edits and similar changes done so far, and consequently this is yet another game that I can't support. According to an Atlus PR guy on Twitter, this is more NoA's fault than Atlus's, so I can't really blame Atlus.
http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
https://twitter.com/JohnLHardin/status/724322908965732352

Still, I'm going to take my usual route of just complaining to NoA via an email and also send Atlus USA an email with a similar complaint of such changes so they know why I'm not buying. I'm really tired of reading of changes like this. I just want the games to be released in the US exactly the same, but in English. I cannot support censorship of any kind. I have similar thoughts on this as that of Tom's from XSeed's before he stopped posting here.
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Of course it is. Just look at something like P4D, which is obviously heavily based around a pop theme just like TMS. It would look much different if it were a NoA published game.
 
Obviously it isn't ATLUS's fault.

They even did this.
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Battlechili1 said:
According to an Atlus PR guy on Twitter, this is more NoA's fault than Atlus's, so I can't really blame Atlus.
http://operationrainfall.com/2016/04/24/tokyo-mirage-sessions-fe-altered-western-release/
https://twitter.com/JohnLHardin/status/724322908965732352
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For what it's worth, that tweet is saying that it's up to Nintendo on whether or not they'd ever document the changes made during localization. Even if Nintendo enforcing the changes is probably the case, that's not remotely what he's saying there and it doesn't do anybody good to start throwing it around as proof.
 
I can't wait for Nintendo to announce that, instead of having the swimsuit DLC outfits, we get Zelda/Zero Suit Samus-themed ones! Hey, it worked for Fatal Frame V, right!?

Seriously, Nintendo and their recent edits have me seriously re-considering that NX purchase. I know I'll probably purchase one anyway, for the Nintendo-exclusive titles (Mario, Zelda, etc.), but I'm not happy about it. :/
 
Idk why people would keep saying its Atlus, if anything based on their output they would want to keep most things in

Of course its on NOA
 
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