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As someone who grew up in upstate NY, there's basically one person per mile in some areas (I exaggerate a little but not by much)

It's also hugely white with a very tiny minority population. No real surprise he won those areas.

Meanwhile Hillary carried 75% of the minority vote and they still try to spin him as being a more electable Democrat. Those gymnastics.

Also that 'Republicans haven't even begun focusing on her' line of thought is a joke. The only reason things look calm is because they've run out of ammo over the last 20 years and you've tuned out their attacks which are still constant today.

She is likely the only person they hate more than Obama.
 
Butts-a-plenty said:
Barack Obama was also relatively unknown to most of the country in 2007 when he kicked off his campaign.
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Relative to whom exactly?

He'd already become a national figure since the DNC speech in 2004. He was one of the democrats top fundraisers, and was in demand across the country for speeches. His book was a best seller. Heck, some of the early slams against him in his time in the Senate was that he was too popular and too much of a show horse rather than a work horse.

In terms of sitting senators at the time, I think Clinton and Kennedy were probably the only ones with bigger public recognition. Obama was a *big* think in Democratic politics ever since the convention.
 
plop said:
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Checkmate.
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FIGHT FOR TREEPLE VOTING RIGHTS!
 
teruterubozu said:
Well, Andrew Jackson was a Democrat too.
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Not to be rude, but what's the point you're trying to make here?

balladofwindfishes said:
The biggest difference between Sanders and Obama is that Obama is Obama. If Sanders had the orating abilities and charisma of Obama, he'd probably be doing a lot better.
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That's probably true. When your speeches are best known for how often you talk about Wall Street and how wildly you swing your hands and fingers about while you talk, you're likely not a great orator.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
The biggest difference between Sanders and Obama is that Obama is Obama. If Sanders had the orating abilities and charisma of Obama, he'd probably be doing a lot better.
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Also Obama's ability to discuss policy in detail at any time. This often gets overlooked but Obama knew what he was talking about and could actually talk about it in detail. Even things he was weak on he learned as much as he could and often as he could. Sanders is the opposite of this. This is why the comparison with Obama has never made a bit of sense outside of getting the backing of young voters. There was an insane amount of substance with Obama that simply isn't there with Sanders. It's why Obama got the backing of so many in the Senate when he ran splitting endorsements with Clinton. It's also why the people he's worked with for years are not and have not backed Sanders. That is extremely telling about the type of person he is.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
The biggest difference between Sanders and Obama is that Obama is Obama. If Sanders had the orating abilities and charisma of Obama, he'd probably be doing a lot better.
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That and Obama's campaign team was the most brilliant of the 21st century, unlike the Amateur Hour that is Bernie's.

Guess who most of Obama's campaign staff works for now?
 
Effect said:
Also Obama's ability to discuss policy in detail at any time. This often gets overlooked but Obama knew what he was talking about and could actually talk about it in detail. Even things he was weak on he learned as much as he could and often as he could. Sanders is the opposite of this. This is why the comparison with Obama has never made a bit of sense outside of getting the backing of young voters. There was an insane amount of substance with Obama that simply isn't there with Sanders. It's why Obama got the backing of so many in the Senate when he ran splitting endorsements with Clinton. It's also why the people he's worked with for years are not and have not backed Sanders. That is extremely telling about the type of person he is.
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Yeah but that's because Obama was always secretly a part of teh establishmentz. We won't get fooled again! Bernie is the real deal, I mean it this time!
 
Butts-a-plenty said:
Barack Obama was also relatively unknown to most of the country in 2007 when he kicked off his campaign.
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Not really. He was coming off of an amazing speech in 04 and used the system to get his name out there. He was able to setup a basic plan during those 4 years to compete against clinton.

Should sanders have done the same? Maybe. But he hates the way the current system is set up and I doubt he expected his message to resonate so well with the general public. I mean the guy had absolutely nothing when he started.
 
dramatis said:
At the polls as a worker I discovered that nobody uses Google, because if they did they would be able to find out that they can find the details of their registration at home before ever needing to run three poll sites to know where they are supposed to go to vote.

So it doesn't surprise me that people can't even find like, the basic fact that NYC + LI + Syracuse + Rochester + Buffalo are easily more than 50% of NY's entire population.
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I think its probably larger than 50% of the population. The times has a map that shows you actual numbers of people who voted in each county. They also have a neat one that breaks down just New York city.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
The biggest difference between Sanders and Obama is that Obama is Obama. If Sanders had the orating abilities and charisma of Obama, he'd probably be doing a lot better.
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The thing that is keeping Sanders from repeating Obama's success is his lack of the black vote.

The 2008 presidential primaries pitted Obama's coalition of white liberals and black voters against Hillary's coalition of blue collar whites, Hispanics and Asians. Sanders has only really acquired the white liberal component of the Obama coalition, which is a big part of the Democratic primary electorate, and has taken him very far, but to win he needed more minority support.
 
Long Primary Carries Costs for Hillary Clinton: Money and Time
While Mrs. Clinton has built a significant advantage in pledged delegates over Mr. Sanders in the Democratic nominating contest, her lead has come at a significant cost. She spent more than she raised in each of the first three months of the year, according to Federal Election Commission data, including more than $12 million on ads in March alone. According to the Campaign Media Analysis Group, Mrs. Clinton has spent at least $20 million on advertising in states like New York, Illinois and Massachusetts, money that could otherwise have been saved for the general election.

Even as Mrs. Clinton’s campaign begins preparing for the general election in November, it has been forced to respond to an advertising blitz by Mr. Sanders, financed by a seemingly unending gusher of small donations. Mr. Sanders spent $46 million in March alone, according to campaign finance records released on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders poured more than $5 million into the expensive New York media market, according to media buyers, hoping to replicate his upset victory in Michigan.
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A large part of the reason why one would hope Bernie suspends his campaign earlier is because of the cost in time and money that his campaign bleeds from the frontrunner. If the Republican side had not been in such disarray this round, Bernie continuing his campaign this long could easily be considered more of a spoiler and annoyance. Luckily for Bernie, the Republicans are a disaster.

With Uncertainty at Top of Ticket, Republicans Back Off in Some States
Committee officials outlined detailed plans in written “playbooks” distributed this year in the most competitive states about how they intended to assist Republican campaigns up and down the ballot with money and manpower. By July 1, Florida was to have 256 field organizers and Ohio another 176, for example, according to a state party chairman in possession of the strategy books who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal matters.

But Sean Spicer, the R.N.C.’s chief strategist, acknowledged this week that the committee had begun informing state parties and statewide campaigns that fulfilling such plans would now be “slower.” He said the pledges had been made with the assumption that Republicans would have “a presumptive presidential nominee by now.”

Just as revealing, the party is also taking steps to create a separate fund-raising entity dedicated to Senate races, an acknowledgment that many of the wealthiest contributors are increasingly focused on protecting Republican control of Congress rather than a presidential campaign they fear is lost.
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nubbe said:
why do rednecks vote against themselves
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They have different priorities and believe different things than you do. While I vehemently disagree with their beliefs and believe the facts agree with me, they are entitled to their opinion.

You also framed that in the most ridiculous way possible but that's besides the point.
 
nubbe said:
why do rednecks vote against themselves
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This is something people who're economically minded say, but it doesn't hold up when you consider voters who aren't single-issue. Most people in the South tend to realize how bad their gov't is, but they don't care as much since a Dem would guarantee pro-choice, pro-SSM, secular laws, and that's unacceptable to them. The best you get is if we run Dems like JBE who are personally socially-conservative, but don't care to legislate on it, and who're economically center-left.

Joey Fox said:
There's no mathematical way for Kasich to even catch Trump, stop buying ads! Every damn commercial break.
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He's fighting to spoil this thing. It's all that matters. Cruz is the same way. Neither of them can catch Trump, so they're banking on taking the convention past the first ballot.
 
Trump needs to start spending some of that $$$. Kasich has gone untouched this election, he has a very dirty history Trump could easily use to attack him with.
 
AntraxSuicide said:
Yes, 5 contests for the Dems, not sure for the GOP.
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Same, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Delaware. Trump and Clinton lead all the polls. Sometimes heavily.

Aaronrules380 said:
Why bother though? Kasich isn't really a threat.
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In places like Oregon tho where it's proportional, every delegate counts. Especially as Trump may end up as little as 1 delegate away from the magic number. (I'd guess 30 - 60 at this point tho).
 
March 1st - 11
March 5h - 4
March 8th - 4
March 15th - 6
April 26th - 5
June 7th - 5

We've only really had 1 super tuesday, and 5 mini's.
 
Of course, it's worth keeping in mind ri and CT combined have significantly less delegates than Maryland, and Pennsylvania has by far the most of this group, so Bernie winning in either RI or CT will probably not be all that significant compared to his losses tomorrow
 
Aaronrules380 said:
Of course, it's worth keeping in mind ri and CT combined have significantly less delegates than Maryland, and Pennsylvania has by far the most of this group, so Bernie winning in either RI or CT will probably not be all that significant compared to his losses tomorrow
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Bernie needs to lose RI or we'll get another month of BS from him.
 
Aaronrules380 said:
Of course, it's worth keeping in mind ri and CT combined have significantly less delegates than Maryland, and Pennsylvania has by far the most of this group, so Bernie winning in either RI or CT will probably not be all that significant compared to his losses tomorrow
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None of it really matters anymore. But that won't stop r/s4p thinking they're going to take 80% of California to make up the delegate gap.
 
Aaronrules380 said:
Of course, it's worth keeping in mind ri and CT combined have significantly less delegates than Maryland, and Pennsylvania has by far the most of this group, so Bernie winning in either RI or CT will probably not be all that significant compared to his losses tomorrow
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Not only that, if he wins it won't be by much. He might net a few delegates, but judging by how she is beasting in the Penn polls, she could easily net 30 delegates over him there alone.

In fact, judging by polls, Hillary could end tomorrow with a net of 50 delegates, lead up to 290~
 
You Are Viewtiful said:
Bernie needs to lose RI or we'll get another month of BS from him.
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I doubt RI matters much and that regard. Even if he won ALL of the delegates there, he'd still have won less of delegate advantage there than Hilary is likely to win in Pennsylvania alone. And that's absolutely not going to happen. If anything he'll win one or two more delegates there than Hilary does, but that's not a huge win when he's so far behind
 
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