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[Amir0x]

I don't think anything is in the bag come November. She hasn't faced too much negative campaigning from the GOP, which won't be tough. Plus there is the FBI thing. We will see but I don't think anything is certain with the general election.

She has almost without reservation faced more persistent, unending, withering GOP attacks than virtually any other Democratic candidate in the past forty years. The GOP had assumed she would be the nominee for YEARS and so pushed several clearly politically motivated scandals to try to derail her, and that was before she even announced for President.

This is simply revisionist history bullshit.

 

[Josh5890]

I was being more than a little hyperbolic, but the FBI thing is a whole bunch of nothing and she's been up against negative campaigning from the GOP since the mid ninties. If she sinks, it'll be for a reason none of us have thought of at this point (that will seem supremely obvious in retrospect, lol.)



The point is, they've been going at her with all barrels blazing for decades and they haven't sunk her yet. What could they possibly have left in the tank they haven't already used?

If you ignore the last 20 years, then yea, not too much negative campaigning.

Ok maybe I was being a little too broad but I meant that she hasn't felt any pressure from the GOP this election so far. Yes she has been attacked in the past but so far this has been just fighting within party lines, like what a normal primary is.

 

[ApharmdX]

Her favorability is so low because she's had to deal with 20 years of well funded GOP campaign crap.

Come on. I understand liking Clinton but she's had some questionable judgment (and continues to display questionable judgement), and been involved in some major scandals, two of which are ongoing. When independents choose words like "dishonest" or "untrustworthy" as those which first come to mind about Hillary Clinton, that's not just GOP slander. There have been real issues with Clinton's credibility, judgment, and principles over the last couple of decades. These have impacted her favorability, there's no way around that.

On the other hand, Hillary is intelligent, experienced, and shows a fantastic grasp of a wide range of policy. I'm not saying she's all bad. Just, you can't wave your hands away and dismiss her faults.

You're only talking Democrats. Repubs are a different beast entirely

Perhaps. I mean, you must be right, because they throw out the "socialism" card like its going out of style. It must poll well among GOP focus groups.

 

[BanGy.nz]

Ok maybe I was being a little too broad but I meant that she hasn't felt any pressure from the GOP this election so far. Yes she has been attacked in the past but so far this has been just fighting within party lines, like what a normal primary is.

Benghazi.

 

[Crabernacle]

Ok maybe I was being a little too broad but I meant that she hasn't felt any pressure from the GOP this election so far. Yes she has been attacked in the past but so far this has been just fighting within party lines, like what a normal primary is.

Like Karl Rove's superpac "American Crossroads" that's been running attack ads aimed at hitting her from the left, for pretty much the entire primary? They're trying to sow discord among the left wing of the party at best, or just plain ratfucking at worst. Bernie has benefited from these multi-million dollar ad campaigns, and has done precious little to repudiate them. Or if you want to go back further, the Citizens United ruling was over a particularly nasty anti-Hillary movie. But sure, keep on believing she hasn't been consistently attacked by the Right for the last 25+ years.

 

[Josh5890]

Like Karl Rove's superpac "American Crossroads" that's been running attack ads aimed at hitting her from the left, for pretty much the entire primary? They're trying to sow discord among the left wing of the party at best, or just plain ratfucking at worst. Bernie has benefited from these multi-million dollar ad campaigns, and has done precious little to repudiate them. Or if you want to go back further, the Citizens United ruling was over a particularly nasty anti-Hillary movie. But sure, keep on believing she hasn't been consistently attacked by the Right for the last 25+ years.

Try reading my posts in full. I never said she has been untouched for 25 years.

 

[Blader]

Ok maybe I was being a little too broad but I meant that she hasn't felt any pressure from the GOP this election so far. Yes she has been attacked in the past but so far this has been just fighting within party lines, like what a normal primary is.

Did you miss the 11 hour marathon of bullshit questioning she sat through last fall?

 

[Maxim726X]

She has almost without reservation faced more persistent, unending, withering GOP attacks than virtually any other Democratic candidate in the past forty years. The GOP had assumed she would be the nominee for YEARS and so pushed several clearly politically motivated scandals to try to derail her, and that was before she even announced for President.

This is simply revisionist history bullshit.

Yep.

If anyone honestly believes that Benghazi wasn't fabricated to hurt her candidacy in this election... I have a bridge to sell you. They've been planning for this for years now.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Benghazi.

Seriously. She has to sit through 13 hours of political theatre, which was admitted as being such by Kevin McCarthy (and conservatives revolted against him not because they disagreed, they were just mad he was so candid about it) and they're STILL hitting her on it. How has she not faced that much pressure already?

I honestly think if Trump is the nominee, too much of the establishment GOP will be too busy hitting the deck and scrambling to save their downballot candidates that attacks on Hillary aren't going to do much to impede her rise to the presidency. Essentially they'll concede the White House to save the House (Senate is probably gone at this point). For how bad Clinton's favor abilities are, Trump's are much worse.

 

[uncelestial]

Her favorability is so low because she's had to deal with 20 years of well funded GOP campaign crap.

I don't disagree but it's going to get much much worse. Just remember what John Kerry went through. There are kind of true things that caused mini-scandals over the years, and there's outright lies that the GOP will run trying to prevent her election.

 

[shortsFortallPeople]

I don't disagree but it's going to get much much worse. Just remember what John Kerry went through.

an incumbent president in the middle of a war who was in the oval office during the largest terrorist attack in US History?

i mean Kerry stank but he also had the odds against him

 

[Sean C]

I don't disagree but it's going to get much much worse. Just remember what John Kerry went through. There are kind of true things that caused mini-scandals over the years, and there's outright lies that the GOP will run trying to prevent her election.

The GOP has been outright lying about her since the 1990s.

 

[HylianTom]

Did you miss the 11 hour marathon of bullshit questioning she sat through last fall?

My favorite part of that whole event - aside from her staying cool while Gowdy sweated like David Vitter in church - was that her numbers saw a nice rise afterwards.

She's damn lucky that the GOP is about to kneecap itself for her with either an unelectable loon or an installed establishment stooge. They'll still throw the kitchen sink at her - this is likely a vote that'll determine the next 30 years of SCOTUS, after all - but they've already spotted her a huge favor.

 

[The Lamonster]

I don't think anything is in the bag come November. She hasn't faced too much negative campaigning from the GOP, which won't be tough. Plus there is the FBI thing. We will see but I don't think anything is certain with the general election.

man. SO many people say this. yet it's just more manufactured controversies.

Republicans have done an amazing job with unifying their message over the years.

 

[royalan]

I don't disagree but it's going to get much much worse. Just remember what John Kerry went through. There are kind of true things that caused mini-scandals over the years, and there's outright lies that the GOP will run trying to prevent her election.

Outright lies are what they have been doing. Republicans have been doing everything they can to get Hillary's negatives up as high as they can and drive home the subconscious message that Hillary can't be trusted. Here's proof:

There's nothing honest about their efforts here. They've been going scorched earth on Hillary since it became clear years ago that she would run again. See also: Libya, emails.

That's WHY they want Sanders so bad. Hillary's negatives may be high, but she's likely at her ceiling, and America STILL wants her. But Bernie? Oh, with him they've got 30 years of dirt on him that they could use to EASILY paint him as a tax-loving socialist AND anti-American. And unlike Hillary, all of these attacks would be fresh to the public.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

 

[uncelestial]

Outright lies are what they have been doing. Republicans have been doing everything they can to get Hillary's negatives up as high as they can and drive home the subconscious message that Hillary can't be trusted. Here's proof:

There's nothing honest about their efforts here. They've been going scorched earth on Hillary since it became clear years ago that she would run again. See also: Libya, emails.

That's WHY they want Sanders so bad. Hillary's negatives may be high, but she's likely at her ceiling, and America STILL wants her. But Bernie? Oh, with him they've got 30 years of dirt on him that they could use to EASILY paint him as a tax-loving socialist AND anti-American. And unlike Hillary, all of these attacks would be fresh to the public.

Ugh, that graphic makes me wanna fucking puke. One thing you gotta say about Hillary is that she will stand up to those dirty motherfuckers and be all like

I didn't mean to imply they've been "honest" at all, just that something had to happen to kind of warrant a vector of attack in the first place -- however dishonest their argument really was. The Benghazi tactic has been to endlessly dog/investigate Hillary and create so much smoke that people start to assume there's fire. Accusations in the form of a question, that's what's happened so far. Outright lying, Swift Boat style, that's going to start up in earnest. I also wouldn't say that Bernie's 30 years of history are any less problematic than Hillary's 30 years of history. Just because it was criticized then doesn't mean they're going to skip over it now. It's going to get very, very ugly.

I say this to round out the argument that it's time to unite behind her. Every week that goes by where she's getting assailed from both the left and the right is damaging our chances come November. When it's this obvious she's gonna be the nominee, it's time to unite.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

I don't agree with Hillary on a lot of things. But the way the Republicans have treated her for the last 20 years make me want her win more than anything else. She's fought the fight longer, and harder than anyone had any reason expecting her to.

 

[SolarPowered]

Outright lies are what they have been doing. Republicans have been doing everything they can to get Hillary's negatives up as high as they can and drive home the subconscious message that Hillary can't be trusted. Here's proof:

There's nothing honest about their efforts here. They've been going scorched earth on Hillary since it became clear years ago that she would run again. See also: Libya, emails.

That's WHY they want Sanders so bad. Hillary's negatives may be high, but she's likely at her ceiling, and America STILL wants her. But Bernie? Oh, with him they've got 30 years of dirt on him that they could use to EASILY paint him as a tax-loving socialist AND anti-American. And unlike Hillary, all of these attacks would be fresh to the public.

Posts like these are exactly the ones that make me want to vote for Hillary like I did back in 2015. They're so much better than the ones calling Hillary the only candidate because Bernie is a snake oil salesman and whatnot. The Republican party are honestly the only entity on the planet that makes most people look at her as the underdog for even one second. The benghazi hearings definitely helped her more than anything else. Republicans just can't help shooting their own feet.

 

[Piggus]

lol

 

[Kangi]

lol

This would mean something if we lived in a feudal country or the like.

But we don't so it doesn't.

 

[danm999]

lol

Ah yes, the time honoured tradition of 1 square mile, 1 vote.

 

[brainchild]

lol

As a Bernie supporter, I can say that this is embarrassing.

 

[BanGy.nz]

lol

I'm really looking forward to how they'll try and spin next week.

 

[carlsojo]

lol

Jesus. Please stop.

 

[Piggus]

It took a lot of restraint not to say something to the person who posted that lol.

 

[XBP]

Still find the Bernie money machine fascinating. They have an unwavering fundraising apparatus, and they take that money and just... chuck it haphazardly at states. I can't remember a state he DIDN'T outspend Clinton in since, what, Super Tuesday? And usually by massive margins, too; 2:1 is on the low end for them.

Still remember how much money he threw at SC leading right up to getting buried. I know some of you will hate the comparison, but that right there is Jeb! levels of lack of return on investment.

Because nobody knew who this guy was even 6 months ago.How else do you expect him to compete against someone who's been a household name for decades? He has to outspend hillary. Thats the only way to spread his message.

So I'm not an expert in politics, so let me ask you guys, if Bernie decides to run as a Green Party due to Hillary taking the primary, what are the chances of Democratic voters splitting their votes or how badly do you think the split will be?

I dont know why this is asked so often when the guy has said himself that he will support the democratic nominee if he doesn't get the nomination. He has made it clear that he does not want a republican in the office.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

It's funny that he has said that because another Bernie evangelist on my Twitter feed has come out saying that if Hillary gets the nom she won't vote

Truly revolutionary

 

[danm999]

It's funny that he has said that because another Bernie evangelist on my Twitter feed has come out saying that if Hillary gets the nom she won't vote

Truly revolutionary

Like, for anything? Not even downticket races or anything?

Seems very short sighted. You can't opt out of the impact levels of government have on your life.

 

[SamVimes]

It's funny that he has said that because another Bernie evangelist on my Twitter feed has come out saying that if Hillary gets the nom she won't vote

Truly revolutionary

Like hillary voters weren't gonna go for Obama...

 

[Kite]

lol

Reminds me of republican facebook posts with a map saying that most of the country voted for romney.. nevermind the fact that densely populated cities vote democrat and the vast empty rural states vote republican.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

lol

Bernie fans take a page from the Republican playbook yet again...

 

[giga]

Some of my FB friends are still in stage 1 or 2 of the kubler ross model.

 

[dramatis]

At the polls as a worker I discovered that nobody uses Google, because if they did they would be able to find out that they can find the details of their registration at home before ever needing to run three poll sites to know where they are supposed to go to vote.

So it doesn't surprise me that people can't even find like, the basic fact that NYC + LI + Syracuse + Rochester + Buffalo are easily more than 50% of NY's entire population.

And of that 10% how many consider themselves Orthodox and how many would have voted for Sanders had he not made those Israel comments? I agree that he did himself no favours but I don't think it would make much difference aside from a few areas

There are a LOT of Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn. When I walk around my area, I easily see Orthodox Jews walking the streets all the time.

Again, basic Google search.

Although sizable Orthodox Jewish communities are located throughout the United States, many American Orthodox Jews live in New York State, particularly in the New York City Metropolitan Area. Two of the main Orthodox communities in the United States are located in New York City and Rockland County. In New York City, the neighborhoods of Borough Park, Midwood, Williamsburg, and Crown Heights, located in the borough of Brooklyn, have particularly large Orthodox communities. The most rapidly growing community of American Orthodox Jews is located in Rockland County and the Hudson Valley of New York, including the communities of Monsey, Monroe, New Square, and Kiryas Joel. There are also sizable and rapidly growing Orthodox communities throughout New Jersey, particularly in Lakewood, Teaneck, Englewood, Passaic, and Fair Lawn.

 

[massoluk]

Some of my FB friends are still in stage 1 or 2 of the kubler ross model.

Man, do they realize those Upstate New York areas are basically conservative south. He won the Deep South so to speak.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

Everyone knows that it's the number of counties won that actually matters. Just ask President Romney.

 

[Sean C]

Some of my FB friends are still in stage 1 or 2 of the kubler ross model.

Black and Hispanic voters in Queens and the Bronx are clearly in the nefarious grip of Wall Street.

 

[gutter_trash]

lol

proportional = proportional. Bottom Line.

Trees don't vote, people do

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Like hillary voters weren't gonna go for Obama...

And those people were just as stupid.

Same shit.

 

[giga]

proportional = proportional. Bottom Line.

Trees don't vote, people do

Can you prove this claim?

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

proportional = proportional. Bottom Line.

Trees don't vote, people do

Checkmate.

 

[SamVimes]

And those people were just as stupid.

Same shit.

What i mean is that the vast majority of those people are full of shit, so why even bother talking about them?

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Some of my FB friends are still in stage 1 or 2 of the kubler ross model.

What's that grey county

Is that where Hank Scorpio ended up

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Black and Hispanic voters in Queens and the Bronx are clearly in the nefarious grip of Wall Street.

Its amazing how racist all of these pro Bernie pics are when you analyze them.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What's that grey county

Is that where Hank Scorpio ended up

Based on where that is, I believe it's probably a county with a population of 14 people in the middle of a mountain range.

Edit: Wait, maybe not. My mental map of New York is kind of fuzzy, the mountains are further north than that.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

What i mean is that the vast majority of those people are full of shit, so why even bother talking about them?

Yea, I get it, but I think some of us are afraid that too many of them might really hold out and stay true to their word this time.

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

Because nobody knew who this guy was even 6 months ago.How else do you expect him to compete against someone who's been a household name for decades? He has to outspend hillary. Thats the only way to spread his message.

Barack Obama was also relatively unknown to most of the country in 2007 when he kicked off his campaign.

 

[gutter_trash]

Barack Obama was also relatively unknown to most of the country in 2007 when he kicked off his campaign.

The difference between Obama and Sanders is that only one of them is a Democract

 

[eBay Huckster]

Because nobody knew who this guy was even 6 months ago.How else do you expect him to compete against someone who's been a household name for decades?

that's his problem, maybe he should've been making an actual effort to get national exposure before 2015 instead of farting around in vermont

 

[metalslimer]

Well to be fair Barack had given that 2004 speech that many democrats knew about and Oprahs backing was a pretty big public push. Bernie hasn't done much to put him the public spotlight before he launched his campaign.

Of course that's how you actually win. You can't expect to come completely out of nowhere and win. Trump has been a public figure for decades now