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[sturgboski]

Could you fucking imagine Rosario fucking Dawson primarying Hillary Clinton, it'd be embarrassing and hilarious but also kill the 2020 election for the Dems

Rosario Dawson for PILF. *sigh* Sorry, I had to make the joke and I know I contributed nothing with that.

On topic: This is a very weird election cycle wherein the general party for the Republicans seem to not want to get behind Trump (for various reasons). On the Democrat side, Bernie has no path to the nomination even though folks keep holding on to the hope that it happens. But, I mean, its coming down to Trump vs Clinton...how can you not support Clinton? Fine, she might not be the ideal but, Trump as president would be terrible.

Further, both sides, the candidates with no chance are still staying in. The insulting thing though is that Hilary bowed out gracefully for Obama when there was no path to the nomination (and I believe the split was closer). She then went to woo her supporters to Obama's side. Sanders on the town hall on Monday flat out said he wont do that, that its on Hilary, but confusingly he will work to ensure Trump doesnt win. You also have what everyone has feared: Trump is already using Sander's words and campaign literature against Clinton.

 

[ApharmdX]

Does the RedPill crowd actually do anything in the real world aside from doxxing feminists? They'll just continue being angry in their Internet eco-chamber, calling everyone cucks and blaming all their problems on Anita Sarkeesian.

The rest of world, aside from some rednecks, won't care.

I don't find this likely. MANY countries around the world have elected an female head of state without it having any real effect on sexism.
Has Germany, Brazil or South Korea become more sexist after electing an female? I don't think so.

We have a large population of religious fundamentalists here in the US, though. It's more than just "some rednecks". You've got a huge swath of the country where women's rights are under siege. I don't think the backlash will be as bad as with the first black president, but I imagine there will be some. Probably more from the fundies than the alt-right, who I guess are mostly Internet loudmouths?

Not that this is a reason we shouldn't have our first female president. We're way past overdue for that.

They called him the following tonight: an establishment hack, not a progressive and a disaster for the country.

Did they? Well, they fucking supported him, and ran a victory lap in 2012 when he got reelected. That's hypocritical.

 

[TheAbsolution]

The whole thing was a scream from start to finish. I hope it was archived because I want to relive the magic.

You have to pay to get the archives sadly.

 

[ApharmdX]

So by my calculations (may be off), Trump is set to get

Connecticut - 24/28 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Delaware - 16/16 Winner takes all
Maryland - 38/38 seemingly won all districts above 50%
Rhode Island - 15/19 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Pennsylvania - Wins all the 17/17 statewide, the other 54 tbd.

So he wins 110/118. Massive. He was originally predicted to get 74.

How close is he predicted to come to that 1237 after tonight? Looks like he should be very close indeed.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I appreciate your explanation about why support with AA and latino voters is critical but not only do I already understand that but it really doesn't relate to the point I was making.

My point is that black and non-black minority voters have a voice. To dismiss them as just white people because of the statistical majority is incredibly insensitive. If someone says they feel their vote is being suppressed, you don't fucking dismiss their claim because 'since when are white liberals suppressed.' That's fucked.

I mean, when the numbers are that overwhelming, what do you expect people to do? I suppose they can put an asterisk next to their post.

But yeah if someone is saying their vote was suppressed (not sure what you mean by that). As suppression generally means rights being taken away or illegal activities going on. I'll agree that saying in response your quote is out of line. But how many people are actually saying that? Likely very few.

 

[Merc_]

I appreciate your explanation about why support with AA and latino voters is critical but not only do I already understand that but it really doesn't relate to the point I was making.

My point is that black and non-black minority voters have a voice. To dismiss them as just white people because of the statistical majority is incredibly insensitive. If someone says they feel their vote is being suppressed, you don't fucking dismiss their claim because 'since when are white liberals suppressed.' That's fucked.

Dude, the only person I've seen claim that all Bernie supporters are white has been you.

You have to pay to get the archives sadly.

Damn.

 

[Koomaster]

I appreciate your explanation about why support with AA and latino voters is critical but not only do I already understand that but it really doesn't relate to the point I was making.

My point is that black and non-black minority voters have a voice. To dismiss them as just white people because of the statistical majority is incredibly insensitive. If someone says they feel their vote is being suppressed, you don't fucking dismiss their claim because 'since when are white liberals suppressed.' That's fucked.

It's great he won over some token minorities. But if the large majority of his voter base is young and white and people point that out... that's not inflammatory. As was said, it's facts.

 

[Steel]

Did they? Well, they fucking supported him, and ran a victory lap in 2012 when he got reelected. That's hypocritical.

They were talking about how they railed against him in 2012(because he didn't snap his fingers and get rid of money in politics, forget the fact that he appointed two anti-cit united supreme court justices). And how they were against him after the first year.

 

[ApharmdX]

It's great he won over some token minorities. But if the large majority of his voter base is young and white and people point that out... that's not inflammatory. As was said, it's facts.

Yuck.

 

[Steel]

Can I say I can't wait till this election is over? I mean, I'm looking forward to Trump-Hillary debates(aka Bloodletting), but people are losing their fucking minds right now.

 

[Miles X]

How close is he predicted to come to that 1237 after tonight? Looks like he should be very close indeed.

If he does well in Cali, like he's being polled, 50% in most districts, he's got it locked up.

Then factor in at least half of Penn's 54 and yeah .. Indiana has become less crucial.

Similar set up to NY. He was targeted to get 58. Because he got over 50% in majority of districts he got 90/95.

Maryland he was targeted 18, he won over 50% over the map, got all 38 (I think).

He's targeted to get 81 in Cali (though they've raised it slightly to 95). If he once again gets 50% in most districts, you're looking at 140 ... 150 .... 160 ...

 

[GoldenEye 007]

It's great he won over some token minorities. But if the large majority of his voter base is young and white and people point that out... that's not inflammatory. As was said, it's facts.

Ah well, Prodigal, I see your point here. At least with the handful of posters saying stuff like that.

 

[Prodigal Son]

A: Why is it automatically assumed that voter suppression only impacts Bernie supporters?

B: Because Bernie Supporters are victims of the evil establishment. Didn't you know white liberals are the most persecuted group in america?

/s

People (rightfully, in my view) felt that attempts were made to make it difficult for them to vote. The response? Why would that be? They're white liberals! Because surely the alleged suppression would only apply to white people!

It's ridiculous. The comment I'm calling out isn't just a claim that the majority of Bernie voters are young white people. That's a fact. That isn't what was said, however.

 

[Grief51]

We have a large population of religious fundamentalists here in the US, though. It's more than just "some rednecks". You've got a huge swath of the country where women's rights are under siege..

Nah, sure there are many religious people in the USA, but it is nothing compared to Brazil. It is a very staunchly catholic country - way more christian than the US.

Moreover, abortion is completely banned except when the life of the mother is in danger.
Any way you look at it Brazil is just a much more conservative country than America, yet they have elected a female president without any real sexist backlash.

I honestly think you are very mistaken if you think the will be any backlash really. It's just not going to happen.

 

[Dangansona]

We have a large population of religious fundamentalists here in the US, though. It's more than just "some rednecks". You've got a huge swath of the country where women's rights are under siege. I don't think the backlash will be as bad as with the first black president, but I imagine there will be some. Probably more from the fundies than the alt-right, who I guess are mostly Internet loudmouths?

Not that this is a reason we shouldn't have our first female president. We're way past overdue for that.



Did they? Well, they fucking supported him, and ran a victory lap in 2012 when he got reelected. That's hypocritical.

My response to that is that Germany is a very Catholic country, which is a denomination that has it's own problems with representation of women.

Nah, sure there are many religious people in the USA, but it is nothing compared to Brazil. It is a very staunchly catholic country - way more christian than the US.

Moreover, abortion is completely banned except when the life of the mother is in danger.
Any way you look at it Brazil is just a much more conservative country than America, yet they have elected a female president without any real sexist backlash.

I honestly think you are very mistaken if you think the will be any backlash really. It's just not going to happen.

Yeah pretty much the same. Sadly I think Americans are way more open to a female president than a non-white one. But no matter what people will find a reason to be nasty. If Bernie was elected you would see some antisemitism for sure.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

People (rightfully, in my view) felt that attempts were made to make it difficult for them to vote. The response? Why would that be? They're white liberals! Because surely the alleged suppression would only apply to white people!

It's ridiculous. The comment I'm calling out isn't just a claim that the majority of Bernie voters are young white people. That's a fact. That isn't what was said, however.

Attempts by whom? Suppression of minority votes would hurt Hillary far more than Bernie as she has a much larger base of them.

 

[Maxim726X]

People (rightfully, in my view) felt that attempts were made to make it difficult for them to vote. The response? Why would that be? They're white liberals! Because surely the alleged suppression would only apply to white people!

It's ridiculous. The comment I'm calling out isn't just a claim that the majority of Bernie voters are young white people. That's a fact. That isn't what was said, however.

Man, I have no idea what point you're trying to make. I'm not sure you do either.

 

[excelsiorlef]

We have a large population of religious fundamentalists here in the US, though. It's more than just "some rednecks". You've got a huge swath of the country where women's rights are under siege. I don't think the backlash will be as bad as with the first black president, but I imagine there will be some. Probably more from the fundies than the alt-right, who I guess are mostly Internet loudmouths?

Not that this is a reason we shouldn't have our first female president. We're way past overdue for that.



Did they? Well, they fucking supported him, and ran a victory lap in 2012 when he got reelected. That's hypocritical.

They're giant assholes, couple of whom were semi cheering for a Trump win in the name of accelerationism. As well as wishing people would loose all their social services via Trump because they got too complacent about having them and didn't vote Sanders.

That and openly promising to oppose Clinton at every turn during her campaign and presidency.

 

[massoluk]

100% Rhode Island in, Bernie wins 11.7%
100% Delaware in, Hillary wins 20.6%
90.4% Connecticut in, Hillary leads 3.8%
85.4% Maryland in, Hillary leads 30.5%
85.7% Pennsylvania in, Hillary leads 12.5%

Bernie never had a chance with these deep conservative rich people demographics.

 

[maabus1999]

If he does well in Cali, like he's being polled, 50% in most districts, he's got it locked up.

Then factor in at least half of Penn's 54 and yeah .. Indiana has become less crucial.

Similar set up to NY. He was targeted to get 58. Because he got over 50% in majority of districts he got 90/95.

Maryland he was targeted 18, he won over 50% over the map, got all 38 (I think).

He's targeted to get 81 in Cali (though they've raised it slightly to 95). If he once again gets 50% in most districts, you're looking at 140 ... 150 .... 160 ...

Indiana is now a must win for Cruz. Trump takes Indiana, and it is basically a cake walk to the nomination. I mean there is almost no path where he won't reach 1200 now, which would be ludicrous to deny the nomination to the "2nd place guy" who really doesn't have that much support party wide.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Attempts by whom? Suppression of minority votes would hurt Hillary far more than Bernie as she has a much larger base of them.

I'm not speaking to the legitimacy of their claim. My point is simply that we shouldn't generalize people just because of a perceived or statistical majority. It undermines and delegitimizes the voice of the exceptions. This is a very simple and elementary point. Don't fucking generalize people. It's not that hard.


^^

Man, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

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Consider that our fundamentalists widely don't consider Catholics Christian at all, and some believe the new (more liberal) pope is some variation of the anti-Christ, I'm not sure you're right, but I'm not that familiar with Brazilian politics. And I hope I'm wrong, anyway. Obama's election broke the millions of American racists. I don't want to see a repeat of that.

A millionaire blonde white woman as President isn't nearly as controversial as black Obama.

 

[maabus1999]

Alright, catching up. Summary on Ted Cruz after tonight please.

In his words: It is all the media's fault...and 10 foot tall basketball hoops are awesome in Indiana.

 

[ApharmdX]

If he does well in Cali, like he's being polled, 50% in most districts, he's got it locked up.

Then factor in at least half of Penn's 54 and yeah .. Indiana has become less crucial.

Similar set up to NY. He was targetted to get 58. Because he got over 50% in majority of districts he got 90/95.

He's targetted to get 81 in Cali (though they've raised it slightly to 95). If he once again gets 50% in most districts, you're looking at 140 ... 150 .... 160 ...

Trump should hit those targets. Sucks that CA's primary isn't for a five or six weeks though. No chance Cruz and Kasich drop out before that, either, huh?

Nah, sure there are many religious people in the USA, but it is nothing compared to Brazil. It is a very staunchly catholic country - way more christian than the US.

Moreover, abortion is completely banned except when the life of the mother is in danger.
Any way you look at it Brazil is just a much more conservative country than America, yet they have elected a female president without any real sexist backlash.

I honestly think you are very mistaken if you think the will be any backlash really. It's just not going to happen.

Consider that our fundamentalists widely don't consider Catholics Christian at all, and some believe the new (more liberal) pope is some variation of the anti-Christ, I'm not sure you're right, but I'm not that familiar with Brazilian politics. And I hope I'm wrong, anyway. Obama's election broke the millions of American racists. I don't want to see a repeat of that.

 

[Miles X]

Indiana is now a must win for Cruz. Trump takes Indiana, and it is basically a cake walk to the nomination. I mean there is almost no path where he won't reach 1200 now, which would be ludicrous to deny the nomination to the "2nd place guy" who really doesn't have that much support party wide.

If I'm not wrong, I just crunched some numbers. It's now a mathmatically impossibility for Cruz to get enough delegates.

He had 544 before tonight. After tonight he has .. 544. There are 502 left to win, and 146 uncomitted at the convention. So he can't even win on the first ballot of he won all of the delegates going forward (That's 100% wins) and all the uncommitted vote for him on first ballot.

Trump should hit those targets. Sucks that CA's primary isn't for a five or six weeks though. No chance Cruz and Kasich drop out before that, either, huh?

If Cruz dropped, it would be handing Trump the nom. Kasich ... I don't know if that'd do much now tbh.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Nah, sure there are many religious people in the USA, but it is nothing compared to Brazil. It is a very staunchly catholic country - way more christian than the US.

Do you really believe there are more Christians in Brazil than the US?

 

[norm9]

Trump has some real momentum going forward.

 

[FroJay]

Why are Cruz and Kasich still in it at this point? Neither can win, Trump is doing better than projected and the dipshit duo teaming up actually makes them look worse in the eyes of voters.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Trump has some real momentum going forward.

We don't use that word for actual winners.

 

[Miles X]

Why are Cruz and Kasich still in it at this point? Neither can win, Trump is doing better than projected and the dipshit duo teaming up actually makes them look worse in the eyes of voters.

Before tonight it seemed like a not entirely crazy idea to get a contested convention, after tonight, they're shitting themselves and hoping for a miracle.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Cruz's strategy is to deny Trump a majority and then take the nomination on the second or third ballot. I have no idea what Kasich thinks he's doing because his presence is a net benefit to Trump at this point.

 

[danm999]

Cruz's strategy is to deny Trump a majority and then take the nomination on the second or third ballot. I have no idea what Kasich thinks he's doing because his presence is a net benefit to Trump at this point.

Free food.

 

[Steel]

Why are Cruz and Kasich still in it at this point? Neither can win, Trump is doing better than projected and the dipshit duo teaming up actually makes them look worse in the eyes of voters.

They actually have a better chance than Sanders. And they might even get the option to run as a third party establishment candidate to help down-ticket races even if they lose.

None of them have a reasonable chance of getting the nom, though. We really should just get to the main event and get this shitshow done.

 

[hawk2025]

Nah, sure there are many religious people in the USA, but it is nothing compared to Brazil. It is a very staunchly catholic country - way more christian than the US.

Moreover, abortion is completely banned except when the life of the mother is in danger.
Any way you look at it Brazil is just a much more conservative country than America, yet they have elected a female president without any real sexist backlash.

I honestly think you are very mistaken if you think the will be any backlash really. It's just not going to happen.

That is a profoundly misleading view of Brazil's religious makeup.

Catholicism in Brazil is very, very different from elsewhere and often gelled with African religions. Umbanda, for example, is very popular and often practiced by self-proclaimed Catholics, even if when officially polled they do not identify as such.

The country's conservative/liberal makeup is extremely complicated and cannot be easily compared to the US.

 

[Dangansona]

Do you really believe there are more Christians in Brazil than the US?

It's close. 64% of Brazilians are Catholic, 70% of Americans are Christian.

 

[Tallshortman]

Trump should hit those targets. Sucks that CA's primary isn't for a five or six weeks though. No chance Cruz and Kasich drop out before that, either, huh?



Consider that our fundamentalists widely don't consider Catholics Christian at all, and some believe the new (more liberal) pope is some variation of the anti-Christ, I'm not sure you're right, but I'm not that familiar with Brazilian politics. And I hope I'm wrong, anyway. Obama's election broke the millions of American racists. I don't want to see a repeat of that.

Those fundamentalists you're talking about are not a large part of the country as you describe. I've lived in the bible belt my entire life, your raging fundamentalist caricature that thinks Catholics are non-Christian anti-Christ worshiping heathens is a minute portion of the country. A large number of Republican politicians and leadership are Catholic and the catholic vote is pretty split. Just because someone doesn't support abortion rights does not make them some crazy fundamentalist.

There are conservative Christians yes, what you're portraying as a large portion of the electorate is either wrongly informed or intentionally obtuse.

 

[FroJay]

They actually have a better chance than Sanders. And they might even get the option to run as a third party establishment candidate to help down-ticket races even if they lose.

None of them have a reasonable chance of getting the nom, though. We really should just get to the main event and get this shitshow done.

Agreed, let's just get to the Hillary/Trump show. Should be great TV for all.

 

[Oblivion]

People will remember the legendary raid on Rosie O'Donnell's compound for generations.

 

[BanGy.nz]

I have no idea what Kasich thinks he's doing because his presence is a net benefit to Trump at this point.

A burning desire to get more delegates then Rubio, he's edging closer and closer to that magic number.

 

[ApharmdX]

Those fundamentalists you're talking about are not a large part of the country as you describe. I've lived in the bible belt my entire life, your raging fundamentalist caricature that thinks Catholics are non-Christian anti-Christ worshiping heathens is a minute portion of the country. A large number of Republican politicians and leadership are Catholic and the catholic vote is pretty split. Just because someone doesn't support abortion rights does not make them some crazy fundamentalist.

There are conservative Christians yes, what you're portraying as a large portion of the electorate is either wrongly informed or intentionally obtuse.

You are wrong. The evangelical population in the US is a full quarter of the country's population. edit: and they are a disproportionately powerful bloc.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

People will remember the legendary raid on Rosie O'Donnell's compound for generations.

Willis and Hogan, lol

 

[Grief51]

Do you really believe there are more Christians in Brazil than the US?

Yes brazilians in general are way more religious than your average american. I also have the stats to back it up: From a 2009 Gallup survey http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country 86,5 % of brazilians think religion is important vs 65 % in the US.

Also just by visiting both countries as a tourist you can immediately see the difference.

I'm from Europe and imo you would be a fool not to realize there are countries in the world, much more religious than USA, which have elected a female president without a sexist backlash.

Edit: Also the US has 22,8 % without a religion vs 8 % in Brazil. Where is your stats that somehow the USA is more religious than Brazil??

 

[Measley]

Honestly, do you have a link of how minorities have been voting in the Democratic Primary? Not just black Americans, but also Hispanic/Latino Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, etc?



You're referring to the minorities that voted for him being trotted out as "see not white," right?

In 2012, Obama got a higher percentage of the Asian American vote than he did for the Hispanic vote. Both were over 70%.

 

[norm9]

People will remember the legendary raid on Rosie O'Donnell's compound for generations.

Great cross section of America. Love it!

 

[Steel]

People will remember the legendary raid on Rosie O'Donnell's compound for generations.

Where was Ben Carson during all that? Is he sleeping under the table?

 

[8 X 11 Printer Paper]

Where was Ben Carson during all that? Is he sleeping under the table?

Who do you think lead the raid?

 

[Akiraptor]

So by my calculations (may be off), Trump is set to get

Connecticut - 24/28 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Delaware - 16/16 Winner takes all
Maryland - 38/38 seemingly won all districts above 50%
Rhode Island - 15/19 (only statewide is proportional, 10 delegates, he has 60%~ so loses 4)
Pennsylvania - Wins all the 17/17 statewide, the other 54 tbd.

So he wins 110/118. Massive. He was originally predicted to get 74.

Looks like voters didn't approve of that low-energy strategy taken by Kasich and Cruz.

Spoiler

Oh god, he's really going to win the nomination.

 

[hawk2025]

Yes brazilians in general are way more religious than your average american. I also have the stats to back it up: From a 2009 Gallup survey http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country 86,5 % of brazilians think religion is important vs 65 % in the US.

Also just by visiting both countries as a tourist you can immediately see the difference.

I'm from Europe and imo you would be a fool not to realize there are countries in the world, much more religious than USA, which have elected a female president without a sexist backlash.

Nope, nope, nope.

The religious makeup in Brazil is significantly more complicated and is compounded by the mix with African religions. All of those claim to be Catholics, which puts the number above 60%, but it includes the well-known practice of being Catholics in name only in the country.

It has an even smaller impact in actual Congress and elections: For example, while self-claimed Catholics are the majority, it has nearly zero representation in congress; The only religious-political movement that currently has any representation in Congress is protestant.

 

[User 85168]

Taniel ‏@Taniel 9m9 minutes ago
Today:

Trump 131 (110 bound)
Kas 5
Cruz 5 (2 bound)
uncommitted/unclear 31

Only counts PA dels who've been clear.

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[digdug2k]

Before tonight it seemed like a not entirely crazy idea to get a contested convention, after tonight, they're shitting themselves and hoping for a miracle.

Even the "contested convention" was/is the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard. They seemed to think Trump's pledged delegates would just hop on over to Cruz's camp and everyone would just go home fine with that. It was/is beyond dumb.

 

[Miles X]

Even the "contested convention" was/is the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard. They seemed to think Trump's pledged delegates would just hop on over to Cruz's camp and everyone would just go home fine with that. It was/is beyond dumb.

It maybe stood a chance if Trump was 200 delegates behind, but he's gonna be at most 50, probably not even that. There are too many unpledged at the convention with reasons to vote for Trump (Winning Pennsylvania) for him not to get the amount he needs.

But yeah, if that was the case and Trump lost the first ballot, I don't think Cruz would get enough either. Fuck knows who they'd eventually go to, it would be a total shit show.