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Riots outside Trump Rally in Orange County
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Funny how people are defending these rioting goons. These kids were there just for fun, those kids don't care about voting or social change. Look at pictures of the 'protest', there were all punk kids. After last night I'm even more ashamed of my own people, so ignorant.
On a related note, there was a lone dude sitting at a table of the buffet I work at yesterday, lots of Hispanic, Muslims and Vietnamese people eat there. This dude, in his 'Make America Great Again' hat started to harass this Muslim lady that was eating with her two daughters. Our manager asked him to leave her alone, and he wouldn't stop, so he told him to leave. As the manager escorted him, he started yelling slurs at the lady, then turned around punched my manager in the balls. Cops came and my manager didn't press charges. Idiot.
Point is, Trump is giving racists the courage to out themselves in public, and it's only going to get worse.
Damn. I'd guess he just wanted the mess over, not wanting to give it attention and maybe have the national news pick up on the story. Can't say I blame him but fuck that Trump supporting asshat.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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God damn, some really fucking out of touch and scary posts in here from "anarchists." No, it's not okay to attack and injure people for your ideals.
It's unfortunate. On the bright side, there's plenty of American history to learn about.
Crash Station
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Link.
But yeah, I'm actually still for it in some cases, tbh. Depends but i wouldn't entirely rule it out.
No link, anecdotal family experience. Great uncle had a business burned down during the Detroit riots in 67. He didn't have insurance and struggled to get by a few years after that. He ended up homeless and ultimately committed suicide. This was someone that wholeheartedly supported the civil rights movement according to my grandmother.
You want to say more good came out of it than bad, awesome. I just wouldn't tell that to people that were negatively affected by whatever event that was ultimately for the best.
It's not. It's an unfortunate effect of the final option, which is to dismantle and disrupt the city's infrastructure heavily. The main goal at that point is to cause a lot of costly damage that leaves an imprint to those in power that the people refuse to take this anymore.
To "Those in Power?" The city is not Trump. Trump does not live in the city. Trump is visiting the city to give a speech. What does harming the city do to Trump? Trump is not in power. He is a candidate for holding power. The city does not have sway over whether Trump is chosen to hold power. So what does this accomplish? Who does it impress? Is it Trump? This is his platform, that he plans to use to acquire power. He will not likely change it because of violence, protected as he is by the secret service. Is it the government? Under the current system, the government has no recourse to legally stop Trump from attaining power. Then, is it the people? But the people are apparently the ones rioting (or the ones getting pelted with rocks), and they hold no means to stop Trump's ambition save voting against him. So who does this convince?
ChosenPredator
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God damn, some really fucking out of touch and scary posts in here from "anarchists." No, it's not okay to attack and injure people for your ideals.
yup i see alot of that in trump threads, creepy as fuck.
To "Those in Power?" The city is not Trump. Trump does not live in the city. Trump is visiting the city to give a speech. What does harming the city do to Trump? Trump is not in power. He is a candidate for holding power. The city does not have sway over whether Trump is chosen to hold power. So what does this accomplish? Who does it impress? Is it Trump? This is his platform, that he plans to use to acquire power. Is it the government? Under the current system, the government has no recourse to legally stop Trump from attaining power. Then, is it the people? But the people are apparently the ones rioting (or the ones getting pelted with rocks), and they hold no means to stop Trump's ambition save voting against him. So who does this convince?
I'm not talking about Trump or this protest in this context. I'm talking about the general cause for the final option in many people's minds during much more massive riots like those in Baltimore.
However, in the context of this protest, again, I can understand why some will feel justified in committing violence based on how ineffective peaceful protest and how many innocent protesters gotten hurt in the past few months while Trump's rhetoric continues to spread while he suffers no repercussions for it and his advocacy for violence against protesters.
LUFTRAUSER
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What, for you, would constitute an "effective" peaceful protest?I'm not talking about Trump or this protest in this context. I'm talking about the general cause for the final option in many people's minds during much more massive riots like those in Baltimore.
However, in the context of this protest, again, I can understand why some will feel justified in committing violence based on how ineffective peaceful protest and how many innocent protesters gotten hurt in the past few months.
gutter_trash
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It's not about winning or losing the election. He is emboldening and giving shelter to hate and racism. That influence doesn't care whether or not someone gives him 1st prize in the competition.
and they will be proven to be on the wrong side and be on #TeamLoser
After Inauguration on January 2017, those on #TeamLoser will have moved onto other things since their shinning Prince lost.
Those people were always here, they were always on Xbox Live and Youtube comments section and were always here phoning in AM Radio. When Trump loses, those people will just revert back to commenting on Youtube videos
Didn't seem to matter the last two times mass deportation happened. If he thinks any of those white nationalist supporters of trump would give a second thought before tossing his ass back over the border all I can do is laugh. They don't care about him, they don't care he's legal all they see is another Mexican that needs to go back where he came from.Probably because he's a legal Mexican and is in no danger of being deported under Trump?
yup i see alot of that in trump threads, creepy as fuck.
I can understand the sentiment, to a point. They feel they don't have a voice. They feel like the institution is against them, and you know what, they are right. Giving a voice to a man like Trump only empowers the worst kind of people that are already sitting pretty for being born the right color. It's easy to sit up high and cast judgement down on how others view things when you don't have to deal with the kinds of things others have to deal with on a regular basis.
I did say to a point though because there is a time for certain things, and the de facto response should never be violence. It should be a last resort and I really don't think a Trump rally qualifies.
What, for you, would constitute an "effective" peaceful protest?
I cannot say, but Chicago seems to have been a pretty decent one without much violence. Personally, I would do something humorous like have a large group of protestors to form a wall between a building that Trump is going to make a speech in, and him and his protesters.
I cannot say, but Chicago seems to have been a pretty decent one without much violence. Personally, I would do something humorous like have a large group of protestors to form a wall between a building that Trump is going to make a speech in, and him and his protesters.
And I think that is far more effective. I hope protestors are creative and come up with ways that leave a lasting impression on people. Humor is a great way to get people to relate. That image of the guy laying on the ground with a sombrero is not one I will be forgetting soon.
And I think that is far more effective. I hope protestors are creative and come up with ways that leave a lasting impression on people. Humor is a great way to get people to relate. That image of the guy laying on the ground with a sombrero is not one I will be forgetting soon.
That's why as an activist I always suggest doing more humourous protests first and foremost, humor is a universal language humans will understand just as much as violence and I prefer that one as the best because it can get really creative and generally fun for the protesters.
Chezzymann
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Seriously curious, who decides what is a just reason to hold a violent protest? Would it also be justified for trump supporters to punch Bernie/Hillary supporters due to them being afraid of "SJW agenda" taking over the US or something ridiculous?
I can understand the reasoning of needing your voice to be heard and violent protest being the only option, but that seems to be assuming your ideals or what you're fighting for is the correct way society needs to be. If there's no concrete way to determine what the correct way society should be, couldn't anybody just punch or throw rocks at anyone in the name of defending their view of soceity? Wouldn't that basically start to become anarchy instead of democracy?
I can understand the reasoning of needing your voice to be heard and violent protest being the only option, but that seems to be assuming your ideals or what you're fighting for is the correct way society needs to be. If there's no concrete way to determine what the correct way society should be, couldn't anybody just punch or throw rocks at anyone in the name of defending their view of soceity? Wouldn't that basically start to become anarchy instead of democracy?
If you condemn that you are encouraging violence against people of color, full stop.
I don't think so!
Seriously curious, who decides what is a just reason to hold a violent protest? Would it also be justified for trump supporters to punch Bernie/Hillary supporters due to them being afraid of "SJW agenda" taking over the US or something ridiculous?
I can understand the reasoning of needing your voice to be heard and violent protest being the only option, but that seems to be assuming your ideals or what you're fighting for is the correct way society needs to be. If there's no concrete way to determine what the correct way society should be, couldn't anybody just punch or throw rocks at anyone in the name of defending their view of soceity? Wouldn't that basically start to become anarchy instead of democracy?
My general rule of thumb is that those who are treated badly and unequal due to institutionalized oppression have a just reason to protest.
This is getting a bit stupid now. You can't paint one group as a bunch of crazies then go around outcrazying them. I don't think this is that big a deal but I'm worried that we're going to see worse than this from one side or the other before the election is over.
I have a feeling we're going to continue seeing this even after the election is over. I still feel like there's going to be massive riots for a couple of days after it ends, from the left or right depending who wins.
Air Zombie Meat
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This is getting a bit stupid now. You can't paint one group as a bunch of crazies then go around outcrazying them. I don't think this is that big a deal but I'm worried that we're going to see worse than this from one side or the other before the election is over.
I have no problems with violent protests and riots. Not sure why so many people here do.
History has proven riots are part of the course of actions that lead to true change in society.
Violence is okay as long as you believe you're righteous. Oh but what if the people we disagree with think *their* side is is the righteous side? No, that can't be because we have a monopoly on righteousness!
The logic checks out.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/polit...s-republican-convention-california/index.html
Scores of demonstrators descended on the California Republican convention Friday to protest Donald Trump, who was expected to speak at the event later in the day.
The protesters blocked off the road in front of the Hyatt Regency here. Bare-breasted protesters, men and women, some of whom were associated with the progressive group Code Pink, chanted "Stop hate" as they marched.
Scores of demonstrators descended on the California Republican convention Friday to protest Donald Trump, who was expected to speak at the event later in the day.
The protesters blocked off the road in front of the Hyatt Regency here. Bare-breasted protesters, men and women, some of whom were associated with the progressive group Code Pink, chanted "Stop hate" as they marched.
WayneMorse
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Don't even wanna go through this thread to see all of the garbage liberal crap that's been posted.
Let me guess, we should respect Trump's views and supporters?
Let me guess, we should respect Trump's views and supporters?
WayneMorse
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Violence is okay as long as you believe you're righteous. Oh but what if the people we disagree with think *their* side is is the righteous side? No, that can't be because we have a monopoly on righteousness!
The logic checks out.
Are you implying that whether or not racism is right or wrong can be subjective? Are you arguing that because some people see racism as objective truth it can be seen as legitimate?
Hey everyone, riots are totally unnecessary. Peaceful protests are the only way to protest as time has shown us before. If you cause no harm or annoyance and just yell loud enough and long enough then everybody will see your point.
Being destructive will only cause the racists voting for a racist to become more racist and then your point is defeated but being peaceful will cause the racists at a racists rally to see the error of their ways and vote for Hillary?
Basically, just protest in a way that we can all ignore it without a problem.
Yeah, you just gotta make sure to attack some innocent bystanders on the way.
Aaronology
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That's the problem. Plenty of Trump supporters believe they are being treated badly and are being oppressed economically, religiously and otherwise. "The good guys can violently protest!" isn't a good rule of thumb when everyone who wants to violently protest will consider themselves the good guys.My general rule of thumb is that those who are treated badly and unequal due to institutionalized oppression have a just reason to protest.
I have a feeling we're going to continue seeing this even after the election is over. I still feel like there's going to be massive riots for a couple of days after it ends, from the left or right depending who wins.
That's the problem. Plenty of Trump supporters believe they are being treated badly and are being oppressed economically, religiously and otherwise. "The good guys can violently protest!" isn't a good rule of thumb when everyone who wants to violently protest will consider themselves the good guys.
Read again, I said "institutionalized oppression", I'm not talking about stupid ideas like good vs evil. Tell me, what laws are oppressing their rights? What they believe are oppressing their rights is not doing that at all, it's giving more rights to those who still have less rights then those Trump supporters.
My stance still stands, my rule of thumb is those who are, not feel, but actually are treated badly and unequal due to institutionalized oppression have a just reason to protest.
Are you implying that whether or not racism is right or wrong can be subjective? Are you arguing that because some people see racism as objective truth it can be seen as legitimate?
Lmao at these ridiculous leading questions. It's not about whether your cause is objectively righteous or not, but whether you can justify violence so long as you *believe* your cause is righteous. Trump supporters are obviously objectively wrong, but how the fuck are you going to convince them that some sort of double standard isn't being applied (wherein their rioting is objectively wrong but ours is objectively right) if they truly believe that *their* side is right? They are just being emboldened to resort to violence and rioting themselves and in the end it won't mean a damn that there's no legitimacy to their use of violence.
Don't even wanna go through this thread to see all of the garbage liberal crap that's been posted.
Let me guess, we should respect Trump's views and supporters?
Orrrr you could actually read through the thread before trying to pick fights and accuse people of saying things they're not actually saying.
There's also plenty of data to show that facts don't actually change peoples' political beliefs and in fact usually make them more dead set on what they believe. This isn't about whose "correct". That's not how politics works.
Why is this so hard for people to understand
The Constitution doesn't preclude unjust protests. No group is going to pack up and go home because their cause has been definitively proven to be unjust and unfounded.Read again, I said "institutionalized oppression", I'm not talking about stupid ideas like good vs evil. Tell me, what laws are oppressing their rights? What they believe are oppressing their rights is not doing that at all, it's giving more rights to those who still have less rights then those Trump supporters.
My stance still stands, my rule of thumb is those who are, not feel, but actually are treated badly and unequal due to institutionalized oppression have a just reason to protest.
That's the problem. Plenty of Trump supporters believe they are being treated badly and are being oppressed economically, religiously and otherwise. "The good guys can violently protest!" isn't a good rule of thumb when everyone who wants to violently protest will consider themselves the good guys.
Except there is plenty of data and examples to show they aren't while minorities most certainly are.
Looks like it's started up again. They are breaking barricades. Honestly though it only looks like maybe 200 people. It's amazing how deceptive some TV shot angles can be. I mean these things can be shot in a way to make the protests look huge but then the helicopter shot only shows a couple of hundred.
LUFTRAUSER
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On the subject of racism which people like to bring up in regards to Trump, what laws are oppressing ethnic minorities in this country? Legal equality has been guaranteed by our laws for decades now. The "institutionalized oppression" that happens isn't a result of law any more, it's due to unchecked prejudice by individual people in positions of power or authority. It is social. The Trump supports feel the exact same way. They have the right to attend these rallies after all but it is pretty clear judging from some of the responses in this thread that a lot of you wish they did not.Read again, I said "institutionalized oppression". Tell me, what laws are oppressing their rights? What they believe are oppressing their rights is not doing that at all, it's giving more rights rights to those who still have less rights then those Trump supporters.
There's also plenty of data to show that facts don't actually change peoples' political beliefs and in fact usually make them more dead set on what they believe. This isn't about whose "correct". That's not how politics works. It's emotional! If you spread the idea that it is OK to be violent your ideological opponents will start doing the same thing. Why wouldn't they?Except there is plenty of data and examples to show they aren't while minorities most certainly are.
Jmanunknown
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This is dumb I bet most of the people who went to protest trump in Orange County were not their to partake in violence they just wanted to get out the message that Donald Trump is not the type of person that should be having this type of platform to spread his message of hate and misogyny but emotions ran hot and some people started acting violently. I do not think its fair to condemn the protests and all of the protestors because some of the people who protested let their emotions get a hold of them.
Its been like this since the US was founded though the majority is always gonna put the blame on the many instead of the few bad apples and continue to ignore the many problems the country has while pointing the finger at the people who are constantly being oppressed while constantly finding ways to continue the oppression towards those people. I mean seriously its 2016 and the supreme court just gutted parts of the voting rights act last year.
Its been like this since the US was founded though the majority is always gonna put the blame on the many instead of the few bad apples and continue to ignore the many problems the country has while pointing the finger at the people who are constantly being oppressed while constantly finding ways to continue the oppression towards those people. I mean seriously its 2016 and the supreme court just gutted parts of the voting rights act last year.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Looks like it's started up again. They are breaking barricades. Honestly though it only looks like maybe 200 people. It's amazing how deceptive some TV shot angles can be. I mean these things can be shot in a way to make the protests look huge but then the helicopter shot only shows a couple of hundred.
Which makes you wonder how the police can't keep 200 people in control.
MagnaderAlpha
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I have a feeling we're going to continue seeing this even after the election is over. I still feel like there's going to be massive riots for a couple of days after it ends, from the left or right depending who wins.
I believe this too. Who ever wins, there's going to be a big group of people pissed. Though, Trump's riled people up to the point that this is inevitable. Say Hilary/Dems win the White House. Trump already said that there will be riots if he doesn't get the Rep nomination, imagine all those people he preached to about "what's wrong with America" realizing that HE lost and we are "still in the state we'll always be"(and in their own mind, there is no chance to "make America great again"). Mass of hate crimes are a-comin'(especially in South).
This is dumb I bet most of the people who went to protest trump in Orange County were not their to partake in violence they just wanted to get out the message that Donald Trump is not the type of person that should be having this type of platform to spread his message of hate and misogyny but emotions ran hot and some people started acting violently. I do not think its fair to condemn the protests and all of the protestors because some of the people who protested let their emotions get a hold of them.
Its been like this since the US was founded though the majority is always gonna put the blame on the many instead of the few bad apples and continue to ignore the many problems the country has while pointing the finger at the people who are constantly being oppressed while constantly finding ways to continue the oppression towards those people. I mean seriously its 2016 and the supreme court just gutted parts of the voting rights act last year.
It's true that people use moments like this to cause trouble and get away with it or even try and incite mob violence. I don't think that should be dismissed nor do I think the acts should be dismissed for happening either.
Which makes you wonder how the police can't keep 200 people in control.
What do you want the police to do? Crack skulls?
Do you not realize that to a lot of people, you are the rich one? That the cops protect you too? If there was some kind of societal breakdown, these wealthy people would be protected in their compounds or otherwise have the means to escape. Look at Syria. They hated their elites, sought to overthrow Assad, and now look? It's a fucking mess. Sure, the wealthier Syrians can just flee to Europe, but everyone else? They're fucked.
And that's why I indicated its mob rule and typically heavily motivated by guess what, people who have power already. Just not in the current sense or those politically motivated. Where the axe falls depends heavily on saying who should it fall on. No different than people violently targeting immigrants in other countries. I do think it should be avoid. Take a look at LA Riots. A lot of tension between Blacks and Asians were caused by it, where the damage is still being repaired today.
Syria is also a mix bag since it was such a political game for major powers. Between the US, Russia, SA, etc.With many other factors dictating it outside of Syrian hands.
But I can't completely condone it either is all I'm saying. You can not sit there and tell people it is okay to be shot by cops, expect the court system to never punish those guilty, etc. Lose their money through no means of their own and be complacent about it. etc.
Using a different example, many of the unions in this country did come about through protest. Both violent and non-violent. At times, they legitimately did have to fight for it. That didn't result in a country collapse. But it did result in a change of government mindset and companies realizing that their exist does depend on the worker.
LUFTRAUSER
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You have no clue what you are talking about.I believe this too. Who ever wins, there's going to be a big group of people pissed. Though, Trump's riled people up to the point that this is inevitable. Say Hilary/Dems win the White House. Trump already said that there will be riots if he doesn't get the Rep nomination, imagine all those people he preached to about "what's wrong with America" realizing that HE lost and we are "still in the state we'll always be"(and in their own mind, there is no chance to "make America great again"). Mass of hate crimes are a-comin'(especially in South).
Aaronology
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That's the wrong question. What laws do the fringe right and tea party ilk believe are oppressing their rights, you should ask. And the answer to that would be many. Attacks on Christianity, "reverse racism" keeping middle class and poor white people down, attacks on the Second, state sanctioned murder of babies, etc etc. "Violent protests are ok if you're the good guy" is a very meaningless distinction when everyone sees themselves in the right. You're putting yourself in the same camp of people who blow up abortion clinics when you start justifying it.Read again, I said "institutionalized oppression", I'm not talking about stupid ideas like good vs evil. Tell me, what laws are oppressing their rights? What they believe are oppressing their rights is not doing that at all, it's giving more rights to those who still have less rights then those Trump supporters.
kame-sennin
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I'm still laughing at the idea that "there is no such thing as violence against property".
This is some 1910s socialist nonsense up in here.
Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
You sound like a crazy person. Inanimate objects can't feel pain or fear. If I snap a pencil in half, it's not an act of violence.
On the same token, people cherry pick a few instances of Trump supporters throwing punches and condemn that entire movement as well. Nothing excuses it in either case. People are right to be outraged at a Trump supporter sucker punching a protester who is being led out of the building, and people are right to be outraged at anti-Trump protesters bloodying up Trump supporters.
Ah, I see.
I have to ask why people are actively ignoring how much violence occurred back in the Civil Right Movement and Sexual Revolution in the 20th century by protesters. Stonewall Riots, Watts Riots, etc., etc. Some of these were important to the movements they were related to. I can't speak for the civil rights movement, but Stonewall is what build the modern LGBT community and movement. Violence is a legitimate tool for protesters to use, it's just how you use it. I like to believe it should be used if your voice is being oppressed and unheard, that not even peaceful ways can help. Dr. King said it best:
If gay people had just voted, they would have had equal rights by 1976.
No, it's not until the white nationalists do something. A "get them before they get me" stance is not a good one to have in most scenarios.
They're holding rallies. If you don't know why KKK/white nationalist rallies are extremely dangerous, you need to read up on American history.
Voting doesn't always work and the system is stacked in the favor of non-minorities.Boy, I sure would love it if people on this forum would stop using MLK and MX like damn pokemon or YuGiOh trap cards. Your response doesn't even make any sense, on top of that.
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You know what also won't make it go away? Innocent people and random passersby having rocks thrown at them.
Aaronology
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Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
You sound like a crazy person. Inanimate objects can't feel pain or fear. If I snap a pencil in half, it's not an act of violence.
"Threatened or actual". Throwing rocks at vehicles, destroying property, damaging items belonging to other people is definitely threatening, wouldn't you say?
You are a liar and excuse violence as long as it comes from your political viewpoint.Nobody was injured
Violence is defined by the World Health Organization as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
You sound like a crazy person. Inanimate objects can't feel pain or fear. If I snap a pencil in half, it's not an act of violence.
Ah, I see.
If gay people had just voted, they would have had equal rights by 1976.
They're holding rallies. If you don't know why KKK/white nationalist rallies are extremely dangerous, you need to read up on American history.
Well, hopefully the protesters destroy your car or place of business. Inanimate objects can't feel pain.
LUFTRAUSER
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You do realize that Trump supporters are a minority not only in this country but in the Republican electorate as well, right? The only reason Trump even got as far as he has is because the GOP is weak and fractured and his supporters simply have the plurality of votes. Most Republicans still hate Trump and many are planning to either forego voting entirely or even vote for Clinton. A lot of them are already mad because they know how much damage Trump simply winning the nomination is going to do to their party.Voting doesn't always work and the system is stacked in the favor of non-minorities.
The only reason Republicans even have so much power still at all is because they control the majority of the state legislatures. You know, the ones that are passing all these crazy conservative laws that are making peoples' lives worse. And the reason they have control of these state governments is because when it comes to local elections, Democrats just. Don't. Fucking. Vote. We do fine in Presidential contests but a lot of liberals just don't give a shit otherwise because they are boring and not as exciting as the national elections. The Republicans do care however, and that gives them power. Voting works extremely well, it's just that a lot of liberals and progressives can't be assed to do it. So don't tell me voting doesn't work.
Why does the left-wing assume it has the authority to decide who gets to have a platform or not? I don't like letting vague shapeless groups like Antifa decide (or at least, wanting to decide, because they seem to fail more than succeed) who I get to hear and who not.
Lat I checked, Trump most definitely has not been silenced in any shape or form. If anything the media has given him far more of a voice than any other candidate even during times of protests.
That's the wrong question. What laws do the fringe right and tea party ilk believe are oppressing their rights, you should ask. And the answer to that would be many. Attacks on Christianity, "reverse racism" keeping middle class and poor white people down, attacks on the Second, state sanctioned murder of babies, etc etc. "Violent protests are ok if you're the good guy" is a very meaningless distinction when everyone sees themselves in the right. You're putting yourself in the same camp of people who blow up abortion clinics when you start justifying it.
My view, again, is not based on how people feel, but rather logic and facts as dictated by real world numbers and events. While I understand politics are fueled by emotions, I've become numb to a lot of it that it's hard to fuel me based on it regardless of left or right politics. As I stated, my stance still stands, my rule of thumb is those who are, not feel, but actually are treated badly and unequal based on real world statistics and events due to institutionalized oppression have a just reason to protest, in my view.
The Constitution doesn't preclude unjust protests. No group is going to pack up and go home because their cause has been definitively proven to be unjust and unfounded.
You assume I'm not aware of this, but I am completely. I never meant to say in a legal way they are just, anyone has the right to protest anything they wish.
Actually, I want to make this perfectly clear before continuing on. I don't support the violent acts done in this event, but I can understand why people felt the need to do it based on how peaceful protesters were treated in past Trump rallies. That said, there were still plenty of options, most of which are peaceful, before ever assuming that throwing debris at random people's cars was a good idea.
paragonpro
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In what world is this acceptable? This behavior is almost as disgusting as the hatred and violence that trump supporters spew. This will only strengthen him and his supporters and not damage them in the way these morons hope it will. Also the people excusing this violence because its coming from the liberals as an act against conservatism are huge hypocrits. Again that idea of its okay as long as it supports my political views is incredibly ass backwards and ignorant.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Lat I checked, Trump most definitely has not been silenced in any shape or form. If anything the media has given him far more of a voice than any other candidate even during times of protests.
Trying to storm private property in an attempt to stop him from speaking doesn't really seem like a great idea to me. If this was Obama speaking at some hotel for a dem fundraiser and a bunch of tea party activists or other right group tried to do pull off this stunt I'd be equally dismayed.
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