Riots outside Trump Rally in Orange County

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sphagnum said:
The Constitution only matters if it's protected by force. It is just a piece of paper otherwise.
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Evidence: Japanese concentration camps in the United States.

We pretty much just rolled up the bill of rights and smoked it right in front of our asian citizens while robbing them of their homes, work, and life.
 
dapperbandit said:
No matter what your colour or creed is, you do not have carte blanche to do whatever you like and have it swept under the rug because "I'm passionate/angry about X".

If you're the kind of person that would a punch a man for wearing a Make America Great Again hat or on the other side for holding a Black Lives Matter sign, you're a piece of shit and that's that.
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I'm not terribly political, but this. People are ALLOWED to disagree. That's the freedom of speech. Dont fucking destroy shit because you're pissed, start up a peaceful "fuck trump" rally next door. All resorting to violence does is make your cause seem less legitimate to outside parties.


If trump supporters did HALF this shit at Bernie or Hilary rallies there would be goddamn riots.
 
i think there's a difference between saying "this violence is acceptable" and "this violence is understandable"

minorities have been getting repeatedly fucked over for the entire length of this country's existence, now we have a major party frontrunner reopening the "debate" about whether lots of them should have equal rights. that's a pretty different perspective to come from than a middle-class white guy at a trump rally punching a black protester in the face.

obviously riots shouldn't be happening but we also need to be looking at them as a sign that something is deeply wrong with us right now.
 
sphagnum said:
"If only someone had stopped the Nazis before they came to power!"
"Ok" *attacks fascists*
"What are you doing, don't you know they have rights?! What a barbarian!"



I don't have much regard for the rights of the centurions of the capitalist state.
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Sir Thomas More is crawling in his grave right now. Do people not realize how destructive and anti-civilized society such a view point can be? I don't care who you are, no one should resort to violence against anyone for promoting viewpoints they disagree with. Why? It makes a horrible golden rule, and has absolutely no predictive or governing value in a civilized society. The public conscience can change on the tides of human stupidity. What may be acceptable and just now, could quickly turn into a tidal wave of evil in the future. Mr. More said it best; I shall not lax protections of the devil, lest I become insecure in my own protections should the devil rise to power. I do not care why a protester commits trespass to chattels, vandalism, or battery, they commit trespass, vandalism, or battery. Jail.
 
aeolist said:
i think there's a difference between saying "this violence is acceptable" and "this violence is understandable"

minorities have been getting repeatedly fucked over for the entire length of this country's existence, now we have a major party frontrunner reopening the "debate" about whether lots of them should have equal rights. that's a pretty different perspective to come from than a middle-class white guy at a trump rally punching a black protester in the face.

obviously riots shouldn't be happening but we also need to be looking at them as a sign that something is deeply wrong with us right now.
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Donald Trump is the most reviled man in Presidential politics and will be the most unpopular nominee since polling was started. The only reason he has gotten to this point is because he has managed to get a small percentage of total voters to come out and vote for him during the primary process, much to the chagrin of his own party.

If anything, the more he is allowed to talk, the more the vast majority of people hate him more and realize he represents bigotry.
 
Bam Bam Baklava said:
Donald Trump is the most reviled man in Presidential politics and will be the most unpopular nominee since polling was started. The only reason he has gotten to this point is because he has managed to get a small percentage of total voters to come out and vote for him during the primary process, much to the chagrin of his own party.

If anything, the more he is allowed to talk, the more the vast majority of people hate him more and realize he represents bigotry.
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i'm aware of this and i don't think he has much of a shot, but the main reason he won't make it is because he's actively burned bridges with everyone who isn't a straight white man. people in that particular group may still dislike him but it's largely not because of his racial or gender politics.

i agree people in this thread who have pointed out that even the democratic party hasn't historically cared much for real minority problems. trump is only part of this, america in general has taken fat dumps on blacks, mexicans, muslims, women, and everyone else that trump has directed hatred at for our entire existence. he's just a manifestation of our sins.
 
ipukespiders said:
Whining? Did my posts come across that way? If so, I apologize.
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It didn't come off as whining. I'm equally surprised that there are individuals on the board who would be willing to oppress political freedom (with violence nonetheless) on the shaky grounds that it is something they personally don't agree with.
 
Enzom21 said:
If you're not part of that white populist that sphagnum was referring to, why are you worried that your politics might not be welcome?
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My sister lives in the United States and she is voting for Trump. I would, but all we got here was Trudeau and Harper.
 
thanks to whomever sent me a message on psn telling me to "go burn a flag in the middle east and see how I like it" and trying to spoil uncharted 4. glad you have nothing better to do. good thing I don't really care about spoilers.

i would suppress your speech and burn your flag all day every day. <3
 
Pepboy said:
Protests which have a history of becoming violent, as the anti-Trump protests are quickly becoming, do indeed infringe on public safety, public order, and the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. As a result of these violent protests, rally goers would be justified in fearing for their safety.
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Once again, I ask, what's the threshold for a protest becoming overall violent? One person? Twenty? If 5,000 people protest peacefully and 20 get far too emotional, does the entire protest become violent?

If so, Trump rallies themselves have a long history of being violent and should be subject to the same views. Or are you not worried about this trend?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/20/donald-trump-rally-violence-vo.alex-satterly
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/trump-violence

So, even though you have a privileged position of authority here on NeoGAF, could you please stop telling other posters not to discuss the societal implications of protesting based on your personal viewpoints and biases? It is moderation like this that runs the risk of NeoGAF becoming even more of an echo chamber.
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Ah, you did not read the exchange. The drop that was aimed at this:
First of all, let's just take all these posts conflating this protest with the civil rights movement and throw them in the trash where they belong.
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If you any further problems, I'd love to hear them, considering the thread is still talking about those implications. You're attempting to paint a situation which doesn't exist.

Certainly they are. Personally I believe they should protest further from the site of the actual events in order to protect the safety of individuals who wish to engage in their constitutional right to assemble peacefully (going to the Trump rallies).
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Protesters are allowed peacefully assemble within spitting distance of the rally. Technically, they can do so inside, but being a private event, Trump's security is allowed to remove them.

Bam Bam Baklava said:
If anything, the more he is allowed to talk, the more the vast majority of people hate him more and realize he represents bigotry.
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Donald Trump is allowed to talk a ton. Moreso than any other candidate in either primary.

norm9 said:
Violence doesn't seem to be the way to go to show disapproval at his message.
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Nope. Not the best way. Again, as others have pointed out there's a difference between saying "violence is a good way to protest" and "I understand why they are angry." Here's everyone's favorite on rioting. (Which is a level beyond this.)

Let me say as I&#8217;ve always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I&#8217;m still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

But at the same time, it is as necessary for me to be as vigorous in condemning the conditions which cause persons to feel that they must engage in riotous activities as it is for me to condemn riots. I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation&#8217;s summers of riots are caused by our nation&#8217;s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.
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The bolded is what many other posters are talking about.
 
sphagnum said:
The Constitution only matters if it's protected by force. It is just a piece of paper otherwise.

Demographics are trending in such a way that a white fascist government will likely be impossible in the future, but we have to make sure that we don't get to that point now. Considering how much other stuff presidents get away with, I don't know why we should expect that Trump wouldn't just trample on the Constitution anyway. Thankfully he's said and done so much stuff that he will almost certainly lose this election, but he's rallying up a white populist base that isn't going to go away and may only get more rabid, and they need to know that their politics are not welcome here.
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A "white fascist government" isn't possible now, let alone the future. Fascism is only a threat to weak democracies, which the United States most assuredly is not. We have a stronger culture of democracy than perhaps any other country, even as our institutions begin to waver. Besides, American white people just aren't miserable and/or uneducated enough, in general, to support some blowhard populist like Trump in the general election. Most garden variety Republicans absolutely hate him, in fact.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over Trump; his main base of support seems to be the reddit types who talk shit online but don't actually do or amount to anything. These are not people who matter in the overall course of humanity.
 
sphagnum said:
The Constitution only matters if it's protected by force. It is just a piece of paper otherwise.

Demographics are trending in such a way that a white fascist government will likely be impossible in the future, but we have to make sure that we don't get to that point now. Considering how much other stuff presidents get away with, I don't know why we should expect that Trump wouldn't just trample on the Constitution anyway. Thankfully he's said and done so much stuff that he will almost certainly lose this election, but he's rallying up a white populist base that isn't going to go away and may only get more rabid, and they need to know that their politics are not welcome here.
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I actually agree with most of what you said here.

I just don't know how it relates to violence against Trump supporters. You say they need to know their politics aren't welcomed by you... I think they already know that, yeah? They're going to vote Trump anyway, no matter how many rocks anyone throws. The only way to diminish Trump's popularity with violence is to go on a shooting spree or something. I hope that's not what you want.
 
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