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[Neoxon]

Smash will likely become a service game so I can see plenty of characters joining the game. Even characters Sakurai wanted before but never had the time to make real. I definitely see Ice Climbers returning. There was also a time he was interested in Plusle and Minun too, so that would be cool.

Then they should have prepared the game to serve such a role (I.E. establish something similar to Fight Money, a set schedule of character releases, etc.). Take Street Fighter V for example, Capcom has plans to go as long as 5 year for supporting the game, that's a game that will be a service. It had a rocky start, sure, but Capcom has a clear-cut plan. Smash 4, as far as we know, doesn't have a similar plan behind it for long-term support. And even if it did, we're already 2 years into the game's life. It's only a matter of time until interest in the game dies down, regardless of how much life Nintendo tries to pump into the game. As great of a game as it is, Smash 4 can't last forever. And Smash 4 (again, as great as it is) is nowhere near perfect.

As for Brawl still selling, don't forget the anomaly known as the Wii, in addition to sales to mainly play Project M (granted, it's nowhere near the majority, but it's something).

 

[IntelliHeath]

That's true. I'm in the same boat as you are. Believe me I spent nearly a year of my life when you combine Pre-Release, Launch, and the Ballot era obsessing over this game and setting my expectations too high and becoming too emotionally invested in it. More content in the NX version, if one exists (which I think is far more likely it will), is always a nice thought and something I obviously want, but I have to try to not "expect" that.

I totally understand your stance.

Smash will likely become a service game so I can see plenty of characters joining the game. Even characters Sakurai wanted before but never had the time to make real. I definitely see Ice Climbers returning. There was also a time he was interested in Plusle and Minun too, so that would be cool.

Yep, I remember Sakurai said that he wanted to get Geno in but he wasn't able to get Geno in the past. Now they made a deals with Square-Enix for Cloud so there is a chance for Geno to get in. However, the chance is unlikely tho.

Ganondorf will forever be an aspiring F-Zero Racer. Especially if we are all correct in thinking there will be an NX version of Smash which is basically an upgraded version of Smash 4 Wii U/3DS. I think it's getting too hopeful thinking there might be new characters, and downright silly they'd overhaul any unless it was needed for balance.

Well, I don't mind to see them doing something new with Dark Pit and Lucina if they have time.

I'd much rather be discussing the possibility of Pokken DLC. No matter what the outcome is, I'll probably be happy.

The chance of getting Pokken DLC is pretty slim anyway. If I remember correctly, they pretty much disconfirmed DLC characters, right?

 

[Menitta]

The chance of getting Pokken DLC is pretty slim anyway. If I remember correctly, they pretty much disconfirmed DLC characters, right?

They didn't say "No DLC ever" they said "Nothing planned." Also I was just referring to discussing Pokken characters. That's always going to be more fun than discussing the Smash roster.

 

[IntelliHeath]

They didn't say "No DLC ever" they said "Nothing planned." Also I was just referring to discussing Pokken characters. That's always going to be more fun than discussing the Smash roster.

Just humor me, If we are going to get DLC characters for Pokken in few months. We bought dlc characters and all that. Then suddenly we got announcement that we are going to get Pokken NX. Are you going to be upset about it and complains how scummy it is? Or are you going to be completely biased about it?

Also, what Pokken Roster discussion? I remember most of time when I followed Pokken threads, it always manage to hit like 5-10 pages. Only reason why I asked because I'm interested to see people's opinions about future characters for Pokken DLC or sequel.

 

[Neoxon]

There's also the matter of the representations of certain characters will eventually become more & more outdated. Hell, in some instances, some designs are already becoming outdated. Take the Star Fox characters for example, they have brand new Smash-ready redesigns in Star Fox Zero that may not be implemented for another 5+ years, which would be a damn shame (since it has my favorite renditions of Fox & Falco, both of whom actually have Reflectors attached to their belts as a nod to them being in Smash). Same for Zelda U if it has Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf. This applies to Ryu as well thanks to Street Fighter V, although it's a slight change, specifically with how dirty his gi is as well as his gloves being padded differently (the latter change being shown in Ryu's Smash 4 art).

 

[Menitta]

Just humor me, If we are going to get DLC characters for Pokken in few months. We bought dlc characters and all that. Then suddenly we got announcement that we are going to get Pokken NX. Are you going to be upset about it and complains how scummy it is? Or are you going to be completely biased about it?

Well, considering I haven't spent as much money on it as Smash, I'd be less upset, but upset about it nonetheless.

That being said, I'd still get the port for multiple reasons. It would be at a higher resolution and local wouldn't be at 30 FPS. There's much more clear room for improvement of Pokken's performance whereas Smash Bros runs just fine as it is. That in it of itself is enough incentive for me to justify a purchase. However, if it didn't have any of that, then no, I wouldn't get it.

Also, what Pokken Roster discussion? I remember most of time when I followed Pokken threads, it always manage to hit like 5-10 pages. Only reason why I asked because I'm interested to see people's opinions about future characters for Pokken DLC or sequel.

Before the game was out and we knew the whole roster, I had discussions about possible Pokemon to be in Pokken. Like I'd want Electivire more than anything. Or maybe even Rhyperior or Darkrai. (Gen 4 is my favorite. Can ya tell?)

Also, I wasn't on Gaf then.

 

[dangeraaron10]

There's also the matter of the representations of certain characters will eventually become more & more outdated. Hell, in some instances, some designs are already becoming outdated. Take the Star Fox characters for example, they have brand new Smash-ready redesigns in Star Fox Zero that may not be implemented for another 5+ years, which would be a damn shame (since it has my favorite renditions of Fox & Falco, both of whom actually have Reflectors attached to their belts as a nod to them being in Smash). Same for Zelda U if it has Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf. This applies to Ryu as well thanks to Street Fighter V, although it's a slight change, specifically with how dirty his gi is as well as his gloves being padded differently (the latter change being shown in Ryu's Smash 4 art).

Pac-man and Megaman are using older designs and not their newest ones. It's not as if that precedent hasn't already been set and wouldn't look too terribly out of place. Heck, the Zelda characters are still using their Twilight Princess looks despite having newer games with new looks. I guess it could be argued that Smash characters tend to have their own "Smash" look. *shrug*

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

There's also the matter of the representations of certain characters will eventually become more & more outdated. Hell, in some instances, some designs are already becoming outdated. Take the Star Fox characters for example, they have brand new Smash-ready redesigns in Star Fox Zero that may not be implemented for another 5+ years, which would be a damn shame (since it has my favorite renditions of Fox & Falco, both of whom actually have Reflectors attached to their belts as a nod to them being in Smash). Same for Zelda U if it has Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf. This applies to Ryu as well thanks to Street Fighter V, although it's a slight change, specifically with how dirty his gi is as well as his gloves being padded differently (the latter change being shown in Ryu's Smash 4 art).

DLC skins. Problem solved.

 

[dangeraaron10]

DLC skins. Problem solved.

No we are only allowed to have Mii Fighter costumes.

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Please be excited.

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But seriously, that sounds like easy money and should have been done for Smash Wii U/3DS as it sounds more appealing to have more costumes or even alternate characters than more Mii Fighter junk.

 

[Neoxon]

Pac-man and Megaman are using older designs and not their newest ones. It's not as if that precedent hasn't already been set and wouldn't look too terribly out of place. Heck, the Zelda characters are still using their Twilight Princess looks despite having newer games with new looks. I guess it could be argued that Smash characters tend to have their own "Smash" look. *shrug*

Pac-Man & Mega Man are meant to be retro (in the case of Mega Man, he's a modern take on Classic Mega Man). And in the case of the Twilight Princess designs, that's likely because of the fact that Skyward Sword lacked Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf (the former was too innocent in SS, while Ganondorf was non-existent in SS).

 

[Sami+]

I think it's quite scummy considering that with the base game and all of the character+stage Wii U DLC (not including the 3DS bundles, Mii costumes, or the Gamecube adapter) it ends up costing over $100. Then there's the NX exclusive character that the people who already spent so much on the Wii U version can't buy unless they spend the price of a new console and $60 MORE on the port. Console exclusive characters in fighting games are the fucking worst.

It wouldn't be console exclusive characters though? It'd be new characters for a successor game. When Smash for NX is out, Smash for Wii U will be an old and outdated game in the meta, just as Brawl was.

 

[Neoxon]

It wouldn't be console exclusive characters though? It'd be new characters for a successor game. When Smash for NX is out, Smash for Wii U will be an old and outdated game in the meta, just as Brawl was.

But the base metagame would be nearly identical to Smash 4 due to the mechanics being the exact same. So yeah, it'd basically be a version of Smash 4 with extras.

 

[dangeraaron10]

Pac-Man & Mega Man are meant to be retro (in the case of Mega Man, he's a modern take on Classic Mega Man). And in the case of the Twilight Princess designs, that's likely because of the fact that Skyward Sword lacked Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf (the former was too innocent in SS, while Ganondorf was non-existent in SS).

True. Not sure how to best handle this one. Maybe DLC skins would be a work around for this. We might be stuck with the old designs though. I'm assuming this argument of yours is against the idea of Smash Wii U foundation as a platform for a "service" of constant updates. There doesn't seem to be any indication that Smash will be that going forward especially since Smash 4's building DLC was becoming a concern to Sakurai in racking up cost to the player. I do think that NX's Smash will simply be an updated Smash 4.

Let's look at it this way: every home console since N64 had a Smash. And a handheld in this generation. There will be an expectation of NX having its own Smash. Now, just porting Smash 4 is all well and good as it was built to do this, that way you don't have to just up and redo 50+ characters for the sake of a new game. But if you just port Smash for Wii U to NX and call it "NX's Smash" that might make people feel underwhelmed about Smash and the NX. Nintendo MUST push this new console. Smash is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, hot app for their systems. This strengthens the case that this whole time since Smash 4's end of DLC, to the launch of the NX (which is nearly a year off), and that cryptic "Smash 6" job application

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(and Sakurai's treatment of Smash 3DS as Smash 4 and Smash Wii U as Smash 5, it all adds up

means that they had all this time to add new exclusive content to this Smash NX.

I just think it would be a smart move to give incentive to double dip if it's an updated game people already have. That means: characters, stages, and possibly even modes added. I don't think a straight Smash Wii U port is going to cut it, especially if this has to act as NX's Smash title.

 

[Neoxon]

True. Not sure how to best handle this one. Maybe DLC skins would be a work around for this. We might be stuck with the old designs though. I'm assuming this argument of yours is against the idea of Smash Wii U foundation as a platform for a "service" of constant updates. There doesn't seem to be any indication that Smash will be that going forward especially since Smash 4's building DLC was becoming a concern to Sakurai in racking up cost to the player. I do think that NX's Smash will simply be an updated Smash 4.

Let's look at it this way: every home console since N64 had a Smash. And a handheld in this generation. There will be an expectation of NX having its own Smash. Now, just porting Smash 4 is all well and good as it was built to do this, that way you don't have to just up and redo 50+ characters for the sake of a new game. But if you just port Smash for Wii U to NX and call it "NX's Smash" that might make people feel underwhelmed about Smash and the NX. Nintendo MUST push this new console. Smash is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, hot app for their systems. This strengthens the case that this whole time since Smash 4's end of DLC, to the launch of the NX (which is nearly a year off), and that cryptic "Smash 6" job application

Spoiler

(and Sakurai's treatment of Smash 3DS as Smash 4 and Smash Wii U as Smash 5, it all adds up

means that they had all this time to add new exclusive content to this Smash NX.

I just think it would be a smart move to give incentive to double dip if it's an updated game people already have. That means: characters, stages, and possibly even modes added. I don't think a straight Smash Wii U port is going to cut it, especially if this has to act as NX's Smash title.

Given the timing, it would make more sense for the "Smash 6" listing to be for Smash 4 DLC. And even then, the base game would still be considered by everyone to be just a souped up version of Smash 4.

 

[dangeraaron10]

Given the timing, it would make more sense for the "Smash 6" listing to be for Smash 4 DLC. And even then, the base game would still be considered by everyone to be just a souped up version of Smash 4.

The only reason I bring up the Smash 6 thing is, even though nobody else ever considers the games as Smash 4, 5, and 6 (3DS, Wii U, NX), Sakurai does, supposedly. And we don't really know how many more people he works with also considers the games as Smash 4 and 5. That depends on who actually posted that bid. Unless, of course, that job bid was being inherently cryptic but that seems like a stretch. The general community still considers Smash 4 to be a single game on different systems, yes.

 

[Nanashrew]

Then they should have prepared the game to serve such a role (I.E. establish something similar to Fight Money, a set schedule of character releases, etc.). Take Street Fighter V for example, Capcom has plans to go as long as 5 year for supporting the game, that's a game that will be a service. It had a rocky start, sure, but Capcom has a clear-cut plan. Smash 4, as far as we know, doesn't have a similar plan behind it for long-term support. And even if it did, we're already 2 years into the game's life. It's only a matter of time until interest in the game dies down, regardless of how much life Nintendo tries to pump into the game. As great of a game as it is, Smash 4 can't last forever. And Smash 4 (again, as great as it is) is nowhere near perfect.

As for Brawl still selling, don't forget the anomaly known as the Wii, in addition to sales to mainly play Project M (granted, it's nowhere near the majority, but it's something).

Smash community really needs to get on bidou for the next meta imo. But they insist on GC controllers only.

There's also the matter of the representations of certain characters will eventually become more & more outdated. Hell, in some instances, some designs are already becoming outdated. Take the Star Fox characters for example, they have brand new Smash-ready redesigns in Star Fox Zero that may not be implemented for another 5+ years, which would be a damn shame (since it has my favorite renditions of Fox & Falco, both of whom actually have Reflectors attached to their belts as a nod to them being in Smash). Same for Zelda U if it has Smash-ready designs for Zelda & Ganondorf. This applies to Ryu as well thanks to Street Fighter V, although it's a slight change, specifically with how dirty his gi is as well as his gloves being padded differently (the latter change being shown in Ryu's Smash 4 art).

Ryu is Ryu and his design doesn't even update that much. Ryu in V still looks like Ryu from 3rd Strike so it doesn't even really matter. Wear and tear on the gloves and belt, and some dirty clothes is the only major difference. Could even be seen as more of an amalgamation but super subtle.

SFIII: 3rd Strike

SFV

Smash 4

I would love an update to Fox and Falco, though. Give him the new look and proportion, and I guess continue his amalgamation design?

Also I doubt they'll update Link's look for the next Smash. He'll likely continue to use TP Link to represent one type and Wind Waker Link to represent another. At best, you'll get a Zelda U/NX alt color/costume like we got of SS.


EDIT: I'd also be completely okay if Ken shows up in smash one day too. Lord knows we need an actual good looking Ken.

 

[Triforce141]

Also I doubt they'll update Link's look for the next Smash. He'll likely continue to use TP Link to represent one type and Wind Waker Link to represent another. At best, you'll get a Zelda U/NX alt color/costume like we got of SS.

I'd love it if we got multiple forms of the Links/Zeldas/Ganondorfs as alts playable in Smash, each with their own respective voices.

Too bad that won't happen.

 

[L Thammy]

Actually, Ryu looks quite a bit different in the other Street Fighter games. In 1 he had red hair and red shoes, in 2 he looked like he stepped out of Fist of the North Star and had wavy brown hair. Alpha's Ryu has the floppy brown hair, a rounder face, and a white hachimaki. IV's has 3's hairstyle, but in brown hair.

Smash's Ryu is very clearly the 3/5 design, not the other ones.

 

[Nanashrew]

Actually, Ryu looks quite a bit different in the other Street Fighter games. In 1 he had red hair and red shoes, in 2 he looked like he stepped out of Fist of the North Star and had wavy brown hair. Alpha's Ryu has the floppy brown hair, a rounder face, and a white hachimaki. IV's has 3's hairstyle, but in brown hair.

Smash's Ryu is very clearly the 3/5 design, not the other ones.

Okay well, modern Ryu like modern Sonic

I still really like his Alpha design a lot. Actually, I really love everyone's Alpha designs

 

[Neoxon]

Actually, Ryu looks quite a bit different in the other Street Fighter games. In 1 he had red hair and red shoes, in 2 he looked like he stepped out of Fist of the North Star and had wavy brown hair. Alpha's Ryu has the floppy brown hair, a rounder face, and a white hachimaki. IV's has 3's hairstyle, but in brown hair.

Smash's Ryu is very clearly the 3/5 design, not the other ones.

Nope, Smash 4 Ryu is SFIV Ryu. You can tell by his hair & gloves. The funny thing is that his reveal art has Ryu wearing his SFV gloves.

 

[Starphoenix]

As far as characters go, I really only would expect Ice Climbers just because they were running at one point on the Wii U version but held back by the 3DS' technical limitations -- I'm pretty sure the New 3DS could have handled their AI. That's as far as I'm willing to go. Maybe Chorus Men will finally appear too if they were in the same boat as the Ice Climbers and didn't die in the inception phase of the game. Wolf makes a lot of sense; Inkling makes a lot of sense too. Four characters would be above and beyond generous considering all the DLC we received.

What I'm looking forward to/hoping for outside of characters are:

- Magicant in HD
- Miiverse available online
- A mode to use the hazard-less All Star variation of stages
- More Final Fantasy music
- Offline tourneys
- Ability to use Miis online in 1v1, 4v4 or Team Battle
- An organized character select screen!!!

 

[Menitta]

I fail to understand how the Chorus Men could be in Smash. They do literally one thing in their game.

 

[TheDinoman]

I fail to understand how the Chorus Men could be in Smash. They do literally one thing in their game.

I fail to understand how the Duck Hunt dog could be in Smash. He literally only does one thing in his game.

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i know he also picks up ducks but the point still stands

 

[L Thammy]

Nope, Smash 4 Ryu is SFIV Ryu. You can tell by his hair & gloves. The funny thing is that his reveal art has Ryu wearing his SFV gloves.

I knew that you were going to mention the gloves, but you're still wrong. Ryu's hair in 3, 5, and Smash are all noticeably darker than 4. Additionally, the shape of Ryu's face is also noticeably thinner in these games. There's aspects of IV's design in the Smash design, but nothing that didn't carry over to 5. Doesn't contribute to the design being outdated.

 

[Neoxon]

I knew that you were going to mention the gloves, but you're still wrong. Ryu's hair in 3, 5, and Smash are all noticeably darker than 4. Additionally, the shape of Ryu's face is also noticeably thinner in these games. There's aspects of IV's design in the Smash design, but nothing that didn't carry over to 5. Doesn't contribute to the design being outdated.

Ryu's face is also from IV, as is the styling of Ryu's hair (color aside, which can be attributed to SFIV's art style).

As for Fox & Falco, I could see an issue coming up with their already-made Amiibos if Sakurai were to change the default design to their SFZ designs.

 

[Ryce]

I fail to understand how the Chorus Men could be in Smash. They do literally one thing in their game.

It's pretty easy to envision a move set for the Chorus Kids that utilizes singing and some of the more popular mini-games from Rhythm Heaven. Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, and Duck Hunt have full move sets despite only doing one thing in their respective games. R.O.B. is practically an original character in Smash Bros.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

 

[L Thammy]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

Before or after the projectile vomiting?

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But really I wouldn't be too upset, Final Fantasy XV looks really good. I'd rather not have two characters from the same third party series though.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Before or after the projectile vomiting?

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But really I wouldn't be too upset, Final Fantasy XV looks really good. I'd rather not have two characters from the same third party series though.

What does that mean?

Edit: you edited your post, so ok, now I know your opinion.

 

[TheDinoman]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

That'd be my only reaction.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I just want snake, I'll even take bare minimum inclusion at this point. Character only no trophies and strages if I must.

 

[Tregard]

Still got hope for ma boi

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

I'd be cool with it, but if FF gets a second character it should be Terra.

 

[TrueBlue]

I'd be cool with it, but if FF gets a second character it should be Terra.

Agreed. Or Sephirorh/Tifa if they stick with FF7. I need to get on to 6 now that I've played and finished 7.

I'd be willing to bet that Sonic will be the first third-party franchise to get a second character. Eggman would be an excellent fit.

 

[Menitta]

I fail to understand how the Duck Hunt dog could be in Smash. He literally only does one thing in his game.

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i know he also picks up ducks but the point still stands

Fair...Enough!

Now that I'm thinking about it, I actually want Chorus Men in Smash now.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm bringing Noctis up because of the possibility of FFXV coming to the NX.

IMO, he'd represent Square Enix revived relationship with Nintendo. Something that has been widely considered a big moment in Nintendo history since FF7 stuck to the original Playstation.

Plus he'd represent a widely anticipated title that has been the works for 10 years. It's a nice way to strike while the iron is hot.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Before the game was out and we knew the whole roster, I had discussions about possible Pokemon to be in Pokken. Like I'd want Electivire more than anything. Or maybe even Rhyperior or Darkrai. (Gen 4 is my favorite. Can ya tell?)

Also, I wasn't on Gaf then.

I can see that! Alright, looking forward to see your thoughts in Pokken thread if we are going to get any sequel.

But the base metagame would be nearly identical to Smash 4 due to the mechanics being the exact same. So yeah, it'd basically be a version of Smash 4 with extras.

It's very likely that the base metagame might not get a huge change but there might be some changes tho.

I wouldn't dismiss the chance that we could get a huge change like Smash 64 > Melee in term of length of development.

The only reason I bring up the Smash 6 thing is, even though nobody else ever considers the games as Smash 4, 5, and 6 (3DS, Wii U, NX), Sakurai does, supposedly. And we don't really know how many more people he works with also considers the games as Smash 4 and 5. That depends on who actually posted that bid. Unless, of course, that job bid was being inherently cryptic but that seems like a stretch. The general community still considers Smash 4 to be a single game on different systems, yes.

I still remember that rumor.. I found it really odd because I presume that they are going to downsize their original team and work with them. I know Iwata and Sakurai probably already planned Smash NX early (probably during DLC development) before Iwata passed away.

I'd love it if we got multiple forms of the Links/Zeldas/Ganondorfs as alts playable in Smash, each with their own respective voices.

Too bad that won't happen.

It would be awesome to see Hyrule Warrior's Link, Sheik, Ganondorf and Zelda in Smash tho.

As far as characters go, I really only would expect Ice Climbers just because they were running at one point on the Wii U version but held back by the 3DS' technical limitations -- I'm pretty sure the New 3DS could have handled their AI. That's as far as I'm willing to go. Maybe Chorus Men will finally appear too if they were in the same boat as the Ice Climbers and didn't die in the inception phase of the game. Wolf makes a lot of sense; Inkling makes a lot of sense too. Four characters would be above and beyond generous considering all the DLC we received.

What I'm looking forward to/hoping for outside of characters are:

- Magicant in HD
- Miiverse available online
- A mode to use the hazard-less All Star variation of stages
- More Final Fantasy music
- Offline tourneys
- Ability to use Miis online in 1v1, 4v4 or Team Battle
- An organized character select screen!!!

I do agreed with you that those 4 characters are very likely to be in the game but I hope that we would get several surprises from Sakurai, like Geno, Gen 7 Pokemon or Style Savvy Shopper.

Yeah, I'm totally up to see those features to be in but I wouldn't expect some features tho.

I fail to understand how the Duck Hunt dog could be in Smash. He literally only does one thing in his game.

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i know he also picks up ducks but the point still stands

I remember people were being very dismissive with the notion about Duck Hunt Dog being playable character. Heck, I had some people making fun of me for supporting Duck Hunt. Now, I'm vindicated!

 

[MrSaturn99]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

who

 

[TrueBlue]

If Cloud does return, I hope he gets more music to go along with his stage. The FF7 soundtrack is too good to be only limited to two songs.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

I wouldn't be upset since I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan but I really find that very unlikely to happens.

I'm bringing Noctis up because of the possibility of FFXV coming to the NX.

IMO, he'd represent Square Enix revived relationship with Nintendo. Something that has been widely considered a big moment in Nintendo history since FF7 stuck to the original Playstation.

Plus he'd represent a widely anticipated title that has been the works for 10 years. It's a nice way to strike while the iron is hot.

To be honest, I think Geno might be better representative for revived relationship between Square-Enix and Nintendo. I know Sakurai made some comments about wanting Geno in Smash Bros.

Geno:

—What led you to decide to make a Geno costume after all this time?

Sakurai: To tell the truth, it’s because I wanted Geno to be a playable character. He has a gun for a hand, and I think he fits in really well with Smash. During Brawl, I thought it would be great if I could add him, but in the end it didn’t become a reality.

Let's be realistic with Geno, he isn't a great choice for downloadable character because he's really an obscure character with a lot of supports and request behind him. Cloud would outsell Geno easily in heartbeat so I think he might be better choice to take a part of disc roster. Geno might have a chance in future Smash but the chance is very unlikely.

 

[Menitta]

Alright, I want NeoGaf users to answer this. How would you feel if Noctis from Final Fantasy XV came as a new character in Smash NX?

Cloud is in a special situation. Him being in Smash bros makes sense. He's been around for almost 20 years, he's a character in a game regarded as one of the best of all time, and he's basically Squeenix's mascot by now.

Noctis would be awkward. He's in a game that took 10 years to come out and that's not even announced for a Nintendo console. Also, that would be two Final Fantasy characters. Yes FE has 6 characters, but that IP is owned by Nintendo and is only on Nintendo consoles.

I personally wouldn't like it.

 

[Jawmuncher]

Sakurai for the most part makes really good picks. I agree with him in that sometimes the choices need to be made for a overall rather than what the close knit online community wants. Cloud over Geno was pretty impressive, even if it dissapointed some.

As for Smash NX I doubt anyone who made it in as DLC has anything to worry about. I fully expect all deals for the third parties this time were made to lock everyone in for another game.

 

[TheDinoman]

I'd say the only way any of the third parties will be left behind is if their parent company goes completely off the deep end (ie Konami).

 

[A Link to the Past]

If I had to lowball it, I'd say

1. Inkling (Callie/Mary as alt characters, but with unique taunts and animations)
2. Wolf
3. Ice Climbers
4. Geno
5. Ice Climbers

Midball (what I'm expecting will be the range)

6. Isaac
7. Midna
8. Ashley
9. Dixie Kong
10. King Hippo :>

Highball (probably not)

11. Professor Layton
12. Dark Samus
13. Paper Mario
14. Heihachi Mishima
15. Captain N

 

[BluePikmin11]

I wouldn't be upset since I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan but I really find that very unlikely to happens.



To be honest, I think Geno might be better representative for revived relationship between Square-Enix and Nintendo. I know Sakurai made some comments about wanting Geno in Smash Bros.



Let's be realistic with Geno, he isn't a great choice for downloadable character because he's really an obscure character with a lot of supports and request behind him. Cloud would outsell Geno easily in heartbeat so I think he might be better choice to take a part of disc roster. Geno might have a chance in future Smash but the chance is very unlikely.

I'd really like Geno, but I think I'd like to see him appear in a new SMRPG before getting in Smash.

Right now, with Square and Nintendo's relationship forming, that possibility might happen. But it's still quite uncertain, more uncertain than Final Fantasy coming back to Nintendo consoles.

 

[Starphoenix]

I'd say the only way any of the third parties will be left behind is if their parent company goes completely off the deep end (ie Konami).

I'm kind of curious how those contracts will work in regards to a potential Smash NX. Hopefully there would be no issues re-licensing them for an upgrade.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm bringing Noctis up because of the possibility of FFXV coming to the NX.

IMO, he'd represent Square Enix revived relationship with Nintendo. Something that has been widely considered a big moment in Nintendo history since FF7 stuck to the original Playstation.

Plus he'd represent a widely anticipated title that has been the works for 10 years. It's a nice way to strike while the iron is hot.

Square-Enix & Nintendo's relationship started to improve since the DS days, it wasn't something that just happened in the last few months.

If I had to lowball it, I'd say

1. Inkling (Callie/Mary as alt characters, but with unique taunts and animations)
2. Wolf
3. Ice Climbers
4. Geno
5. Ice Climbers

Midball (what I'm expecting will be the range)

6. Isaac
7. Midna
8. Ashley
9. Dixie Kong
10. King Hippo :>

Highball (probably not)

11. Professor Layton
12. Dark Samus
13. Paper Mario
14. Heihachi Mishima
15. Captain N

To be honest, whoever the Rhythm Heaven rep was supposed to be (likely the Chorus Kids) would be more likely than Geno. And even then, low-balling it would be no new characters.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Square-Enix & Nintendo's relationship started to improve since the DS days, it wasn't something that just happened in the last few months.


To b honest, whoever the Rhythm Heaven rep was supposed to be (likely the Chorus Kids) would be more likely than Geno. And even then, low-balling it would be no new characters.

Yeah, I get that, but the console side of the relationship is what people consider to be the broken relationship. More big Square Enix games coming to Nintendo consoles would be considered a huge turn in history, especially if the NX has Final Fantasy XV and VII Remake.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Cloud is in a special situation. Him being in Smash bros makes sense. He's been around for almost 20 years, he's a character in a game regarded as one of the best of all time, and he's basically Squeenix's mascot by now.

Definitely. That's why Sakurai chose Cloud for Smash Bros. That made me question the chance that Geno would have in future iteration. Maybe Geno wouldn't happens after all.

Sakurai for the most part makes really good picks. I agree with him in that sometimes the choices need to be made for a overall rather than what the close knit online community wants. Cloud over Geno was pretty impressive, even if it dissapointed some.

That would be weird if people are actually going to be disappointed if Cloud got in over Geno. I meant it's freaking CLOUD!

I'm kind of curious how those contracts will work in regards to a potential Smash NX. Hopefully there would be no issues re-licensing them for an upgrade.

I'm pretty sure that they probably planned to work on Smash NX before or during DLC development phase. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to work out the license agreements for Smash NX with Capcom and SEGA awhile they were requesting for Bayonetta and Ryu. It's basically hit two birds with a stone. I think Cloud, Ryu and Bayonetta are more likely to have three games in their license agreement awhile they are going to renew Mega Man, Pac MAN and Sonic with the studios. That's why I don't really deny the chance that the team could ask Square-Enix for one more character so they could include them for future iteration.

And even then, low-balling it would be no new characters.

Exactly. Low-Balling is pretty much no new characters since new contents aren't confirmed yet. I just want to constantly remind everyone here to not get their expectation and hype too high until we get a solid confirmation from Nintendo, Sakurai or reliable leak.

 

[Hylian7]

Definitely. That's why Sakurai chose Cloud for Smash Bros. That made me question the chance that Geno would have in future iteration. Maybe Geno wouldn't happens after all.



That would be weird if people are actually going to be disappointed if Cloud got in over Geno. I meant it's freaking CLOUD!

Yeah, every time (pretty much sense Melee) people made those photoshopped "dream" rosters, Cloud was on every single one of them. He was considered one of those characters that was never going to happen. Hell he was basically considered as likely to make it in as Snake coming back is.

Do people actually still believe Snake will come back given Konami's shenanigans lately?