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[dippa]

I've got 2x reference 780's in my current rig, and I'm fed up enough with the state of SLI support that I'm happy to go to a single card with my next upgrade. I'll palm the second 780 off to my Steam Box (which is currently running a 660 Ti -- hopefully there's no size issues with the case, although being a BitFenix Prodigy it should be OK).

However, from what I'm seeing about Pascal it seems like those chips will be about 980 Ti performance -- so the question is: 1070, or one of the Pascal cards that hits the 980 Ti level. I'm kind of tempted to wait for HBM2 too, although then I'm wondering: should I upgrade the mobo and get DDR4 RAM too?

Decisions, decisions. It'll be nice to see some real-world benchmarks.

 

[holygeesus]

Won't dual card set-ups become more viable with the increasing development of DX12 titles? The ability to mix and match different brands of cards seems more of an option than ever before and seems more reliable than traditional SLI.

 

[VlaudTheImpaler]

This is how I see things...

1080p 60Hz
-Don't upgrade: 780 or above
-Upgrade: 770 or below.
- Get: 1070. Watch Maxwell price drops and used market

1080p 100Hz+
- Don't upgrade: 980, 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get: 1070

1440p 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: 980 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get 1070

1440p 100Hz+
-Don't upgrade: 980 Ti, Titan X
-Upgrade: Anything but a 980 Ti, Titan X
- Get 1080 if you are on old hardware, those with Maxwell wait for 1080 Ti w/HBM2

4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: PS4K

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: PS4K.

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[Kayant]

Won't dual card set-ups become more viable with the increasing development of DX12 titles? The ability to mix and match different brands of cards seems more of an option than ever before and seems more reliable than traditional SLI.

More the opposite because it's more up to devs to implement these things and I doubt many would be doing that much work for so little of the market that would use it.

 

[GhostTrick]

Holy shit what.

You should check your temperature ingame with Rivatuner/MSI Afterburner. Basically, if in a demanding game, your R9 290 has a 100% of GPU usage, is reaching 94°C and isn't using it's full speed clock, then it's throttling.

 

[holysan]

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oh you

 

[AtlAntA]

You should check your temperature ingame with Rivatuner/MSI Afterburner. Basically, if in a demanding game, your R9 290 has a 100% of GPU usage, is reaching 94°C and isn't using it's full speed clock, then it's throttling.

Man that is really bad. Is that on reference cooling though? My msi gtx 970 hits 73c max on a pretty big overclock.

 

[martino]

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False needed custom category
more like that

4K PR 20-30Hz
- Get: PS4K

 

[holygeesus]

More the opposite because it's more up to devs to implement these things and I doubt many would be doing that much work for so little of the market that would use it.

Sorry I thought it was a feature of DX12 rather than something that had to be implemented on a per-title basis. That sucks then.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Do you play old games, 720p, low-med settings and/or 30 fps?


I wouldn't be able to handle that.

I'm still running a Msi GTX 760 too and it's surprised me how well it still handles games. 1080p/30fps high settings, on games like Witcher 3 and Mad Max runs at 60fps on high settings.

It's clearly at it's limit now though, with it being such an old card and I'm ready for upgrading, so whatever I go for, I should see a nice step up in performance but I'm still tempted to wait for the HBM 2 cards.

Waiting for the performance results to see how strong the 1070 and 1080 really are first.

 

[paskowitz]

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Haha... no. Good luck with that.

 

[Smokey]

Won't dual card set-ups become more viable with the increasing development of DX12 titles? The ability to mix and match different brands of cards seems more of an option than ever before and seems more reliable than traditional SLI.

In theory, but in practice dual card support for new titles is in the worst state I've seen in some time.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Won't dual card set-ups become more viable with the increasing development of DX12 titles? The ability to mix and match different brands of cards seems more of an option than ever before and seems more reliable than traditional SLI.

That's theory. In practice, it's now a lot more work for developers which means it'll be less supported especially as DX12 becomes more supported. However, no need to fret. Not every developer will use DX12. DX11 will be supported for some time. Once it isn't, it'll be because MS introduced another version of the high level DX API.

 

[MikeE21286]

This is how I see things...

1080p 60Hz
-Don't upgrade: 780 or above
-Upgrade: 770 or below.
- Get: 1070. Watch Maxwell price drops and used market

1080p 100Hz+
- Don't upgrade: 980, 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get: 1070

1440p 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: 980 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get 1070

1440p 100Hz+
-Don't upgrade: 980 Ti, Titan X
-Upgrade: Anything but a 980 Ti, Titan X
- Get 1080 if you are on old hardware, those with Maxwell wait for 1080 Ti w/HBM2

4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: 1080 if on old hardware but don't expect future AAA titles to run 4K/60. 1080 Ti will be a safer bet.

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: 1080 Ti or Pascal Titan and nothing less. 4K 100hz+ w/HDR will likely need SLI 1080 Ti.

That probably makes a lot of sense.

I can't wait to see the 4K benchmarks on the 1080 or whatever the highest card is called

 

[paskowitz]

I'm guessing games like GTAV, The Witcher 3 and The Division won't hit 60fps at 4K *at max settings.

 

[Sulik2]

I'm interested in how AMD actually does against Nvidia with this gen. We need a decent Nvidia challenger to bring prices down. These cards sound great but I'm not spending six fifty on a non hbm video card.

 

[Smokey]

I'm guessing games like GTAV, The Witcher 3 and The Division won't hit 60fps at 4K.

You probably could, but not at max settings.

 

[MaDKaT]

Hmm... picked up a 390 cheap earlier this year as a hold over for the rumored potential of these cards however unless my card spectacularly fails to support my Vive(Any day now) I guess Ill be waiting a bit longer.

 

[Vitor711]

.4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: PS4K

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: PS4K.

Haha, no. The PS4K has the estimated GPU power of a 970. That's not happening.

 

[RedSwirl]

I'm still running a Msi GTX 760 too and it's surprised me how well it still handles games. 1080p/30fps high settings, on games like Witcher 3 and Mad Max runs at 60fps on high settings.

It's clearly at it's limit now though, with it being such an old card and I'm ready for upgrading, so whatever I go for, I should see a nice step up in performance but I'm still tempted to wait for the HBM 2 cards.

Waiting for the performance results to see how strong the 1070 and 1080 really are first.

This is pretty much where I'm at (Gigabyte 760 though). I'm not really worried about memory though so I'll be fine with the 1070 or even possibly the eventual 1060.

 

[audio_delay]

Haha, no. The PS4K has the estimated GPU power of a 970. That's not happening.

Isn't the rumour that the PS4K will have something based on a polaris 10, which is 980ti level iirc (polaris 11 is the small one)

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Isn't the rumour that the PS4K will have something based on a polaris 10, which is 980ti level iirc (polaris 11 is the small one)

I'd read that by conservative estimates the PS4K will cure world poverty.

 

[Turin Turambar]

Guy who knows NOTHING about PCs, but needs one for VR with another (dumb?) question:

Could these new cards, although apparently not being a lot more powerful, have something that would be specifically beneficial for VR?

Actually yes, John Carmack commented once how modern gpus are designed for maximum throughput and not minimal latency.

 

[Beerman462]

Isn't the rumour that the PS4K will have something based on a polaris 10, which is 980ti level iirc (polaris 11 is the small one)

The PS4K will have twice the CUs of PS4. That means PS4=1.84TF and PS4K=3.68TF. That puts the PS4K around a stock 7970 which is still pretty good. This is just my interpretation assuming the architecture stays the same which makes sense if they are running the same discs/code.

 

[bobeth]

Isn't the rumour that the PS4K will have something based on a polaris 10, which is 980ti level iirc (polaris 11 is the small one)

That's not a rumor, it's daydreaming fantasy..

 

[Onemic]

Actually yes, John Carmack commented once how modern gpus are designed for maximum throughput and not minimal latency.

Pascal/Polaris are trying to go for minimal latency?

 

[Turin Turambar]

Pascal/Polaris are trying to go for minimal latency?

No idea.

He just asked "could these new cards...?" and I just replied, that theoretically, they could.

 

[jaina]

Still happy with my GTX760.

I just bought a 1440p monitor and have a 760. ¯\_(&#12484_/¯
G-sync will hopefully take some care of me until next year.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

That's not a rumor, it's daydreaming fantasy..

Is it? I would think it more unlikely that AMD and Sony would do a completely redesigned current APU chip on 14nmFF and then add improved GCN plus, presumably, 4K media blocks when Polaris is right there.

Would be really nice to know which way Sony have gone here, though.

@Beerman462 I think the TF would be 4.2TF with the higher clocks?

 

[darth_infamous]

Letsssss go

 

[DalikSkywing]

4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: PS4K

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: PS4K.

 

[MikeE21286]

Haha, no. The PS4K has the estimated GPU power of a 970. That's not happening.

Yeah I'm of the opinion that thinking Ps4K will natively render 4K will leave people disappointed.

 

[GhostTrick]

Man that is really bad. Is that on reference cooling though? My msi gtx 970 hits 73c max on a pretty big overclock.

Reference cooling only. Others are pretty good

 

[RealityCheque]

That post has been subsequently sneakily edited.

This is GAF, own your shameful and ill-conceived opinions and never apologize for them!

 

[mugurumakensei]

The PS4K will have twice the CUs of PS4. That means PS4=1.84TF and PS4K=3.68TF. That puts the PS4K around a stock 7970 which is still pretty good. This is just my interpretation assuming the architecture stays the same which makes sense if they are running the same discs/code.

It has a clock bump too. Total TF is 4.2 TF.

 

[Mr Friend29]

My 670 is crying knowing its finally going to be retiring soon

either 1080 or 1080ti. VR can't come soon enough!

 

[CyberPunked]

1440p 100Hz+
-Don't upgrade: 980 Ti, Titan X
-Upgrade: Anything but a 980 Ti, Titan X
- Get 1080 if you are on old hardware, those with Maxwell wait for 1080 Ti w/HBM2
.

I'm not sure what modern games get 100fps + @ 1440p with a Titan X.

 

[megarockexe]

So how long until the mid-tier cards start coming out? I want to see if the $150 range is an ideal price-to-performance ratio.

 

[PdotMichael]

The rumor that the new Geforce cards are more expensive than the predecessors is quite the joke.
I hope AMD delievers a real alternative in that regard.

 

[Onemic]

So how long until the mid-tier cards start coming out? I want to see if the $150 range is an ideal price-to-performance ratio.

Im not sure any mid tier cards are in that range

 

[The End]

I'm still running a Msi GTX 760 too and it's surprised me how well it still handles games. 1080p/30fps high settings, on games like Witcher 3 and Mad Max runs at 60fps on high settings.

It's clearly at it's limit now though, with it being such an old card and I'm ready for upgrading, so whatever I go for, I should see a nice step up in performance but I'm still tempted to wait for the HBM 2 cards.

Waiting for the performance results to see how strong the 1070 and 1080 really are first.

I too have a 760 2Gb

and it's the memory limiting it more than anything else

a lot of console ports are coming in with 3Gb+ memory requirements (Titanfall, RotTR, etc) and the 960 4Gb wasn't enough of a jump to justify the cost

the 1060ti tho

 

[jaina]

So how long until the mid-tier cards start coming out? I want to see if the $150 range is an ideal price-to-performance ratio.

you're thinking of the $300 range, NVIDIA does not want $150 cards.

 

[Beerman462]

It has a clock bump too. Total TF is 4.2 TF.

Oh yeah forgot about the clock bump. I still don't think I would compare it to a 970. A OC 7970 GHz edition is probably more comparable.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Hopefully the GTX 1080 will do ultra at 60fps on most games at 3440x1440 for a year or two.

I'm looking at upgrading my 780ti but not sure if I'm better waiting for a 1080ti

 

[KKRT00]

Hopefully the GTX 1080 will do ultra at 60fps on most games at 3440x1440 for a year or two.

I'm looking at upgrading my 780ti but not sure if I'm better waiting for a 1080ti

No it wont.

 

[Phawx]

I'm interested in how AMD actually does against Nvidia with this gen. We need a decent Nvidia challenger to bring prices down. These cards sound great but I'm not spending six fifty on a non hbm video card.

Polaris is an upgraded 390 with much less heat and energy. Vega10 is 2017.

 

[hohoXD123]

No it wont.

For the most graphically intensive games maybe it won't, but "most" games I don't see why not.

 

[Kezen]

Battlefield 5 to be showcased on Nvidia Pascal. Sweclockers are usually very well informed.
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-introduce-gtx-1080-gtx-1070-battlefield-5/

 

[vio]

The rumor that the new Geforce cards are more expensive than the predecessors is quite the joke.
I hope AMD delievers a real alternative in that regard.

Here in Netherlands they are similarly priced, i don`t see that changing with new cards either.

What i expect is that gtx 1070 and amd 490(?) to be more expensive. About 400euros.

 

[Resolution]

Is the 1070 really going to be more expensive than the 970 at launch? I really want to upgrade my 760 but these prices are way too much.