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GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X and GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 available by June 2016

But doesn't 100Hz+ require you to run games at 100+ FPS? Isn't that super difficult with modern games even with one of these new cards?

You don't have to run at 100fps all the time (or run max settings all the time :/ ). The frame rate of the game 99% of the time is independent of the refresh rate of your monitor (unless its a bad bad port). I play 60fps capped games like Dark Souls 1-3 at 120hz. Sometimes you have to use work arounds like borderless windowed to force your desktop refresh for games that don't support over 60hz in fullscreen (like Dark Souls 1-3 :/ ).

For best visual results, the monitor and the game should run (and be capped with something like RTSS) on the same timing ratio e.g. 24fps, 48fps, and 72fps divides into 144hz; 24fps, 30fps, 60fps all divide evenly into 120fps; 25fps, 50fps divides into 100hz; 30fps and 45fps for 90hz.
 

Dmax3901

Member
You don't have to run at 100fps all the time (or run max settings all the time :/ ). The frame rate of the game 99% of the time is independent of the refresh rate of your monitor (unless its a bad bad port). I play 60fps capped games like Dark Souls 1-3 at 120hz. Sometimes you have to use work arounds like borderless windowed to force your desktop refresh for games that don't support over 60hz in fullscreen (like Dark Souls 1-3 :/ ).

For best visual results, the monitor and the game should run (and be capped with something like RTSS) on the same timing ratio e.g. 24fps, 30fps, 60fps all divide evenly into 120fps; 25fps, 50fps divides into 100hz.

Wow ok thanks for this, I had no idea.
 

Lashley

Why does he wear the mask!?
GTX 980 is fine for me.

I'm 1080p G-synching @ 75hz until 2020.

My man

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HowZatOZ

Banned
I'd love to wait for the 1080 as I'm rocking a 770 right now but it really seems like an upgrade to the 390X is a far better choice thanks to the cheaper AUD price tag. The 390X is currently ~$480AUD while the 1080 will most likely launch at +$600AUD, and its still quite a substantial performance jump from the 770 4GB model I have.

I think I'll stick to what I've been doing in previous upgrade paths, change in-between gens. This will especially be the case if I get a 390X and then upgrade later in 2019 or 2020 with HBM2 gen 2 or gen 3 cards.
 

McHuj

Member
I'd love to wait for the 1080 as I'm rocking a 770 right now but it really seems like an upgrade to the 390X is a far better choice thanks to the cheaper AUD price tag. The 390X is currently ~$480AUD while the 1080 will most likely launch at +$600AUD, and its still quite a substantial performance jump from the 770 4GB model I have.

I think I'll stick to what I've been doing in previous upgrade paths, change in-between gens. This will especially be the case if I get a 390X and then upgrade later in 2019 or 2020 with HBM2 gen 2 or gen 3 cards.

Why anyone would be looking to upgrade in May when both Pascal and Polaris are likely to launch in the next 4-6 weeks?
 
I currently have a GTX 970 and I'm thinking of just saying fuck it and getting a 1080 with a 27" inch, 1440p G-Sync monitor at the same time.
 
Do you guys think jumping from 960 4GB to 1070 will be worth it? I don't think I can invest the amount of cash the 1080 requires (or is possibly going to require). So, I know the 1070 will be better than what I currently have, but do we have an idea of just how much? comparing it to the current 970.
 
If these cards have similar levels of performance to the 980/Ti for eg, do you think they will perform better in VR because of the new architecture?
 

JayBabay

Member
If the new 1080 is using GDDR5X vs HBM2 and they claim now it's roughly faster, but in reality can be 20% faster. Let's theoretically assume it is noticeably faster but not glaring, why is there a reluctance to buy it just because of the memory? What difference is that going to make if in the end it is still putting out better numbers. Are the people saying this the same ones that own a 980 or 980ti and for them the upgrade is not significant enough. Or, is it mostly people who own 970 and below and still feel it's not worth an upgrade? I've been needing an upgrade for a longtime and now and was specifically waiting for this new gen and
I feel reluctant after reading some comments.
 

McHuj

Member
If the new 1080 is using GDDR5X vs HBM2 and they claim now it's roughly faster, but in reality can be 20% faster. Let's theoretically assume it is noticeably faster but not glaring, why is there a reluctance to buy it just because of the memory? What difference is that going to make if in the end it is still putting out better numbers. Are the people saying this the same ones that own a 980 or 980ti and for them the upgrade is not significant enough. Or, is it mostly people who own 970 and below and still feel it's not worth an upgrade? I've been needing an upgrade for a longtime and now and was specifically waiting for this new gen and
I feel reluctant after reading some comments.

You should just wait for actual benchmarks as everything else is speculation (price and performance).
 

HowZatOZ

Banned
Why anyone would be looking to upgrade in May when both Pascal and Polaris are likely to launch in the next 4-6 weeks?

Because the 390X is dirt cheap right now in Australia and the newer cards will be rather expensive, and the value from upgrading to a 390X from a 770 4GB is quite substantial.
 
I have a 970 and won't be upgrading unless I get at least 980 Ti performance for considerably less. At this moment it sounds like Polaris will only be a budget offering and won't necessarily reach 980 Ti levels. GP104 on the other hand sounds to me like Nvidia is showing the two cut cards with GDDR5 first, and those won't be much faster either. And even if they get that GDDR5X 1080 launched, I feel it's not going to improve the price/perf ratio much if AMD has nothing to counter it. But that's just speculation for now, it's better to just wait and see. In any case for people who already have 980 Ti's, this really doesn't seem like worth even considering.
 

Vitor711

Member
If the 1080 is a 20% performance boost over the 980 ti, I'll bite.

My 980 is feeling the strain of 1440p and I could use the extra frames. That would be nearly a 50% increase for me at that res so worth the cost once I sell off my current card.
 

sega4ever

Member
You don't have to run at 100fps all the time (or run max settings all the time :/ ). The frame rate of the game 99% of the time is independent of the refresh rate of your monitor (unless its a bad bad port). I play 60fps capped games like Dark Souls 1-3 at 120hz. Sometimes you have to use work arounds like borderless windowed to force your desktop refresh for games that don't support over 60hz in fullscreen (like Dark Souls 1-3 :/ ).

For best visual results, the monitor and the game should run (and be capped with something like RTSS) on the same timing ratio e.g. 24fps, 48fps, and 72fps divides into 144hz; 24fps, 30fps, 60fps all divide evenly into 120fps; 25fps, 50fps divides into 100hz; 30fps and 45fps for 90hz.

that sounds like a pain in the ass, doesn't gsync and freesync fix that?
 

Skenzin

Banned
love how the internet decided Pascal enthusiast cards will be about the same performance as a 980ti, and therefor an unnecessary upgrade.
 

Brew124

Member
Currently running a 970, but have been keeping an eye on the 1070/1080 cards. I know for sure I'm going to wait until next year to see if there's rumblings of a 1080Ti.. and if not.. I'll try holding out for the 1170/1180 gen. But I'll upgrade to the 1080 if it ever becomes a necessity.
 
This is how I see things...

1080p 60Hz
-Don't upgrade: 780 or above
-Upgrade: 770 or below.
- Get: 1070. Watch Maxwell price drops and used market

1080p 100Hz+
- Don't upgrade: 980, 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get: 1070

1440p 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: 980 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get 1070

1440p 100Hz+
-Don't upgrade: 980 Ti, Titan X
-Upgrade: Anything but a 980 Ti, Titan X
- Get 1080 if you are on old hardware, those with Maxwell wait for 1080 Ti w/HBM2

4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: 1080 if on old hardware but don't expect future AAA titles to run 4K/60. 1080 Ti will be a safer bet.

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: 1080 Ti or Pascal Titan and nothing less. 4K 100hz+ w/HDR will likely need SLI 1080 Ti.
this was good advice.

looking forward to whatever comes out next year. Hopefully it'll run Star Citizen at respectable resolutions at 60fps on good settings. In VR. :3
 

HowZatOZ

Banned
So instead of waiting for price drops in June/July, people should buy in May right before the new cards are released?

390X right now is pretty damn cheap, and I don't see it dropping substantially in a month or two. Though its not like I'll be getting one tomorrow anyway but it isn't a bad thing for those running something like my 770 4GB to just get a 390X/980ti as it'll more than cover them even with these upcoming cards.
 

Coffinhal

Member
Which price drop should we expect for the 980Ti (used or not) for this summer/autumn ?

This is how I see things...

1080p 60Hz
-Don't upgrade: 780 or above
-Upgrade: 770 or below.
- Get: 1070. Watch Maxwell price drops and used market

1080p 100Hz+
- Don't upgrade: 980, 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get: 1070

1440p 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: 980 980 Ti, Titan X
- Upgrade: 970 or below
- Get 1070

1440p 100Hz+
-Don't upgrade: 980 Ti, Titan X
-Upgrade: Anything but a 980 Ti, Titan X
- Get 1080 if you are on old hardware, those with Maxwell wait for 1080 Ti w/HBM2

4K 60Hz
- Don't upgrade: SLI 980 Ti or SLI Titan X
- Upgrade: Everybody else
- Get: 1080 if on old hardware but don't expect future AAA titles to run 4K/60. 1080 Ti will be a safer bet.

4K/3560x1440 100Hz+ HDR
- Nothing out there can run this
- Get: 1080 Ti or Pascal Titan and nothing less. 4K 100hz+ w/HDR will likely need SLI 1080 Ti.

The last section includes 3560x1440 (21:9) at 60fps ? Which card should I get for that kind of gaming ? (I don't have a recent card at all, I'm building from scratch)
 

Justinh

Member
So I have a 980ti. Is it worth using the "Step It Up" Program to get the 1080 or would you guys recommend just waiting for the 1080ti/Titan eventually and selling the 980ti on ebay or something?

My main focus is VR. If the 1080 isn't a whole lot faster or faster at all I feel it might be just worth waiting on for something that really is a big step up.

980ti owners, what are your plans?

Personally, I'd probably say it's safer to wait and see just because there's so much unknown (even though I'm not a fan of "perpetual waiting"). Also, I'm pretty sure the EVGA step-up program is only for cards that you've bought in the last three months. Unless you bought your card sometime in February or later then I'm guessing you'll have to ebay it anyways.
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Renekton

Member
390X right now is pretty damn cheap, and I don't see it dropping substantially in a month or two. Though its not like I'll be getting one tomorrow anyway but it isn't a bad thing for those running something like my 770 4GB to just get a 390X/980ti as it'll more than cover them even with these upcoming cards.
Last year I went from 7970 to 290X to maintain 1080p/high/60 at comfortable margin. But now it is starting to feel like the later 7970 years again. Reason being that the upcoming X1.5/PS4K could reset the "High" baseline.
 

Dmax3901

Member
I have an R9 290 4gb with a stock cooler. It performs ok for the most part (I wouldn't mind more power), my main issue is how damn loud it is. Kind of a redundant question given the lack of information at the moment but would these be a good upgrade?
 
that sounds like a pain in the ass, doesn't gsync and freesync fix that?

If you want, you can let your frame rate be whatever. The frame time delivery won't be smooth if your rig is bouncing around between 75- 87 fps. In that case, yeah, G-Sync and Free Sync fix the problem. A problem that is mostly remedied (inexpensively) by just downloading Riva Tuner and Borderless Gaming : /

G-sync and Free Sync don't solve my pet peeve, which is LCD panel blurring. Lighboost and ULMB do, but they aren't compatible with either sync tech, so Borderles Gaming & Rivatuner suit me just fine.

Keep in mind that a G-sync/Freesync monitor running at unsupported (fullscreen) refresh rates in certain games will still cause problems. Exactly why Borderless Gaming or some other such program is essential for HFR monitor use. G-sync still works in widowed mode, BG just sizes and positions the window correctly, I believe.
 

Evo X

Member
Waiting for Titan level card.

Bought my Titan X at launch over a year ago and it's been a great investment. Tearing through everything on my 1440P GSYNC monitor ever since. Never once had performance/multi-GPU issues or worried about VRAM constraints.
 
I have an R9 290 4gb with a stock cooler. It performs ok for the most part (I wouldn't mind more power), my main issue is how damn loud it is. Kind of a redundant question given the lack of information at the moment but would these be a good upgrade?



Stock cooler on R9 290 is awful. Not only it was loud, but it would throttle a lot I changed it for a 30€ aftermarket cooler, not only the thing is damn silent but it never goes past 74°C. The stock cooler reach 94°C easily... and then throttles your GPU hard. You're easily losing 20% of performances thanks to the GPU throttling.
 

Dmax3901

Member
Stock cooler on R9 290 is awful. Not only it was loud, but it would throttle a lot I changed it for a 30€ aftermarket cooler, not only the thing is damn silent but it never goes past 74°C. The stock cooler reach 94°C easily... and then throttles your GPU hard. You're easily losing 20% of performances thanks to the GPU throttling.

Holy shit what.
 

GlamFM

Banned
Guy who knows NOTHING about PCs, but needs one for VR with another (dumb?) question:

Could these new cards, although apparently not being a lot more powerful, have something that would be specifically beneficial for VR?
 
HDR10 is going to require (noticably) more GPU power? Isn't that just going done via an NVENC component blasting through it?
 
Guy who knows NOTHING about PCs, but needs one for VR with another (dumb?) question:

Could these new cards, although apparently not being a lot more powerful, have something that would be specifically beneficial for VR?

Even the older cards have some VR SLI compatibility, where each image is rendered by one GPU, but no VR game is using SLI yet afaik.
 
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