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Fun race, Indiana, and Cruz can get fucked.
danm999 said:
Imagine what the GOP and right wing PACs would make of his Castro defense in a general in a critical swing state like Florida.

They wouldn't even bother asking him a question like at the Miami debate. They'd play clips of Fidel Castro and Sanders praising him and then play clips of Castro talking about Revolution and Bernie talking about a political revolution and bread lines and whatever and fuck it would be over before it started.
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As much as I agree with him on a lot of things, yeah, he's completely unelectable.
 
B-Dubs said:
What the heck was Obama? And Clinton isn't?



What would he be qualified for though?
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Excuse me, why are you engaging him on this? This is obviously a false premise. There is No rvidence whatsoever to suggest Clinton was offered a cabinet position in June when she suspended. Her rhetoric also changed in late April when she was eliminated basically.

Why are you asking what Bernie is qualified for? It's not relevant.
 
Prodigal Son said:
I feel you. I find that kind of endearing though. The 'every person should have a chance to vote' principle is cool to me. It's over, but who cares if its exciting millennials and involving them with politics? That's a great thing imo.
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What worries me is the way in which he is exciting his base.

It might not seem like it, given how hostile I've been to Sanders, but a long time ago, I was actually pleased about his involvement and the fact he was garnering support.

Now however, I find him nothing but damaging to progressivism. His largely young supporters are being sold a fantasy that highly complex problems have simple solutions that all lead to a president with vaguely defined popular support taking the fight to moneyed interests. His dismissal of southern and largely black voters is creating a rift between white progressives and the black community, which would be disastrous for the Democratic Party. And he's encouraging the same demand for ideological purity and refusal to compromise that is ruining the GOP.
 
Miles X said:
Well, of course you do. There is no reason for him to be in, I don't think he should drop though. It's clear he's in this because he doesn't wanna upset his support base. But if he wants to be honest, he should stop peddling the idea he has a chance. It's misleading and he's lying to get donations.

You seem pretty mad bro, just saying.
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Nah. I don't think anyone is mad. I think you're trying to pull a "u mad bro" and it isn't really working. This isn't a particularly 'heated' discussion imo.

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As many has said, he's a message candidate. When was the last time an independent could get their message out on a national stage like he's doing? Jill Stein would murder someone for this opportunity.
 
Y2Kev said:
Excuse me, why are you engaging him on this? This is obviously a false premise. There is No rvidence whatsoever to suggest Clinton was offered a cabinet position in June when she suspended. Her rhetoric also changed in late April when she was eliminated basically.

Why are you asking what Bernie is qualified for? It's not relevant.
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Sorry Kev :(
 
That's two people today who suggested Clinton was offered quid pro quo without any evidence, just their feeling that she is calculating and cynical.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Nah. I don't think anyone is mad. I think you're trying to pull a "u mad bro" and it isn't really working. This isn't a particularly 'heated' discussion imo.

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As many has said, he's a message candidate. When was the last time an independent could get their message out on a national stage like he's doing? Jill Stein would murder someone for this opportunity.
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Ok, but then why is he still making attacks on Hilary?
 
People keep waging these proxy battles over stupid shit that doesn't matter. So much sniping for no reason.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Nah. I don't think anyone is mad. I think you're trying to pull a "u mad bro" and it isn't really working. This isn't a particularly 'heated' discussion imo.

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As many has said, he's a message candidate. When was the last time an independent could get their message out on a national stage like he's doing? Jill Stein would murder someone for this opportunity.
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Last I checked he was democratic? If he's independent why the heck is he running under the democratic party?

And why do you keep bringing up you being mad ...
 
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Now that's a Presidential image.
 
Zornack said:
Has anyone brought up Sanders saying that the CIA should be abolished? Or when he worked for a party that called for abolishing the millitary? Or his 1976 gubernatorial bid where he ran for a party that called for a state takeover of utilities without compensation to the individuals who own them?

Sanders has a long past of being on the far left that no one has touched, a past that would make him a disaster in the general.
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danm999 said:
Imagine what the GOP and right wing PACs would make of his Castro defense in a general in a critical swing state like Florida.

They wouldn't even bother asking him a question like at the Miami debate. They'd play clips of Fidel Castro and Sanders praising him and then play clips of Castro talking about Revolution and Bernie talking about a political revolution and bread lines and whatever and fuck it would be over before it started.
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All of that pales in comparison to the dirt on the hill. If you think the republican superpacs spent all there resources on Hilary already then your dead wrong. She literally has a FBI investigation on her and republicans would love to get her indicted. Trump has literally paid her for his own bidding.

As a Floridian, this state is seemingly voting Trump in the GE. Everyday I see more and more Trump sticks signs. And I'm not even in the rural areas, I'm in South Florida.
 
Miles X said:
Last I checked he was democratic? If he's independent why the heck is he running under the democratic party?

And why do you keep bringing up you being mad ...
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He literally signed up for the democratic party last year so he could run in the democratic primary, since he knew he'd have absolutely no shot as a third party
 
ant1532 said:
All of that pales in comparison to the dirt on the hill. If you think the republican superpacs spent all there resources on Hilary already then your dead wrong. She literally has a FBI investigation on her and republicans would love to get her indicted. Trump has literally paid her for his own bidding.

As a Floridian, this state is seemingly voting Trump in the GE. Everyday I see more and more Trump sticks signs. And I'm not even in the rural areas, I'm in South Florida.
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word salad
 
ant1532 said:
All of that pales in comparison to the dirt on the hill. If you think the republican superpacs spent all there resources on Hilary already then your dead wrong. She literally has a FBI investigation on her and republicans would love to get her indicted. Trump has literally paid her for his own bidding.

As a Floridian, this state is seemingly voting Trump in the GE. Everyday I see more and more Trump sticks signs. And I'm not even in the rural areas, I'm in South Florida.
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Nobody cares about your anecdotal evidence dude, and Sanders isn't going to be the nom, so it's entirely pointless talking about who will be the better GE candidate.
 
ant1532 said:
All of that pales in comparison to the dirt on the hill. If you think the republican superpacs spent all there resources on Hilary already then your dead wrong. She literally has a FBI investigation on her and republicans would love to get her indicted. Trump has literally paid her for his own bidding.

As a Floridian, this state is seemingly voting Trump in the GE. Everyday I see more and more Trump sticks signs. And I'm not even in the rural areas, I'm in South Florida.
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The dirt on Hillary has been thrown at her for the best two decades and she's come through the other side as the most prominent and accomplished female politician in America.

No one has dug through Bernie's past to attack him with and there's a lot to dig through.

Trump is going to win Florida while being despised by Hispanics and women? Please.
 
Y2Kev said:
People keep waging these proxy battles over stupid shit that doesn't matter. So much sniping for no reason.
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Politics have changed. It's no longer about laws, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by pundits and social media. Politics - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. Politics have changed. ID-tagged activists carry ID-tagged phones, use ID-tagged gear. Mottos and hope inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. Politics has changed. The age of election has become the age of control...All in the name of averting catastrophe from parties of mass destruction. And he who controls the election...controls history. Politics have changed. When the election cycle is under total control...politics becomes routine

Edit-Holy shit that one reporter on Fox is roasting Ted Cruz HARD
 
What is even the point of arguing who is the better candidate between Hillary and Bernie at this point? Either of them beats Trump, who cares.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Because part of the far, left independent message is that most democrats are also part of the problem. Have you heard Jill Stein or Margaret Flowers (or whoever) talk?
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No (This is also part of why I think the third party message candidate is a fairly useless thing). But he's literally only helping the republicans by doing this here and now regardless. Time and place are important. Compromise is important. Ideological purity is a garbage concept that only gets in the way of actual change.
 
Miles X said:
Last I checked he was democratic? If he's independent why the heck is he running under the democratic party?

And why do you keep bringing up you being mad ...
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Because you are bringing it up also?

You feeling okay?

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You know very well that independents don't have a shot in the US for the presidency. He's running on virtually the same message as half of the country's progressive indies yet he's gotten some, if any attention because he's a democratic candidate. Even if he ran as an independent and found support, it'd only really guarantee a republican winner, as has been the case in many past elections that he's been a part of in Vermont.

Bernie is an independent running as a democrat. That's half of his appeal.
 
Trouble said:
What is even the point of arguing who is the better candidate between Hillary and Bernie at this point? Either of them beats Trump, who cares.
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Because we're talking about the primaries and not the general election anyways, and knowing who among a group of candidates would be better than what the opposing side is bringing to the table is kind of the point. Not that it matters since Bernie has less chance of winning than I do of being randomly struck by lightning within the next day
 
Aaronrules380 said:
No (This is also part of why I think the third party message candidate is a fairly useless thing). But he's literally only helping the republicans by doing this here and now regardless. Time and place are important. Compromise is important. Ideological purity is a garbage concept that only gets in the way of actual change.
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I get you but here's my position and I know we'll likely disagree.

I don't think the two party system is all we should aspire to. The reality right now may be Democrat or republican, but there are those who want it to be more than that and see issues with both the democratic party and the republican party. Many (Stein or Flowers) don't want to innovate those parties from within, but rather, start something from the outside. Bernie evidently disagrees.
 
DrForester said:
Maybe instead of just wanting him and his followers to shut up and fall in, Hillary should try to work with Bernie to get his supporters on her side, like Obama did with her. I just get the feeling Hillary wants to just shut him out entirely.
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Remember this? HILLARY FREES DELEGATES TO UNITE BEHIND OBAMA

Bernie needs to be doing this, not Hillary. Hillary has already been saying "there's more that unites us than divides us" talking to Sanders supporters. Bernie needs to tell his crowds to support Hillary instead of making money laundering accusations
 
Prodigal Son said:
I get you but here's my position and I know we'll likely disagree.

I don't think the two party system is all we should aspire to. The reality right now may be Democrat or republican, but there are those who want it to be more than that and see issues with both he democratic party and the republican party. Many (Stein or Flowers) don't want to innovate those parties from within, but rather, start something from the outside. Bernie evidently disagrees.
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Whether it's what we should aspire to or not is pointless since the way the US is set up by the constitution it literally can not support more than 2 major parties. So unless you think an amendment will change how our entire congress is set up (it won't), you need to work with the system. Not wanting to work from inside the system when it's by far the most efficient and fastest way to success isn't praiseworthy. It's just stupid
 
Miles X said:
Yeah I've sadly learnt a lot of Bernie fans are much the same from arguing on Twitter lol.
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I'd say the same about hilary supporters lol but they're all here on Gaf or too old to use a computer lol

nobody cares about your anecdotal stories broooo
 
Fox saying Trump is going to speak soon, but no link on their site that I can find. Wonder if he's waiting until after Cruz talks.
 
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