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Crocodile said:
Did Cruz even throw any real shade at Trump in that speech? That hardly sounded like a #NeverTrump speech.
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God probably told nasty Ted he will now be VP
 
Prodigal Son said:
Aaand spreading a message advocating for the creation of a far-left social democracy in the USA. That is also important.
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Yes the message of "superdelegates should overturn the voters" and "GE polls matter even though I've never been attacked" and "Clinton is shady even though I have no proof". If he wants to be a message candidate, he needs to cut ALL those bits out of his talks and speeches.
 
Drek said:
No, they'll get in line and vote Trump in November. This is what the Sanders crew doesn't understand. The GOP base ALWAYS gets in line. The Tea Party crowd hated Romney, they still voted for him against Obama and then showed up strong in mid-terms.

Meanwhile Sanders is travelling across the country spreading a message of anti-establishment, isolationism, and unilateral presidential power. The same message Trump has been spreading. Pretty easy for white independents to make the jump from Sanders to Trump.
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There are some parallels. One that jumped out at me over the past few months is how both camps appreciate complaining. The DNC/RNC aren't being nice/fair, the rules aren't fair, their opponents are cheating, etc.
 
Yeah, I kind of stayed out from calling Sanders to drop out, but now I'm going to say he really should. There is absolutely no reason he has to go to the convention. Hillary didn't in '08, and Sanders shouldn't now. At the very least stop attacking Clinton, and stop trying to outspend her, maybe take all the money he has and spend it on left leaning representatives and senators, or something. Regardless he needs to learn to take an L.
 
Mr. RPG said:
Have you lost faith in your queen already?

You don't think Hillary can beat Trump?
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It's all about the down ticket races. Hillary should beat Trump in the GE easily, but the sooner Bernie is out the faster they can work on the down ticket, get Obama out on the campaign trail, and get those attack ads started. Can't take any chances this November. This election is just too important.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
If he sticks to this, he can stay in as long as he wants.

He needs to stop painting Hillary and the Democratic party as corrupt symbols of the establishment.
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Scenario: If either Hillary or the Democratic party have corrupt practices, shouldn't he be calling that out, as should everyone?
 
GregLombardi said:
I actually think Sanders staying in the campaign is a good thing for Hillary.

It will convince Sanders supporters that he is keeping her honest and moving toward more progressivism. I think they can leverage it.
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Not if he keeps shitting on her day in and day out (money laundering? Seriously?)

I'm of the opinion that the party bigwigs need to come in and endorse Hillary just to give Bernie the hint. If he won't drop out, then deny him a speaking spot at the convention, strip him of his Senate committee memberships and primary him for his Senate seat. He obviously has no interest in playing well with the party, so why should the party go out of their way to give him anything?
 
Prodigal Son said:
Aaand spreading a message advocating the creation of a far-left social democracy in the USA. That is also important.
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He's not spreading any message. He's been using the same rhetoric since the beginning of his campaign, and while it's admirable that he brought his issues to the forefront, anybody who cares has already heard his schtick and they are either with him or they aren't.

Meanwhile while repeating the same stump speech over and over his campaign and his supporters have turned on Hillary in an entirely negative way using the same conservative talking points and conspiracy theories she's endured for years now.

Sanders can do and say whatever he wants but his supporters have set the tone of this primary and it is toxic as hell. If he's truly a progressive, he has a responsibility to step down now and allow time for the party to recover and unify and start fundraising to stop the mad man we'll be facing in the general.

He won't though, because in actuality he's just a stubborn bulldog of an ideologue who never had any loyalty to the Democratic party, and doesn't seem to care that his supporters continue to slander the woman who is our best chance for progress in this country.

Love Bernie, hate Bernie, he's just not the guy. And he doesn't seem to be able to accept that.
 
Drek said:
No, they'll get in line and vote Trump in November. This is what the Sanders crew doesn't understand. The GOP base ALWAYS gets in line. The Tea Party crowd hated Romney, they still voted for him against Obama and then showed up strong in mid-terms.
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I'm expecting Trump to get kicked out at the convention-that is if Sanders loses the nomination on the Dem's side- in turn the GOP will draft Jeb Bush to combat another Clinton ("you go establish so we will go establishment"), and a lot of upset voters in the fall (heavy protesting).
 
Square2015 said:
I'm expecting Trump to get kicked out at the convention-that is if Sanders loses the nomination on the Dem's side- in turn the GOP will draft Jeb Bush to combat another Clinton ("you go establish so we will go establishment"), and then a lot of upset voters in the fall (heavy protests).
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Huge sarcasm here right?
 
Bernie really needs to drop out now. Hillary getting double teamed by trump and sanders for the next couple months is not good for the democratic party
 
Damaniel said:
Not if he keeps shitting on her day in and day out (money laundering? Seriously?)
If he won't drop out, then deny him a speaking spot at the convention, strip him of his Senate committee memberships and primary him for his Senate seat. He obviously has no interest in playing well with the party, so why should the party go out of their way to give him anything?
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Democracy everyone
 
Chezzymann said:
Bernie really needs to drop out now. Hillary getting double teamed by trump and sanders for the next couple months is not good for the democratic party
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If Bernie continues his attacks on Hillary, he'll be seen as a villian in the future. That'll be his legacy. (Well, with people over 21 anyway).

Square2015 said:
Not at all, let's see if it happens.
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Let's not, you're being ridiculous. Some of the stuff people come up with, utterly laughable.
 
BlitzEngineer said:
He's not spreading any message.
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Oh come on. Why should I read the rest of this if you're going to precede everything you have to say with a factually inaccurate, intellectually disingenuous sentence like this? Come on.



OT: I understand the fear that his attacks against Clinton empower trump, but that doesn't mean 'he isn't spreading' a message and it certainly doesn't mean the core of his message isn't of worth.
 
Sean C said:
Uh, no he won't.

It seems like a state's demographics are a much better indicator of how they'll vote than polling with some consistency. Nate Silver was saying earlier that Indiana favoured Bernie by about 7 points on a demographic basis, contrary to the polls.
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K, we'll see. He continues to gain ground and that is before getting a bump from GOP unification followed by a second bump when the media starts selling the false equivalency narrative typical of a general election.

There are an awful lot of white voters who have bought into the shared anti-establishment, isolationist ideology of Sanders/Trump. Both campaign support groups have made it pretty evident that most of those people believe in unilateral executive action or with stirring a little bigotry into the narrative.

Clinton is going to see a nice bump in the south but it won't be enough to flip any of them. Sanders is doing enough damage to the Democratic party in swing states through the rust belt to flip them red. Florida and North Carolina are Hillary's firewalls, but any close blue state with a predominantly white population will be at risk to flip.
 
Go home, Sanders. It's time to start the general election.

This delusional fuck is still attacking Hilldawg like he has a chance. You're wasting her time, you're wasting my time, you're wasting our time. Frankly, the side that I've chosen has a SCOTUS to win so that we can maybe overturn the dipshit rulings spearheaded by patented evil like Scalia and Thomas.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Oh come on. Why should I read the rest of this if you're going to precede everything you have to say with a factually inaccurate, intellectually disingenuous sentence like this? Come on.



OT: I understand the fear that his attacks against Clinton empower trump, but that doesn't mean 'he isn't spreading' a message and it certainly doesn't mean the core of his message isn't of worth.
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His message has reached its peak. If he wants it to continue he should come to a pact with Hillary, perhaps her giving Bernie the spotlight to spread his message in a positive manner instead of all this negativity that is surrounding him right now.
 
BlitzEngineer said:
He's not spreading any message. He's been using the same rhetoric since the beginning of his campaign, and while it's admirable that he brought his issues to the forefront, anybody who cares has already heard his schtick and they are either with him or they aren't.

Meanwhile while repeating the same stump speech over and over his campaign and his supporters have turned on Hillary in an entirely negative way using the same conservative talking points and conspiracy theories she's endured for years now.

Sanders can do and say whatever he wants but his supporters have set the tone of this primary and it is toxic as hell. If he's truly a progressive, he has a responsibility to step down now and allow time for the party to recover and unify and start fundraising to stop the mad man we'll be facing in the general.

He won't though, because in actuality he's just a stubborn bulldog of an ideologue who never had any loyalty to the Democratic party, and doesn't seem to care that his supporters continue to slander the woman who is our best chance for progress in this country.

Love Bernie, hate Bernie, he's just not the guy. And he doesn't seem to be able to accept that.
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I share this opinion. To be honest, it's frightening there's a chance Trump could win the presidency. This is the kind of worst case scenario that demands the unification of the party early on.
 
Miles X said:
His message has reached its peak. If he wants it to continue he should come to a pact with Hillary, perhaps her giving Bernie the spotlight to spread his message in a positive manner instead of all this negativity that is surrounding him right now.
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You're concluding this based on your own feelings and not on anything empirical. In fact, the numbers disagree with you. His poll numbers are going in only one direction.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Oh come on. Why should I read the rest of this if you're going to precede everything you have to say with a factually inaccurate, intellectually disingenuous sentence like this? Come on.



OT: I understand the fear that his attacks against Clinton empower trump, but that doesn't mean 'he isn't spreading' a message and it certainly doesn't mean the core of his message isn't of worth.
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There's plenty of worth.

But we've been listening to it for eight months now, man. Hillary has shifted left. Everybody with ears and eyes can recognize that his views represent the future for progressive values in this country. Young voters (who may or may not stick around) are paying more attention, and social democracy is a closer reality for the US.

He's accomplished so much. But that's where his story ends. He's set the stage for the younger generation and now he needs to move aside. Him staying in the race isn't helping spread his message; we know his message. Instead it's allowing his fervent and overly zealous supporters to erode away Hillary on the left while she should be preparing for an onslaught on the right.
 
Prodigal Son said:
You're concluding this based on your own feelings and not on anything empirical. In fact, the numbers disagree with you. His poll numbers are going in only one direction.
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Eh? Not really. That fact is he isn't saying anything new (I mean he doesn't say much in the first place).
 
Lol I got -15 points on /r/ politics for my latest post here with people replying that hillary deserves the attacks and she is bad for the democratic process
 
Prodigal Son said:
Oh come on. Why should I read the rest of this if you're going to precede everything you have to say with a factually inaccurate, intellectually disingenuous sentence like this? Come on.



OT: I understand the fear that his attacks against Clinton empower trump, but that doesn't mean 'he isn't spreading' a message and it certainly doesn't mean the core of his message isn't of worth.
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Sanders knows full well how the government works and what progress requires, yet he still presents his platform in a way that contradicts that experience and understanding. I don't see much value in that. It's detrimental to the progressive agenda, just as his perpetuation of this fantasy is detrimental to the Democrats.
 
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