Speaking as a bystander from across the pond, seems like he is doing more harm than good to both his own reputation and the party at this point. He has no chance to win and he's already done all that good that can be done in terms of prompting debate and seeding a movement among young people to possibly drag the party more to the left in the future. It would be better now to get united behind Hillary and crush the republicans as hard as possible in november.
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NPR: Bernie Sanders staying in the race 'Until The Last Vote Is Cast'
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No way dude. Obama is still crazy popular in the party, he's got like 80% approval among Democrats. If that situation happens and he throws his arm around Biden then it's gonna be Biden.
Also, there's no way in hell that happens. If there was even a chance Biden would have jumped in the race just in case.
<+)O Robido O(+>
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If his attacks are as fallacious as everyone says, what's there to worry about?
shinra-bansho
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The Vita is still on store shelves too I think.
He's likeable enough.
TheLaughingStock
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People have to weigh risk, liquidity, and return in the goverment's financial system everyday if they hold USD assets. Also, I don't see what hell there is to pay. If Hillary wins, then Trump and Bernie supporters who don't like their standard of living will have to suck it up and deal until next time.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Because a lie has never hurt anyone in politics before, ever.
The difference is that there's only two candidates in the Democratic race and their policies are already similar in many aspects. When faced with a Trump presidency, I really feel that the majority of Bernie supporters are going to vote for Hillary.
That being said, as a Bernie supporter, I definitely do NOT think that Bernie should be attacking Hillary right now. That kind of rhetoric may have had a place when he had a realistic shot at winning, but at this point his messaging should exclusively be towards promoting progressive policies and attacking Trump.
the-pi-guy
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Right.
Keeping his promise is bitter.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ay-race-democratic-convention-hillary-clinton
jack_package_200
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I used to be a Sanders supporter but he has since lost my support. He claimed to be above petty attacks and was only interested in the issues. He is a different man than he was when the race started. He does comes off now like a bitter loser.
His complete lack of specifics on any of his policies at this point in the primary also didn't help my view of him.
His complete lack of specifics on any of his policies at this point in the primary also didn't help my view of him.
First off, the progress Democrats have made is much more than "culturally progressive victories."
Conservatives and republicans can not be ignored. They hold massive amounts of power and anywhere between thirty and fifty percent of the country either agree with or are comfortable with their racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transpacific, xenophobic platform. Deciding to ignore them and attempting to move further to the left than we've gone in decades will only end in ruin.
Fenderputty
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Can anyone give me examples of how Bernie's presence has shifted Hillary to the left?
In what ways does the average Bernie supporter think his continued presence will further this shift?
In what ways does the average Bernie supporter think his continued presence will further this shift?
Particle Physicist
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I just did the math. Bernie needs to get roughly 74% of those delegates to surpass Hillary.
Do you think he will get anywhere close to that in NJ? How about CA?
TwoDurans
"Never said I wasn't a hypocrite."
In light of Trump becoming the nominee I hope Bernie understands that he should stick to policy and stop directly attacking Hillary if he doesn't drop out entirely.
Throwing around incendiary terms like "money laundering" for something that is anything but is basically writing Drumpf's script in the general.
Throwing around incendiary terms like "money laundering" for something that is anything but is basically writing Drumpf's script in the general.
Doc Holliday
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Hilary being the nominee?
That when lies are repeated enough, they become truth(iness). One entire policial party ascribes to it, and no one is 100% free of its influence.
People can be influenced from lies. News at 11. And walking back lies is pretty damn hard to do.
Bel Marduk
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Bernie Sanders is a man of principle and I'm proud to support him
There's nothing wrong with the man staying in the race so he can discuss the issues that are important to him -- and the media which benefits by the narrative that this is a more competitive race than it actually is
There's nothing wrong with the man staying in the race so he can discuss the issues that are important to him -- and the media which benefits by the narrative that this is a more competitive race than it actually is
DragonSworne
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This is getting ridiculous. You lost Bernie, get out of the race. This is coming from one of you supporters.
Democrats really need a winner takes all scheme in their primaries.
Democrats really need a winner takes all scheme in their primaries.
eu pfhor ia
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huh, I wonder why some of his supporters are feeling disenchanted with the democrats...
or is this sarcasm? Can't even tell anymore
The media is ready to shift to the general. Trump vs Clinton is a much juicier story than Bernie vs Clinton.
Wtf are you talking about? He's the most specific candidate in the race. He is ENTIRELY about policy. Calling out Hillary on being a money-pig and a flip-flipper isn't being bitter or petty, it's stating facts. Facts that a lot of Hillary supporters seem absolutely dead set on ignoring. Frankly, we deserve better and his supporters are the only ones willing to fight for it.
ugaboga232
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But money doesn't do any such influencing.
Colonel Mustard
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You've spent too long in the GAF bubble. From exit polling last night, the majority of DEM voters agreed that Bernie's continued stay in the race is a good thing and that they were happy to vote for whichever democratic candidate is nominated. The further he drags the party left, the better.
The, "bububuuut this helps Trump!," people are completely fucking delusional if they think a racist, woman-hating candidate without the support of his own party can actually win a general election. Granted, these are probably the same people that think Nader spoiled the 2000 election.
DrForester
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Who cares what the media wants. Let the man stay in until the end. Total BS the primary system tries to make the states at the back totally meaningless.
Do we have to link the Daily News interviews for each candidate?
Unless you want all the states to vote all at once...
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Not just him delusionally staying in, that's his right but his comments about Hillary needing to win his voters over by herself, etc...
I can see why he's upset he's lost this because he actually has support unlike some candidates and made an impression but there will come a time where he needs to support the candidate who shares some of his vision because the other option is obviously a catastrophe.
shinra-bansho
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The most recent one I can think of off the top of my head is her fumbling around at the last debate I watched trying to say that she supported a $15 dollar minimum wage.
Do you know what it was a year ago? I can't see a way to filter this score by increments of time.
Mercury Fred
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His campaign has become a poisonous, dishonest, snake oil selling dumpster fire. He's doing a disservice to his supporters, to the progressive movement and to the Democratic Party and he should be made to pay for that.
Bel Marduk
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I already conceded I didn't realize the math was that bad, many posts ago.
Diprosalic
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he can stay in if he stops attacking Hilldawg. We don't need two people doing that, because that will get us closer to a Trump presidency.
DrForester
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I think that would be the ideal situation. Alternatively (and logistically, far more practical I think), they should at least shuffle the states every 4 years. Not just let the same states go first forever. Also, if they aren't held at the same time, at least shorten the time frame. Have the primaries done in one or two months.
Mr Clutch
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This. This so much! Hillary supporters tend to take fact-driven "attacks" as petty, grumpy old man attacks. She is flip-floppy, she does practice borderline (and in some cases blatantly) illegal acts, and she can't beat an off the page, improvised campaign like Trump's. Bernie stands the best chance. He is and has been consistently clear on what he wants to accomplish.
mrhyderager
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Nothing pisses me off more than that.
GAF is usually well centered, but the complete vitriol towards Sanders in this forum is ludicrous. People voice legitimate concerns about Hillary, and get no legitimate responses back. They get: "it's all fabricated." How, how, HOW is it that long-time Dems are fabricating these issues with Hillary?
Hillary is the lesser of two evils, sure. She's not the lesser of three, however. I don't believe the Sanders campaign has been negative towards her at all. I think they've voiced legitimate concerns about Hillary's behaviors as a public figure and her so-called "credibility".
radios shipping overview
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Well, I've found a good reason not to watch Samantha Bee, I guess.
jack_package_200
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How is he going to break up the big banks and what are the ramifications of doing that?
How is he going to set up single payer healthcare?
How is he going to make college free for everyone?
How is he going to make the republican congress go along with his ideas?
That NYDN interview showed that he is nothing more than an ideologue
Fenderputty
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This is so laughably inaccurate.
Your boy couldn't even specify the ways he would break up the Banks while Hillary did. His economic proposals are laughably unrealistic (5% growth lol) and he had no comment on how he would transition people currently working in our healthcare model into a single payer system.
He's ran on nothing on nothing but rhetoric and bullshit.
To be fair, don't commit a crime if you can't do the time? Her personal server incident shouldn't be so casually ignored.
Particle Physicist
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Oh, sorry. I had this thread open earlier and had not refreshed. My bad.
Fox Mulder
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He certainly still ranks higher on that scale than hillary.
Having them all vote at once would kill anyone who doesn't have huge connections, underdogs wouldn't even be able to compete. Shifting the states around works in theory, until you get NY or Cali first and find out the media markets are so expensive that underdogs are unable to compete.
the-pi-guy
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Right, how his comments were spun are proof he's become bitter.
His whole point was that he can't just force the people that don't want to vote for Hillary to vote for Hillary.
He was asked the following question:
"Some of your supporters have said they will absolutely not vote for Hillary Clinton, what do you plan to do about them if she becomes the nominee?"
He answered: I can't just snap my fingers and make them move. She has to convince them that she's the best candidate.
Then he was asked, what is his responsibility if she becomes the nominee?
He responded that he will do everything in his power to ensure the president isn't a Republican.
So yes, he's bitter.
I remember her fumbling that question, but I don't think her views have changed. In earlier debates, she clearly supported $12 min. across the nation, and made an unambiguous call for states to go higher than that when it makes sense. She probably tweaked her wording on it after NY went to $15, but I don't think her core view actually changed.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I didn't think that Bernie would end up being the saddest sack out of the rejected candidates, but here we are.
I voted for you Bernie, but leave with some goddamned dignity.
I voted for you Bernie, but leave with some goddamned dignity.
shinra-bansho
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6.4L. I probably should have used [sarcastic] tags.
darkside31337
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The reason the media is trying to make them totally meaningless... is because they're totally meaningless. The race has been over for a while. Even with Bernie's win last night he falls further and further behind.
I used to respect Bernie on some level but its sad hes even more delusional about his prospects than Ted Cruz was about his. And Cruz still had a better shot of stopping Trump than Bernie does of stopping Hillary even after last night.
Bernie can do whatever he wants to do with his campaign but the media shouldn't be treating this like its still a race between Hillary and Bernie.
Fenderputty
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lol
She doesn't though. She would support such a measure if it his her Desk. She supports a $12 dollar min though. I believe the $12 dollar min has been consistent.
Anything else?
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