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[Xal-Shoota]

Why is this so horrible? Yes he probably won't win, but this gives everyone a clear picture of where people stand across the whole country from a citizen standpoint. At the end of the day if/when Hilary wins, people will probably just vote for her and not much changes at the end of the day.

I don't get the pressure and anger for Bernie not dropping out. They might spend extra cash they raised, but id rather get this chance to see a clearer picture of how left the Democratic Party can get.

 

[B-Dubs]

I didn't think that Bernie would end up being the saddest sack out of the rejected candidates, but here we are.

I voted for you Bernie, but leave with some goddamned dignity.

If he wants to get some policy considerations in the platform he should be using his ability to drop out and unify the party right now as leverage. Right now he can act as the king maker and that comes with leverage. If Hillary hits the magic number without him all his leverage goes up in a puff of smoke.

 

[Not]

He certainly still ranks higher on that scale than hillary.

Really? What's Hillary have to be bitter about? The complete and utter lack of a fair shake over the last 40 years due to her gender? Nonsense.

Spoiler

I know you meant likability.

 

[btown]

What a sore loser.

 

[DietRob]

He is and has been consistently clear on what he wants to accomplish.

The problem is he has never been clear on how he will accomplish it. His one man revolution isn't enough.

 

[Vestal]

Wtf are you talking about? He's the most specific candidate in the race. He is ENTIRELY about policy. Calling out Hillary on being a money-pig and a flip-flipper isn't being bitter or petty, it's stating facts. Facts that a lot of Hillary supporters seem absolutely dead set on ignoring. Frankly, we deserve better and his supporters are the only ones willing to fight for it.

tell me these Illegal acts by Hillary..

Also while you are it, where are the specifics for Bernies plan to reform Wall Street. I looked up his website, and all I see is a lot of hot air with little to no detail as to how he would pay for a lot of that.

 

[Moofers]

Do we have to link the Daily News interviews for each candidate?

Go ahead, I'll laugh in your face. You may as well link me to the site for The National Enquirer and/or The Globe while you're at it.

 

[DietRob]

Also while you are it, where are the specifics for Bernies plan to reform Wall Street. I looked up his website, and all I see is a lot of hot air with little to no detail as to how he would pay for a lot of that.

Reminds me a lot of another candidate. He'll make Wall Street pay.

 

[RurouniZel]

Umm. Nope. What is Bernie Obstructing?
This is just so silly..

He has 0 path to victory and is still campaigning. I get the feeling he's doing it not because he believes he can win; but rather because he just hates Hilary.

 

[Fenderputty]

Why is this so horrible? Yes he probably won't win, but this gives everyone a clear picture of where people stand across the whole country from a citizen standpoint. At the end of the day if/when Hilary wins, people will probably just vote for her and not much changes at the end of the day.

I don't get the pressure and anger for Bernie not dropping out. They might spend extra cash they raised, but id rather get this chance to see a clearer picture of how left the Democratic Party can get.

Who cares where fringes of the democratic party align? They mostly don't vote. The eventual nominee will have to appeal to Independents and moderates as well.

Bernie's revolution should have shifted the entire voting demographic left. Not just the democratic party.

 

[Thatonemoor]

With you till the end Bernie.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Nothing pisses me off more than that.

GAF is usually well centered, but the complete vitriol towards Sanders in this forum is ludicrous. People voice legitimate concerns about Hillary, and get no legitimate responses back. They get: "it's all fabricated." How, how, HOW is it that long-time Dems are fabricating these issues with Hillary?

Hillary is the lesser of two evils, sure. She's not the lesser of three, however. I don't believe the Sanders campaign has been negative towards her at all. I think they've voiced legitimate concerns about Hillary's behaviors as a public figure and her so-called "credibility".

Dude, all I did was respond to the question "What is Bernie obstructing?" I like Bernie, and I almost voted him, but you have to admit he's being somewhat stubborn now.

 

[Mr Clutch]

The problem is he has never been clear on how he will accomplish it. His one man revolution isn't enough.

I mean he lays out the issues and his plan to address them quite nicely here:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

 

[the-pi-guy]

He has 0 path to victory and is still campaigning. I get the feeling he's doing it not because he believes he can win; but rather because he just hates Hilary.

He's consistently said for the past few months that he was in this until the end.
I think he's doing it out of principle, not out of hatred.

 

[Tranqueris]

The reason the media is trying to make them totally meaningless... is because they're totally meaningless. The race has been over for a while. Even with Bernie's win last night he falls further and further behind.

I used to respect Bernie on some level but its sad hes even more delusional about his prospects than Ted Cruz was about his. And Cruz still had a better shot of stopping Trump than Bernie does of stopping Hillary even after last night.

Bernie can do whatever he wants to do with his campaign but the media shouldn't be treating this like its still a race between Hillary and Bernie.

I think until last night it could be argued that Cruz was doing pretty well at stealing Trump's delegates away and having some kind of shot at stealing the election from him. Bernie can't even make that claim outside of the extra handful of delegates he gets when people don't show up after caucuses.

 

[norm9]

Once when I was six or seven, my sister asked me to do a chore. I refused to. She took away my birthday gift of micromachine cars. I told her I didn't care even though I did. But it was a line that I drew. I was in it to the end and never got back those micromachines.

 

[Mercury Fred]

He has 0 path to victory and is still campaigning. I get the feeling he's doing it not because he believes he can win; but rather because he just hates Hilary.

It's not hatred, it's ego. He and Jane both seem like pathological narcissists who will do anything not to relinquish the spotlight.

 

[theignoramus]

Interesting, since Trump will attack her from the left on trade and his talking points are similar to Bernie's in that specific area. Thats awkward.

 

[Azerare]

All the Hill-dawgs in this thread are so toxic when talking about Bernie and wanting him to drop out. At least this way maybe Hillary will actually get serious with issues now that the Republicans officially got Trump.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I can understand both sides.

It's almost impossible for Sanders to win and some people think it would be best if he just endorsed Hillary because despite her flaws shes still a much better candidate than Trump.On the other hand, i find is highly concerning that even insinuating that Hillary isnt perfect can result in people ripping you to shreds online.

I personally dont mind seeing him stay because i think Clinton will beat Trump regardless of whether Sanders supports her, and if he can inch her just a little to the left then it will be worth it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Once when I was six or seven, my sister asked me to do a chore. I refused to. She took away my birthday gift of micromachine cars. I told her I didn't care even though I did. But it was a line that I drew. I was in it to the end and never got back those micromachines.

Sad!

Interesting, since Trump will attack her from the left on trade and his talking points are similar to Bernie's in that specific area. Thats awkward.

Being against "trade" isn't "left."
This is one of the nonsensical platforms that the Party will never adopt.

 

[BanGy.nz]

If he wants to get some policy considerations in the platform he should be using his ability to drop out and unify the party right now as leverage. Right now he can act as the king maker and that comes with leverage. If Hillary hits the magic number without him all his leverage goes up in a puff of smoke.

Preview of the upcoming democratic platform fight.

 

[Prodigal Son]

1. The gap between her and obama was a lot smaller

2. She layed off the personal attacks when it became clear she had no chance

3. She should have dropped out much earlier in 2008 tbh

1) Has fuck all to do with public perception of the election cycle: the topic of this discussion. Hillary was losing. Bernie is losing. Bernie has vowed, from early on, to remain in until the convention. HIllary made no such vow.

2) Bernie hasn't made any personal attacks. If questioning judgement is a personal attack to you, let me dodge NeoGAF TOS and say you've got poor judgement in candidates. Ridiculous right? That's because this isn't personal. You're supposed to present your judgement as superior to your opponent's.

3) Irrelevant. You just needed a third point to add some meat to all of your nothing.

 

[jack_package_200]

All the Hill-dawgs in this thread are so toxic when talking about Bernie and wanting him to drop out. At least this way maybe Hillary will actually get serious with issues now that the Republicans officially got Trump.

Well considering we have all been called shills and corporate democratic whores at somepoint during this election for even saying anything remotely positive about her and having to hear about all the conspiracies and the evil Clinton News Network not giving Bernie a fair chance, its safe to assume some of us are pretty sick of Bernie.

 

[Adaren]

All the Hill-dawgs in this thread are so toxic when talking about Bernie and wanting him to drop out. At least this way maybe Hillary will actually get serious with issues now that the Republicans officially got Trump.

Hillary isn't serious about the issues...I'm guessing you haven't seen her NY Daily News interview either?

 

[TyrantII]

But money doesn't do any such influencing.

If money in politics is your issue, it's wierd that a presidential election is your line in the sand.

The only place where anything can be done is in congress and state legislatures. The Presidency and a $2 billion dollar presidential election isn't. Unless you're fine with taking principles losses, over and over, and over.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

Good , I'm glad.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Go ahead, I'll laugh in your face. You may as well link me to the site for The National Enquirer and/or The Globe while you're at it.

Yet Bernie BOMBED that easy interview. No way this guy could handle The GE

Also they are a reputable newspaper. They are not a dumpster fire like the NY Post

 

[alr1ght]

He's consistently said for the past few months that he was in this until the end.
I think he's doing it out of principle, not out of hatred.

Everyone always says that. Most bow out and endorse when there's no longer a path to victory, not ratchet up personal attacks.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Well considering we have all been called shills and corporate democratic whores at somepoint during this election for even saying anything remotely positive about her .

You mean like how we've been called straight, white sexist, racist bros?

 

[JABEE]

Bernie Sanders is not a party yes man, and people are acting like this is a bad thing.

Bernie might as well have packed it up 6 months ago. He didn't have a chance then either.

Wouldn't want to make it more difficult for Hillary. It's "her turn."

 

[Mael]

I swear this feels like déjà-vu and I don't mean from 4 years ago.

I know the only ones with sense in the Sanders campaign are the duo at the top cleaning school kids lunches to line their pockets.
That comic book store reopening is going to be glorious after Sanders drop out!

You mean like how we've been called straight, white sexist, racist bros?

If you dismissed the South democrats votes in the way the Sanders surrogates have there is an argument to be made about racism...

 

[ugaboga232]

If money in politics is your issue, it's wierd that a presidential election is your line in the sand.

The only place where anything can be done is in congress and state legislatures. The Presidency and a $2 billion dollar presidential election isn't. Unless you're fine with taking principles losses, over and over, and over.

I was teasing but a lot could be said of the free media effect of a presidential election negating the need to have quite so much money. I don't really like money in politics at any level, and anyone trying to tell you that any human is infallible and unswayable by money really needs to read up on psychology and see how manipulatable humans are (very).

 

[Azerare]

Well considering we have all been called shills and corporate democratic whores at somepoint during this election for even saying anything remotely positive about her and having to hear about all the conspiracies and the evil Clinton News Network not giving Bernie a fair chance, its safe to assume some of us are pretty sick of Bernie.

At least for this website. I've really only seen one sided ferocity from the hardcore people i call "Hill-Dawgs" against Sanders. The Hillary supporters i know may not agree with him, but they're not as bitter.

 

[FyreWulff]

Why is this so horrible? Yes he probably won't win, but this gives everyone a clear picture of where people stand across the whole country from a citizen standpoint. At the end of the day if/when Hilary wins, people will probably just vote for her and not much changes at the end of the day.

I don't get the pressure and anger for Bernie not dropping out. They might spend extra cash they raised, but id rather get this chance to see a clearer picture of how left the Democratic Party can get.

He's doing nothing for downticket and all he's doing is giving the GOP free attacks on Hilary.

When you run for a party seat you usually want to help the party. He cares more about the BernieBrand and weakening the legs of the party.

Bernie Sanders is not a party yes man, and people are acting like this is a bad thing.

Well, when you're running for a party position and aren't representing the party strategy..

 

[NeuAscension]

All the Hill-dawgs in this thread are so toxic when talking about Bernie and wanting him to drop out. At least this way maybe Hillary will actually get serious with issues now that the Republicans officially got Trump.

At least they can stop spouting the "but Hillary helps down ticket dems, Bernie does not" bullshit.

 

[NeuAscension]

He's doing nothing for downticket and all he's doing is giving the GOP free attacks on Hilary.

When you run for a party seat you usually want to help the party. He cares more about the BernieBrand and weakening the legs of the party.

Required reading. Neither does Hillary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670

 

[Prodigal Son]

If you dismissed the South democrats votes in the way the Sanders surrogates have there is an argument to be made about racism...

Great way to miss the point.

Let me spell it out:

Don't fucking generalize massive groups of people. I don't think Clinton supporters are 'bought out shills.' You shouldn't think Bernie supporters are racist or sexist 'bros' either.

You're generalizing millions of people. You are genuinely beyond reason if you can't see why that's wrong.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I was teasing but a lot could be said of the free media effect of a presidential election negating the need to have quite so much money. I don't really like money in politics at any level, and anyone trying to tell you that any human is infallible and unswayable by money really needs to read up on psychology and see how manipulatable humans are (very).

You don't need to directly donate to influence policy or exert pressure. You can get great laws like the PLCAA passed regardless.

The degree of influence is probably vastly greater at lower levels of government. The levels nobody bothers to vote in.

 

[the-pi-guy]

Well considering we have all been called shills and corporate democratic whores at somepoint during this election for even saying anything remotely positive about her and having to hear about all the conspiracies and the evil Clinton News Network not giving Bernie a fair chance, its safe to assume some of us are pretty sick of Bernie.

Well those kinds of attitudes go both ways.
Xbox sucks because ____
PS sucks because ____

Hillary sucks because ____
Bernie sucks because ______

HillaryGaf sucks because ____
BernieGaf sucks because _____

Pretty much what ends up happening is both sides are annoyed of the other side. Both sides are convinced they are the right side. And both sides become convinced that the other side is corrupt and wrong or stupid and illogical, etc.

.

Don't think most politicians do things on principle, certainly not the way Bernie does.

 

[Melkezadek]

At least for this website. I've really only seen one sided ferocity from the hardcore people i call "Hill-Dawgs" against Sanders. The Hillary supporters i know may not agree with him, but they're not as bitter.

Honestly from my experience I've seen many Bernie supporters shout down anyone even slightly critical of him and them label them as a Hilary supporter. Happens in about every thread I open now.

This is coming from someone who voted for Bernie. It's beyond irritating.

 

[Thatonemoor]

If you dismissed the South democrats votes in the way the Sanders surrogates have there is an argument to be made about racism...

As a black guy from south Georgia that supports Sanders I don't honestly blame him for dismissing my state virtually all together. Hillary had Georgia so bad it was ridiculous.

 

[FyreWulff]

I support this only because it's two more months of trying to push Hillary's campaign towards the left. He's trying to make her take more liberal stances on things. I don't think this is actually him trying to win it anymore.

It may backfire though.

That'd be nice but her losing in 2008 and Obama installing some left-leaning policies as party canon since then has already considerable pushed the party and Hillary more towards the center, and she's already adopted or agreed with some of Sanders' planks. If he wants change then he needs to support people downticket that agree with him, not leave them twisting in the wind. The lower offices are the real meat of change.

 

[Dan]

"I think we are perpetuating the political revolution by significantly increasing the level of political activity that we're seeing in this country," Sanders responded. He added later, "I think it is good for the United States of America, good for the Democratic Party, to have a vigorous debate, to engage people in the political process."

He'll go to his grave before admitting he hasn't accomplished this at all.

 

[TyrantII]

I was teasing but a lot could be said of the free media effect of a presidential election negating the need to have quite so much money. I don't really like money in politics at any level, and anyone trying to tell you that any human is infallible and unswayable by money really needs to read up on psychology and see how manipulatable humans are (very).

I want a public financing amendment, but as said it'll require a very broad basr of Democrat legislators in both Congress and State legislatures. It's going to be a lot of work.

I'd like to see Bernie lay off the attacks. Politics isn't perfect, but ripping down someone that agrees with you 90% isn't going to fix anything.

Time to switch to further building the movement. The Primary is over for Bernie the nominee, but transitioning to building a coalition is just getting started.

The question is if Bernie can do that.

 

[JABEE]

He's doing nothing for downticket and all he's doing is giving the GOP free attacks on Hilary.

When you run for a party seat you usually want to help the party. He cares more about the BernieBrand and weakening the legs of the party.



Well, when you're running for a party position and aren't representing the party strategy..

He's an independent candidate declaring as a democrat, because the democrats and republican (two private organizations) cabal control the government.

 

[Dirca]

What a trooper. The little Bern that could.

 

[Elandyll]

He's consistently said for the past few months that he was in this until the end.
I think he's doing it out of principle, not out of hatred.

Honestly, if he was in it just for the principle and the "revolution platform", he wouldn't have gotten personal with Hilary and possibly damaging the progressive chances in the general (giving sound bites to the Reps among other things).

I honestly think it's not about him hating Hilary, but that he got much closer to the nom than he expected, got tired of being dissed (equally by Reps, the media and he Hilary campaign), and has then become increasingly bitter.

I hope he is smarter than that, but I now can see him going scorched earth and not encouraging his followers to vote Hilary at the end, saying some BS like "it's up to everyone to make their choice", and "it's up to Ms Clinton to get support", particularly if he fails to influence the convention to the extent he hopes.

 

[Prodigal Son]

He'll go to his grave before admitting he hasn't accomplished this at all.

Bernie Sanders has involved many people who otherwise would not have voted. He has brought in very many first time voters with his platform and has also generated a large amount of support from the under-45 category of voters.

 

[Adaren]

Wouldn't want to make it more difficult for Hillary. It's "her turn."

Presidential elections aren't about rewarding the candidate for campaigning so hard. It's about us. Millions of people whose lives will be affected in a significant way for decades to come depending on whether Trump or Clinton wins in November.

I don't want Hillary to win because it's "her turn". I want her to win because that's what would give me, my friends, my loved ones, my future children, and hundreds of millions of other people (Bernie Sanders included) the best possible life for the next several decades.