SolicitorPirate
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I always love watching all the passionate free expression advocates who only ever seem to show up when anime boobs are involved
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Western Localisation Of Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Features Costume And Age Changes
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And just like you, it's clockwork.
cj_iwakura
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I remember being irked when I revealed that Innocent Sin had removed DLC quests that were story driven, and almost no one gave a damn.
You can take away story and meaningful content, but oh boy you best not touch those clothes. If Maya's heart blouse had been altered? Blood in the streets.
shadow2810
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I'm pretty convinced they played darts to decide which to change or keep.
that's nothing compared to the existential horror of the great fairy laugh with the pointy madonna breasts
None of this FE stuff compares to what OoT can do to a child's psyche
Almond
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Yeah, but isn't she the only character in that game that has that much exposed? And there aren't even that many cutscenes are there? (Never played the game) Plus, her breasts are still covered more than the TMS boss.
Like I said, I think Nintendo has some kind of weird "boob/partial nudity limit". Cia is fine because she's still covered well enough and only in a few scenes, while Tokyo Mirage sessions is full of bikini's, monsters with boobs, and other revealing/suggestive clothing.
I get annoyed by any kind of unnecessary edit's to games, but these changes are the easiest ones to find because I don't know Japanese. I can't tell when plot points or other things like that are changed unless someone else mentions it.
I think Cia is that way because she's evil, and Nintendo's logic is probably 'she's evil, so of course she's try to tantalize you with sins of the flesh.'
SolicitorPirate
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When you actually grow up in an environment of censorship, you tend to get irked when the only time people get angry about it is when their stupid shit is threatened.
So we shouldn't call it out because it isn't giving enough exposure to other things not being called out? Seems kind of counter intuitive, call it like you see it seems to be the best way to combat censorship, if this self censorship even qualifies. We will still make fun of it either way.
SolicitorPirate
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Before I migrated, criticising the powers that be could get your family intimidated and you arrested. And yet brave people still did it. You'll excuse me if I consider them far greater people than angry nerds whose only contribution to free speech is to complain on the Internet when they don't get their cartoon panties.
But hey, don't let me rain on your parade. Whatever I post isn't going to change the fact tons of people are going to write against the crime of covering up anime girls and then congratulate themselves for defending the noble ideal of free expression.
I...don't understand why...
SolicitorPirate
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Wait. Innocent Sin? As in the PS1 game? Did that thing get rereleased with dlc?
It's available on PSP now.
You realize this is a video game forum, right? It's not really the place for people to be making threads about oppressive government censorship in foreign countries and whatnot. You see discussion about videogame censorship here because this is the place to do it. Other stuff can go in the OT. Also, there was quite a bit of a shitstorm when TLoU was censored in Europe, it's not just sexual censorship that people get upset about.
SolicitorPirate
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Oh cool. I should probably get it; never finished that game since I accidentally broke my disc
The hell? The "uncensored" version isn't even bad, it's just a little bit of cleavage. I knew the announced swimsuits and hot spring removal was just some of the things censored in this game. I have a feeling a lot of stuff is, including scenes such as this. It doesn't even look nice in the cut-scene, it's as though she came in-contact with Amaterasu or something. :/
Ehh. They went the whole nine-yards reworking the scenario, at least they didn't just edit the clothes like they did with FFV. I can take that sort of full-on localization change.
But that second edit is hilarious to me. It makes me think of random rays of sunlight.
Pokemaniac
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They're really putting a shockingly large amount of effort into this, all things considered.
Makes me think Nintendo has some weird-ass long-term strategy here but I am still infinitely confused by the attempts to westernize certain elements (this whole dungeon shift feels like a transition of sensibilities) while not dubbing the title.
This is so bizarre.
Balmung421
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I laughed at the smoke, but actually love the new outfit. Fresh as hell
They're going above and beyond for all of the things not required (removal of content, re-dubbing the Japanese VO to increase the age of certain characters) and not in areas where they should to appeal to a large audience(such as providing an English dub for those that really want one).
It's just...a weird situation. Why remove all of the content that fans of Japanese products are likely to enjoy, but not add a dub for those not already interested? Who exactly is this title for?
SolicitorPirate
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Of course. But censorship isn't the only issue effecting video games. It's hardly even a particularly important issue in an industry still grappling with terrible pay, poor work/life balance, the seemingly unsustainable costs of AAA development and the widespread mysoginy and racism, both within the industry and amidst the fanbase. Combine that with how niche games like DOA Extreme are, and it's clear that the amount of controversy is disproportionate.
For what it's worth, I am much more sympathetic towards the controversy regarding TLOU. I never bothered playing that game, but everything I know about tells me that game had cogent ideas about violence and society, and expressed it through the violence in game. Censorship there actively damages the message of the artist. When a lot of anime games get censored, no real message is lost. Unless boobs somehow constitute a message
Ayup, I really don't understand this. You'd think if they reworked the game around this much they'd be able to work around the song issues and dub the game.
SolicitorPirate
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Everything about the way Nintendo is handling this is bizarre. My personal pet theory is that Nintendo, rightly or wrongly, believes that the Western Fire Emblem fanbase is demographically different from the Japanese one and is trying the alter this game accordingly
Its got to be IP related.
What do you expect "angry nerds" to do, invade repressive countries and force them to have better laws?
Maybe you just don't "get" free expression because you came from such a repressive country in the first place. Here's a quote that may have been censored in your textbooks: "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." guess what they did to that dude btw
Elaugaufein
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You're being rather unfair there. There was enough upset there to get an Atlus statement (eventually) and that was despite no one realizing it wasn't coming for months because Atlus had decided that if no one mentioned it, they'd probably get away with it.
Owlowiscious
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DOAE3 JP and Asia versions have no changes that I know of aside a translation.
TLOU first came out in English so comparing the original release to the English release, there aren't any changes since they are the exact same product.
This thread is about the changes made between two territorial versions of a game. Your point of "X isn't the only issue effecting video games" can be used on almost every thread in this forum, not just this one.
For this game in particular, the whole concept revolves around japanese idol culture, and it's a rather controversial part of the japanese entertainment industry. You could say that several aspects of japanese idol culture would be very frowned upon in western countries, thus they should be altered in some way to prevent controversy, but wouldn't that count as damaging the message the artists/game developers are trying to convey for this game?
Just a thought really, but i'm more baffled by the inconsistent changes NOA are pulling off for the games localization. That black smoke...lol
The majority of the time, at least in terms of games censorship, it is suggestive/revealing clothing and/or sexual references that are being removed.
Really, it all comes down to what is viewed as acceptable/suitable in differing cultures for particular age groups. Japan, from what I understand, seems to be harsher on gratuitous violence but more relaxed in regards to sexuality and revealing clothing for younger ages. The USA, however, seems to be the opposite in terms of what is judged acceptable for minors(not necessarily in terms of ratings, but more in terms of public perception).
The other reason for the aforementioned censorship, is due to the stated age of the character/the inferred age based on character appearance(looking at you 1000 year old loli dragons), and societies views on the sexualisation of people of that age/appearance. Now I know this is a contentious topic on GAF, with games being outright banned from discussion due to minor bits of content/artistic direction that leaves people feeling uncomfortable/indignant due to their own cultures perceptions of this content. Now having played some of those games, I myself was uncomfortable with some of the content while some I found hilarious due to the sheer absurdity of it.
In the end, the changes that have been made will be judged by the consumer. Will people accept these changes as right and buy it happily? Will they buy the game grudgingly, not happy with the changes but still wish to play it? Or will people refuse to buy it unhappy with the changes made to try and make a point?
Only time will tell.
I don't know what this game is nor do I want to know but I need to point this out:
I grew up in Pakistan, a place full of horrific censorship and I can assure you that this kind of stuff isn't really any different from what you would consider a "valid" censorship issue. Censorship is censorship, regardless if the topic at hand is what you take seriously or not.
Just putting that out there, I don't really want go into an internet fight.
Trojita
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I did a search for Innocent Sin and its DLC being removed, but there was never a thread made about it.
AcademicSaucer
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It's almost like this was a videogame forum.
Elaugaufein
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It did come up on Gamefaqs. It was a while after release though, took a bit for people to release that a) there was extra DLD stuff in the Midnight Theatre and b) that we weren't getting it.
And yeah I'm one of the ones that usually turns up in these threads because these are the threads where something like a majority of GAF approves of these changes and I don't so I put in my 2 cents. I see little point when a thread about other censorship generally consists of 7 posts of people agreeing that it's terrible.
I'm also more likely to post in threads about suspension of civil liberties in the name of national security or mob justice or guilt by accusation where a fair chunk of GAF agrees with the premise than I am things like marriage equality or religious freedom where I'd just be one more voice in the chorus.
Eolz
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What the...?
This doesn't make any sense! What a big mess. No wonder Arlus and Nintendo will never talk about those changes...
Palculator
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Ridiculous, lmao.
So long as the translation does not affect the character development and the things that make the game actually good, then there is no issue yet.
It is an outstanding RPG and I really would love to discuss the positive things about the game on occasion if people are interested.
Then you miss the entire point of the game's plot and focus being a coming of age story and one that focuses on maturity and development of it's characters. There is only one character over the age of 20 in the party and that's Kiria.
It is an outstanding RPG and I really would love to discuss the positive things about the game on occasion if people are interested.
Then you miss the entire point of the game's plot and focus being a coming of age story and one that focuses on maturity and development of it's characters. There is only one character over the age of 20 in the party and that's Kiria.
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Oh cool, so it's a unique costume. I'm pretty into it, actually, and prefer it to the swimsuit, but I haven't seen the context of the transformation yet so I don't know if it really makes sense.
I like the costume too.
The game has dozens of costumes to choose from and obtain. Much more than your average tales game so there is a costume for almost anyone if there is an outfit you don't really like.
The fan service scenarios are much more tame than your typical RPG as well and plays to the entertainment theme. It's not like Tales or Persona where the scenario has you picking up girls/boys and there isn't a dating aspect at all other than some supports having some characters showing interest in you but not really pursuing further after that.
If the game did go take the darker scandal route, the main character Itsuki would probably be a walking scandal and be a public enemy with how nonchalant he is interacting with his coworkers.
The game has dozens of costumes to choose from and obtain. Much more than your average tales game so there is a costume for almost anyone if there is an outfit you don't really like.
The fan service scenarios are much more tame than your typical RPG as well and plays to the entertainment theme. It's not like Tales or Persona where the scenario has you picking up girls/boys and there isn't a dating aspect at all other than some supports having some characters showing interest in you but not really pursuing further after that.
If the game did go take the darker scandal route, the main character Itsuki would probably be a walking scandal and be a public enemy with how nonchalant he is interacting with his coworkers.
thebisonxrc
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I couldn't care less about these changes. They obviously do not make the gameplay worse, so it's no concern of mine.
I can completely understand why they changed the ages from 17 to 18, though. That looks a heck of a lot better on paper haha. As for the costumes, good riddance. The whole anime-girls-in-bikinis stuff is completely unnecessary.
Looking forward to finally playing the game.
I can completely understand why they changed the ages from 17 to 18, though. That looks a heck of a lot better on paper haha. As for the costumes, good riddance. The whole anime-girls-in-bikinis stuff is completely unnecessary.
Looking forward to finally playing the game.
Orniletter
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Yep.
The Project Zero 5 hobbubb about how changing the mc's lingerie outfit would have this massive negative impact on her chatacter arc turned out to be a bunch of nonsense as well.
This will be the exact same thing.
Edit: And her new outfit that replaced the, sort-of tasteless, bikini thing looks much better.
cj_iwakura
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=446732
And:
Heh:
Like I said, though: no real waves made.
TriForce Hero
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I think NOA was expecting M rate when we all thought that was going to be a darker game e not just a entertainment industry theme.
When they saw that was not going to be the old religious and darker gamer they chose to change.
Now we have to remember that the developers were going to make changes into the game (the Kiria outfit was one of them) however they couldn't because there'll already sent promotion material into the wild. Who knows if the Tsubasa change was not already in the plans...
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About the "censorship", I think the problem is that society still resist to talk about taboos and have a serious discussion about sexuality.
Teens on there 14~17 have sex depending where you live, but that only in the shadows some communities don't accept that and even make it sound like a crime.
Even tho it's common to see 16/17 teens in sexy outfit but, I can see the stigma of using something like this in professional works.
When they saw that was not going to be the old religious and darker gamer they chose to change.
Now we have to remember that the developers were going to make changes into the game (the Kiria outfit was one of them) however they couldn't because there'll already sent promotion material into the wild. Who knows if the Tsubasa change was not already in the plans...
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About the "censorship", I think the problem is that society still resist to talk about taboos and have a serious discussion about sexuality.
Teens on there 14~17 have sex depending where you live, but that only in the shadows some communities don't accept that and even make it sound like a crime.
Even tho it's common to see 16/17 teens in sexy outfit but, I can see the stigma of using something like this in professional works.
I like my virtual honkers
Eolz
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For PZ5, the removal of the bikini actually lessened the impact of that scene though.
I didn't mind that it was removed as an optional costume though, but should have stayed in the story.
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