Do you believe that the PS4K will contain a UHD Blu-ray drive?
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GameAddict411
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It would be really stupid not to include the drive.
A slimline Samsung SN-506BB in the consumer market is only 50, the only thing that might increase the price of the PS4K is the licensing and patent costs related to UHD media and the codes.
It would be stupid not to include one, if they would already be including the decoding and output support of UHD for streaming.
BigTnaples
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It better.
Lil'DigiOp
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Either its the best UHD Bluray player on the market, or its a pointless upgrade.
My purchase depends on this feature.
My purchase depends on this feature.
DeepEnigma
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Yep & the old Sony would even give us this
In context, that was before they were able to get a hardened layer, since early BD prototypes were just as scratchy as CD/DVD's but would be worse off since the laser frequency would have more issues with scratches than that of CD/DVD.
I really do hope it has an UHD player, even though I'll most not likely buy any since I'm trying to minimize physical now.
What would be amazing is if it had a 1GB hybrid drive but that's not going to happen.
Marty Chinn
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That will be my reaction if it doesn't have a UHD compatible drive in it.
outunderthestars
Banned
I would bet on it having one.
The Elite
BOSS
The Xbox One Elite has a 1gb hybrid drive. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony did the same. Either that or 2gbs.
family_guy
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Well it will play UHD Bluray, but certainly won't be the best. The PS4 Bluray app is kind of crap. They would need to overhaul it. Not to mention add back in the plethora of audio options the PS3 had.
Vanillalite
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I bet on it having one.
I'm just not sure how many people will care beyond a niche tech gadget consumer.
I'm just not sure how many people will care beyond a niche tech gadget consumer.
Voost Kain
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Likely, though my biggest question is why do they think this is going to puck 4k adoption at all?
Marty Chinn
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Whoa, I didn't know they were talking about PSP compatibility!
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I won't be buying one at launch if there isn't.
lol @ people saying "it better"
at the end of the day they could treat this as a slim revision with extra juice behind to entice people and still be likely successful. i do feel like the OP in saying that the UHD players aren't cheap and with Sony adding in extra power it may not be feasible for them to include it at around the 399 price point. i guess they could go for the 499 price point but that would be a bit more tricky. maybe only allow for 4k streaming this go around and include one for the next iteration (ps5)?
at the end of the day they could treat this as a slim revision with extra juice behind to entice people and still be likely successful. i do feel like the OP in saying that the UHD players aren't cheap and with Sony adding in extra power it may not be feasible for them to include it at around the 399 price point. i guess they could go for the 499 price point but that would be a bit more tricky. maybe only allow for 4k streaming this go around and include one for the next iteration (ps5)?
JimJamJones
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No, I do not believe that the company pushing UHD more than anyone would put a UHD Blu-Ray drive in one of their biggest selling products.
Damn...you took my 15 minutes of fame. I was gonna post:
............it already has one...........
Without a doubt.
It'd be extremely stupid not to. And unlike what some people seem to believe, it doesn't cost much extra over a normal bluray drive to put in.
The inflated costs you see for standalone players is because of the extra processing power/components companies needed to put in to support it (which the ps4 already had) + price gouging enthusiasts.
It'd be extremely stupid not to. And unlike what some people seem to believe, it doesn't cost much extra over a normal bluray drive to put in.
The inflated costs you see for standalone players is because of the extra processing power/components companies needed to put in to support it (which the ps4 already had) + price gouging enthusiasts.
A UHD Blu-ray drive would be backwards compatible with regular blu-rays and PS4 games so it would make sense. the question though is what if the PS4 already has a UHD capable drive.
I mean i've done some research and in that research it points to a possibility that the PS4 drive could be capable "in theory"
I mean i've done some research and in that research it points to a possibility that the PS4 drive could be capable "in theory"
Yautja_Warrior
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It would be stupid not too really. With Sony pushing 4k UHD TV's but not releasing a UHD blu-ray, I'm hoping they are going to push the Neo as a UHD player, like they did with DVD on PlayStation 2.
Fallout-with-swords
Banned
They would be crazy not too. I feel like it was the catalyst for the Neo even existing.
El_Cinefilo
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Exactly, I know PS4K isn't the final name but to have a new 4k console that can't play 4k blu rays AND isn't going to output native 4k games would be embarrassing. It needs to do at least one,and it sure isn't going to be the games.
Digital-Hero
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Not according to the FCC for broadcast. I believe it will be 720p for a long time, correct me if I'm wrong.
rahulkadukar
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Not really a great way to generalize. 4K is on more people's radar then you think.
Robot Pants
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of course it will
rahulkadukar
Member
Then your research is incorrect, UHD requires HDCP 2.2 to playback and HDMI 2.0 to send the signal. PS4 does not have HDCP 2.2 so it cannot play back UHD BR.
Markitron
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Dude you shouldn't say things like that, it will summon Jeff Rigby.
It'll contain UHD support if it's trivial and inexpensive to support the format, e..g if the difference is some minor firmware changes, and a modified laser head in the drive. Something amounting to a dollar's worth of change at most.
If its like SACD where actual, expensive circuitry is necessary for a potentially niche format then no it won't.
Sony definitely want to promote 4K so there is the incentive for them to include UHD but they won't do it if the cost exceeds any potential earnings.
If its like SACD where actual, expensive circuitry is necessary for a potentially niche format then no it won't.
Sony definitely want to promote 4K so there is the incentive for them to include UHD but they won't do it if the cost exceeds any potential earnings.
720p/1080i some 1080p most stations we send stuff to is 1080 of some flavor.
Your reading is inaccurate. i said the drive in the PS4.
edit: HDCP 2.2 seems to be a complete overhaul so firmware upgrading is extremely unlikely
Sony's support and promotion of 4K is terribly disjointed.
Ninja Scooter
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I hope not.
jeff_rigby
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This one is part of an exchange with the EU board regulating power use by consumer products. The first page has a link to another paper and mentions the XB1 and PS4 as UHD Capable Game Consoles. The link takes you to a Letter from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo stating that UHD Game Consoles shipped in 2013 and will be firmware updated in 2016.
The movie industry has some requirements for UHD Capable which include root of trust boot and HDCP 2.2, AACS 2, BD+, Player and Codec all running in what amounts to a TEE. HDCP 2.2 crypto routines and encrypting of Media takes place in the TEE and HDCP2.2 is mapped to the Custom Panasonic HDMI chip in the PS4 through IC2 (two line serial buss connection between CPU controlled chips).
HDCP 2.0 was developed in 2008 but primarily used for WiFi and DTCP-IP type DRM. HDCP 2.1 was found to be vulnerable and 4K media needed a secure DRM for Lan, WiFI and HDMI which became HDCP 2.2 in 2012 used for Miracast and other streaming DRM and HDCP 2.2 was mapped to HDMI in 2013 using the same pins, voltages and with backward support for HDMI 1 and it's HDCP scheme. As is usually the case, HDCP 2.2 for HDMI builds on HDCP 1 for HDMI 1 and a company like Panasonic could build a custom chip that could support HDMI 2 with the HDCP 2.2 crypto routines and encryption of the media in the Media TEE. So the HDCP 2.2 negotiation and mapping from the TEE to the HDMI 2 chip is the missing piece that occurred in 2013.
HDMI 2 has a feature called Multi-view where the video is HDCP 2.2 encrypted and sent over the Lan to a TV which shows up on the Source/Input as a HDMI port but it's really a DTCP-IP like DRM which to make it simple for the customer is labeled HDMI, same for RVU, DLNA and Vidipath on the Source/input Menu.
UHD Capable means HEVC and HDMI 2 with HDCP 2 taking place in the TEE as well as a HTML5 browser with WebTV W3C extensions.
There is no such thing as a UHD drive. A UHD Disk can be a 3 layer blu-ray version 2 disk that has the 2010 Panasonic - Sony tweak to increase storage per layer from 25 to 33 GB which Sony said in 2010 only needed a firmware update to the drive. All blu-ray drives can read 3 or more layers, it's the disk that is special not the drive. This is in the BDA papers and the Mount Fuji book differences between book 8 and 9 which deal mostly with the Tweak and firmware differences in BD+ and AACS 2 to support UHD blu-ray.
The hardware differences between the PS3 and PS4 as it relates to supported features. Bold is what makes the PS4 UHD Capable:
USB2 vs USB3
480P Camera vs 720P Stereo (PS3 USB2 limits the camera)
HDMI 1.4 ( HDCP in the HDMI Chip) vs HDMI 2 (HDCP in the TEE)
Hypervisor vs Trustzone TEE Both have embedded data as DRM KEYs with ARM trustzone having multiple keys allowing the use of a different keys if one is discovered.
Traditional boot VS Root of Trust boot using the TEE
Playready Porting kit 2.5 vs Playready Porting kit 3
PS3 with very limited power mode control
PS4 Totally separate OS and Trustzone TEE using ARM for all MEDIA with power modes allowing the APU to be turned off and GDDR5 in self refresh for full screen video.
The PS3 can support 4K @ 24 FPS as long as it's not media that requires DRM.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Not if ALL PS4 consoles are firmware upgraded to support UHD Blu-ray. Combine Launch PS4 is UHD Capable with this: Edit: This combined with Sony stating that all games have to be compatible which means that the Game disk must be compatible and is what you are saying means that all PS4 consoles can support UHD Disks or there can't be a Ultra HD BD-ROM game disk.
In the same site you can find that Sony has a UHD Blu-ray Enbedded licence that mentions Game Consoles and Sony has a Licence for a UHD Blu-ray PC application.https://www.blu-raydisc.info/content-protection/content-protection-rom4.php said: