Heimdall_Xtreme
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In fact, it must return, otherwise its copyright will expire.
Do you think we will see a new Star Fox on the Switch 2? If so, what do you want from it?
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Sebastian1295
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Great post man and I do appreciate a thoughtful response like this. I had a gamecube growing up but never had the chance to play Rogue Squadron II Rogue Leader or Ace Combat 5 sadly. I know they're both excellent games so next time i'm at my local place i'll have to see if the owner has them in stock 'he sells games from alot of the old consoles including atari jaguar etc lol'.
I do agree that they strayed away from what starfox originally was and they kept trying to innovate with it in ways that didn't make much sense. I also feel like the IP itself hasn't been given the same priority ala F-zero etc and they didn't give the series to the right guys when making it as it went along. They focused too much on gimmicks instead of just refining the series and it led to it's downfall. Hopefully they bring it back one day though because the IP has alot of untapped potential.
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SomeNorseGuy
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I'd be down for some tounge-in-cheek, furry epic space opera shenanigans. With some light flight combat sim elements. Off the rails in all aspects.
A man can dream.
A man can dream.
LordOcidax
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Yes, 100% we are going to see a new Star Fox game for Switch 2. And probably by next year.
Hyet
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I think the potential of the Starfox franchise is greatly overblown.
It had a good chance when they picked Platinum to make a new entry but then Miyamoto decided it should take advantage of the WiiU's catastrophic interface instead of the developer and franchise strengths.
At this point, Starfox is a relic of the past with at least as many misses as hits. People who want it back are late millenials that remember it being much better than it actually is.
I much rather have Nintendo develop the Kid Icarus franchise as revived by Sakurai. That template offers as good as Starfox on-rail segments but also has the extra deph of werapons and on-the ground gameplay. Scenarios and characters have all also greater potential.
It had a good chance when they picked Platinum to make a new entry but then Miyamoto decided it should take advantage of the WiiU's catastrophic interface instead of the developer and franchise strengths.
At this point, Starfox is a relic of the past with at least as many misses as hits. People who want it back are late millenials that remember it being much better than it actually is.
I much rather have Nintendo develop the Kid Icarus franchise as revived by Sakurai. That template offers as good as Starfox on-rail segments but also has the extra deph of werapons and on-the ground gameplay. Scenarios and characters have all also greater potential.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Part of me would say that sort of game is out of fashion. Part of me would say that Nintendo fans seem to be quite happy to buy most first party games irrespective of the title.
So...
Maybe?
I can't imagine something that plays like the original games being massively successful though - those games come from a time where games were about replayability. They'd have to create 8+ hours of levels now. I'm not sure if that's all that interesting.
So...
Maybe?
I can't imagine something that plays like the original games being massively successful though - those games come from a time where games were about replayability. They'd have to create 8+ hours of levels now. I'm not sure if that's all that interesting.
BlackTron
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This is the entire problem. I have immense love and nostalgia for StarFox. I probably would have paid $100 for a simple graphical update/modern remake of SF64. Kind of like what 64 was to the SNES game. But they just can't bring themselves to make a SF game without some crazy new feature. So I didn't buy Zero at all despite that I'm one of those people still thinking about the IP.
It blows my mind that a new version of this game is exactly what I want, they bothered to make it, and I only played it once.
This would be easy if they would think about what kind of content to add instead of finding a "new way to play" the same thing we already had which comes off as creative bankruptcy masquerading as innovation. Just make a BETTER RAIL SHOOTER.
My off the cuff idea to subvert expectations by making it cooler instead of worse: add more Great Fox. During a level you can call down help from Great Fox with bombs or strikes, but you only save them up by finding resources or counting kills that only become usable in the next mission. If you lose a teammate, the Great Fox is "busy" repairing the ship/s and can't help, or is hampered by how many teammates are in the hanger. You get to control it between missions flying between planets, which could be like the Asteroid Field bonus level, where you use up some of those call-downs in real time to help with kills, or save them up. You think these "bonus levels" are the only place the game lets you control the mothership, until the second-to-last level gives you a turn controlling all 4 pilots fulfilling an important role breaking a blockade, culminating in piloting Great Fox itself as the fifth sequence for the final punch through, as R.O.B. It succeeds just enough for Fox to slip past the blockade and then crashes, leaving him isolated from the team with no communication for the final mission. I barely finished my coffee yet, this is free Nintendo
Radical_3d
Member
No land missions. No helicopter. FFS hire someone that knows how to translate the wing to a modern design language, preferably with some space animation references.
Cherry on top? Celshading like this.
More classic SNES missions than open area missions 75-25.
Cherry on top? Celshading like this.
More classic SNES missions than open area missions 75-25.
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
I think it needs to move beyond an on-rails shooter. I understand that will upset purists. I don't like the trend for everything being open world but with Mario Kart World existing and DK Bananza having pretty open environments and the success of BOTW formula Zelda (I don't love those Zelda games, I prefer classic 3D Zelda), I am open to seeing an open world/open zone approach to Star Fox.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Make it a AA arcade shooter with high scores, different paths, interesting missions, and a few secrets.
No all-range shit. No story, no Star Wolf, no daddy issues, no scantily-clad blue-furred animal ladies. Andross is back, he's the big baddie from the beginning, his lair is on Venom. Go and kick his ass.
And for the love of God, don't even think about even a single on-foot section. What's in the Arwings stays in the Arwings.
No all-range shit. No story, no Star Wolf, no daddy issues, no scantily-clad blue-furred animal ladies. Andross is back, he's the big baddie from the beginning, his lair is on Venom. Go and kick his ass.
And for the love of God, don't even think about even a single on-foot section. What's in the Arwings stays in the Arwings.
RomanceDawn
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When it comes to Star Fox in comparison to Rogue Leader or Ace Combat, it's the maneuverability that sets Star Fox apart from the others. For my tastes the over the top movement is far more compelling and probably resonates more with Nintendo gamers in general or just any Star Fox fan period. The ships in Ace or Rogue Leader don't move as satisfyingly easy as Arwings do simply because they are attempting more realistic flight physics. Which of course depending on the game, that may be the better option. For Star Fox though, the quick and snappy acrobatics that the Arwing can perform allow for those over the top arcade like experiences even if you aren't gunning for a high score.
Barrel rolls, u-turns and summersaults are your basic long jump, flip jump and triple jump. This type of movement needs to be preserved and expanded upon. Doesn't matter the mission structure, being able to move the ships super freely is going to be the first step to greatness.
With this movement the mission structure can take every form known to man and at least 3 known to monkeys. Star Fox can continue to have arcady on rails sections easily but coupled with a more open mission structure as well. I will get into that later but it's not impossible.
Most of all there has got to be multiplayer. There is so much potential for Star Fox's multiplayer to blow the eF up and be something as engaging as Mario Kart, Splatoon or Smash. This is the part that can't be ignored. Get the multiplayer right with 20+ machines in the air or on the ground at the same time and I think the spectacle alone would sell people.
I love Miyamoto but I'm glad he's a little further away from active development these days. If there is no insistence on the usage of odd controllers or control schemes there is more of a chance for the IP to succeed.
Barrel rolls, u-turns and summersaults are your basic long jump, flip jump and triple jump. This type of movement needs to be preserved and expanded upon. Doesn't matter the mission structure, being able to move the ships super freely is going to be the first step to greatness.
With this movement the mission structure can take every form known to man and at least 3 known to monkeys. Star Fox can continue to have arcady on rails sections easily but coupled with a more open mission structure as well. I will get into that later but it's not impossible.
Most of all there has got to be multiplayer. There is so much potential for Star Fox's multiplayer to blow the eF up and be something as engaging as Mario Kart, Splatoon or Smash. This is the part that can't be ignored. Get the multiplayer right with 20+ machines in the air or on the ground at the same time and I think the spectacle alone would sell people.
I love Miyamoto but I'm glad he's a little further away from active development these days. If there is no insistence on the usage of odd controllers or control schemes there is more of a chance for the IP to succeed.
Midway-AGNC-
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Open-world mechanics could actually work really well. Star Fox 2 already had a very primitive, embryonic attempt at letting players explore a galaxy while completing missions. They could expand on that idea by combining the classic on-rails formula with open galaxy exploration and mission-based progression featuring multiple branching paths — something the Star Fox series is already known for. There's a lot of potential there. And yeah, I completely agree about skipping ground missions — Star Fox is a flight game, and it should stay that way. But keeping it as just a "Star Fox 64 1.5" without any major evolution in gameplay would make it short-lived and quickly repetitive.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
star fox 64 3ds is an underrated gem.
BlackTron
Member
It suffers from the same issue as OOT 3D. I'm happy there is a portable version, but it doesn't "count". I wish the N64 renaissance had happened on Switch instead so you could dock it. Instead all we have is emulated N64 games with mostly bad controls unless you buy a new gamepad. I prefer these games on original hardware and CRT to a 3DS
LordOcidax
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A Star Fox game with that art style could be amazingNo land missions. No helicopter. FFS hire someone that knows how to translate the wing to a modern design language, preferably with some space animation references.
Cherry on top? Celshading like this.
More classic SNES missions than open area missions 75-25.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Not that I'm dying for a sequel, but I sure fucking hope we get Star Fox Adventure on the Switch 2's GameCube app.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I still want Star Fox Adventures 2
hououinkyouma00
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Hopefully not.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I have no idea what team they would hand it off to.
Fake
Member
Yes.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
They pawned the series off after SFA. Even that was a "real" SF game.
That's not really trying in my book. That's like me telling my wife that I tried to get the taxes done, but gave the task to my teenage daughter.
wvnative
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what problem is thatIt suffers from the same issue as OOT 3D. I'm happy there is a portable version, but it doesn't "count". I wish the N64 renaissance had happened on Switch instead so you could dock it. Instead all we have is emulated N64 games with mostly bad controls unless you buy a new gamepad. I prefer these games on original hardware and CRT to a 3DS
Boy bawang
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If it ever happens, I'm hoping for something more like Rogue Squadron than on rails, and with very large scale battles
BlackTron
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Early N64 titles: beloved console games from my youth that made a big deal of the new control stick
3DS: Play these games on a rectangular slab with a small screen and circle pad
Even if I liked the graphical changes (not really) I'd still prefer the N64 with a TV.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Speaking of Starlink, anyone have it for the Switch 2? How's performance? I'll have to check into it as well. IMO, that one would be a great candidate for a proper Switch 2 upgrade. I wonder if Ubi would bother though?
BigBeauford
Gold Member
Give us a modern N64 campaign, with a multiplayer mode that plays similar to Star Wars Squadrons.
Mr Hyde
Gold Member
I haven´t had time to check it out on Switch 2 yet. I doubt Ubi is gonna bother with it for an upgrade. The game flopped hard. Nintendo version was the most successful though thanks to Star Fox addition so maybe Ubi and Nintendo can work something out in the future.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I still have my Arwing/Fox on display.
DreamcastSkies
Gold Member
It is a sorely underutilized IP.
AREYOUOKAY?
Member
They remade the best game on the 3DS.
They had a nice section in Bayonetta 2 that controlled nice. All they had to do was build off that.
Instead they threw it all away for awful controlling and unfun gimmicks instead.
They had a nice section in Bayonetta 2 that controlled nice. All they had to do was build off that.
Instead they threw it all away for awful controlling and unfun gimmicks instead.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Starfox meets squid kids from Splatoon. Basically turn it into Fortnite.
BlackTron
Member
That was the only reason to buy that Ubislop. I still have mine on display as well.
jzbadblood
Member
Star Fox Zero was good except for the gimmick controls. All they have to do is make another one like that.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I'd love a Star Fox built around the Ace Combat game loop. Story, modify your ship, play your level, story, modify your ship, play your level, and so on.
digoutyoursoul
Member
The 2021 game Chorus i really enjoyed, it has its issues but I would love a Star Fox game like that, visually I thought it was cool too.
RomanceDawn
Member
This image is from the recent earnings report. Each one of the franchises here are doing well to absolutely thriving aside from one.
This tells me that Star Fox has not been forgotten or forsaken. They are doing something with it, let's just pray it's fairly sensible.
There are so many interviews out there, anyone know why that with the start of Assault, Nintendo didn't want to make a traditional Star Fox in-house?
I understand what went on with Adventures/Dinosaur Planet but why did Nintendo feel that internally they didn't need or want to make Star Fox 64's sequel?
