How is a trade war with China, being left on trade?
New Quinnipiac Polls: Hillary leads Trump by 1 in FL, PA. Trump leads by 4 in OH
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How is a trade war with China, being left on trade?
Box of Kittens
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Don't overreact to any one poll. Especially one with some pretty questionable looking demographics from a pollster who has performed poorly this cycle. Throw it in the pile and look at aggregates.
'Cause they took our JERBS MAN!
No
I'm ok with not having an iPhone or Nike shoes. I don't think we should have unfettered trade with them anymore.
But you believe that Donald Trump doesn't actually believe what he's saying now because reasons.
Republic of Ezo
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Yes, he's so liberal that he's for excluding 1.2 billion people from being allowed to enter the US on the basis of religion.
You people really make me sick, you know that?
HillaryGAF right now:
Quinnipiac poll is doing something seriously out of whack this election season. They are consistently an outlier, compare to last elections
Said increasingly nervous man.
So you're basically voting on assuming each candidate is actually going to to do the exact opposite of what they're campaigning on. Great plan!
DontBeThatGuy
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I don't think anyone has ever pandered harder in a campaign than Trump nor has anyone attempted to flip-flop as much, and sometimes in the matter of days! I'm not sure if there's ever been a candidate more full of shit.... or you know, a bigger birther.
You don't truly know where he stands on anything, but we do know what he has proposed in order to get the support he's gotten and those proposals are the equivalent of dumpster fire.
I don't believe what either of them are saying, because they are politicians
Bush: 'No new taxes' - we got new taxes
Obama: 'Change' - nothing changed
It checks out.
Sad person who's been watching their screens throughout the cycle and also the bevy national of polling that we've gotten in the past week or so since Trump clinched the nomination?
Trump has historically considered himself as conservative or Republican more than he ever has as liberal.
People are giving too much credit to this supposedly liberal Trump hiding beneath the surface. Let's look at abortion as one issue. In the past Trump said he was pro-choice, but that he hated the concept of abortion at all. Now, he's saying he's pro-life and opposes abortion in all but a few instances. He must have flipped just to attract the evangelicals and social conservatives? No! Because by all accounts he really does believe this now; friends and people close to him have said he changed his mind on abortion after his last child was born.
TheLostBigBoss
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hammysaurusrex
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"I don't trust Hillary, because I have no know way of knowing if she'll be consistent with her liberal policies she's been doing for the past 20-30 years"
"I don't trust Trump, but I know he'll change his position and do the right thing when the time comes and be more progressive"
"Btw, don't you dare even suggest that maybe institutional sexism plays a roll in the formation of my profound political opinion!"
"I don't trust Trump, but I know he'll change his position and do the right thing when the time comes and be more progressive"
"Btw, don't you dare even suggest that maybe institutional sexism plays a roll in the formation of my profound political opinion!"
Orbis Tabula
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"Look guys, it's simple. I believe all the best things I possibly can about the rich white man, and I believe all the worst things I possibly can about the rich white woman. Sure, Trump lies and Hillary lies. But I'm going to arbitrarily assume that Trump's lying because he's secretly awesome, and Clinton's lying because she secretly terrible. What's wrong about that?"
It really is mind-boggling
I literally cannot understand this line of thinking.
"Trump is better on trade, except for that tariff war with China that he wants to get us in!"
Orbis Tabula
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Sorry, did I seem nervous? I've been rooting for Trump all primary and I might still be a little scared that Cruz somehow pulls it off. It's just too good to be true, you know!?
While I want the democrats to win over Trump no matter the cost or the candidate, I guess the one up-side to Trump winning will be watching all the annoyingly militant Hillary worshipers meltdown and agonize over backing the wrong candidate for this particular election.
That said, yes, I still would prefer Clinton to Trump a million times over.
That said, yes, I still would prefer Clinton to Trump a million times over.
This is demonstrably false. And I say that as a living, breathing person whose life was significantly improved in three specific ways that are directly related to Obama.
If you think nothing has changed, you must have been tuned out for the last 8 years.
TheLostBigBoss
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No man, Trump is finally going to take Pennsylvania for the republicans, this is the year, it's in play!!!!
Being pro-life and wanting to ban abortion are two separate things.
'Don't like abortions, don't get one'. Has he actually said he would look for justices that would ban abortion?
Hasphat'sAnts
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For those of you that's in the "Hillary is bought and paid for" camp.
Please just look at Hillary's record, and then look at Trump's lack thereof. Which one are you going to believe?
Please just look at Hillary's record, and then look at Trump's lack thereof. Which one are you going to believe?
balladofwindfishes
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No he doesn't. Even with Quin's crazy assumption that the white vote will increase several points, he's still losing 2/3 of these states.
He needs to win all three to even have a chance.
So even with a poor poll with poor methods biased towards his demographic, it still shows him losing the election.
Yes. The judges he's put out as his types of SCOTUS picks are two of the most anti-abortion federal judges on the circuit.
TheLostBigBoss
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If you're thinking of supporting a candidate who you literally have no idea what positions he will take in office, then maybe that might just be a major red flag.
Just sayin'
Just sayin'
Republic of Ezo
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Most prominent birther in the country (thereby trying to delegitimize the country's first black president) and has been sued for housing discrimination = racist against blacks.
Calls Mexican immigrants rapists and says that Latino illegal immigrants are responsible for the rise in violent crime in the US = racist against Latinos.
For banning 1.2 billion people from entering the US on the basis of religion = racist against Muslims
If you support Trump, you are literally supporting racism. Period.
bearythebear
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I can see the favorability ratings change quite a bit once the debates start
Orbis Tabula
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Jesus fucking Christ. A poll from a pollster who regularly oversamples Trump voters says that Trump will only barely lose, instead of devastatingly lose, and the narrative is "Dems in Disarray! Hillary stans shook!" How does this even make any goddamn sense?
If you guys don't want to look at poll crosstabs, then go ahead and just use all the latest polls blindly and put then in an electoral college map. I'll wait.
If you guys don't want to look at poll crosstabs, then go ahead and just use all the latest polls blindly and put then in an electoral college map. I'll wait.
Punchy4486
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So you are voting on your faith in Donald Trump's basic HUMANITY? And THIS seems like a good plan to you? To trust that he's actually a good person? Donald Trump?!
The man behind defrauding thousands with Trump University? The man whose ex-wife claimed he raped her? The man who consistently states misogynistic and racist beliefs and has a history of racist and misogynistic policies? Who throws lawsuits around like party favors? Who blackmails US Presidents with charitable donations and then doesn't make those donations? Who is ultra-sensitive over his manhood and the size of his hands? Who has screwed over so many business partners? Who has manipulated the US Bankruptcy laws at the expensive of hundreds of thousands of the less fortunate? Who is linked to organized crime? Who is in the WWE Hall of Fame and fired Kevin Jonas on Celebrity Apprentice?!
Hillary is the only one with a record to look at.
Her record fails on the issues I care about. Whether those are big issues to most people, is another story. It is my personal decision on who to vote for.
He is pro-life and wants to ban abortions in all cases but rape, incest, and threat to the mother.
And no, they aren't separate things. You can be pro-choice and dislike abortion. You cannot be pro-life and be okay with abortion as a practice. The pro-life platform is defined by an opposition to abortion.
PeskyToaster
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The Democratic party should be thanking their stars that the GOP is a dumpster fire right now because Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate.
He has literally said that women who get abortions should be punished. He said that. Literally. No fucking joke.
Hillary needs her feet held to the fire before the election. Democrats need to pressure her to be more liberal or it isn't going to happen
Orbis Tabula
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I love how these threads always end on "quit telling me how to vote! I can vote for whoever I want!" As if that was the actual argument that was going on. But, I can't say I'd be shocked to see a Trump supporter with low reading comprehension.
TheLostBigBoss
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Clinton is probably one of the best candidates in recent years, GOP has been scared to death of her for a while now.
Not to say she has obvious weaknesses and flaws, but to say she's simply a bad candidate is wrong.
Hillary is already quite liberal and Trump is certainly not more liberal than her.
Macho Madness
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Have you seen anything that stress tests the required % turnout by race for the swing states for a Trump win? I'd be really curious to see this.
DontBeThatGuy
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What issues are these exactly, particularly these pressing issues that are somehow allowing you to overlook the absolute farce that is the Trump campaign, and if you can't defend your position then why even bother posting in the first place,
Re-read my first post
Republic of Ezo
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And the way to hold her feet to the fire is to support racism if you don't get what you want. Jesus.
What political issue is so important to you besides trade? And mind you, TPP is getting passed in the lame duck session so no presidential candidate is going to have an effect on that.
'Trump is to the left on trade'
You still haven't answered by question. How is a trade war, a leftish position.
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