New Quinnipiac Polls: Hillary leads Trump by 1 in FL, PA. Trump leads by 4 in OH

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inner-G said:
Hillary needs her feet held to the fire before the election. Democrats need to pressure her to be more liberal or it isn't going to happen
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If the issues you care about are trade and weed, she's already said that she wants to reclassify marijuana, which would be extremely important to states that legalize marijuana. Trump has said no such thing.

Hillary's platform (and history) is far more progressive by any standard compared to Trump's. That's not to say she hasn't had missteps, but to even argue that Trump is "to the left of Hillary" on economic issues flies in the face of logic and history. And, their platforms that they're running on.
 
inner-G said:
Hillary is the only one with a record to look at.

Her record fails on the issues I care about. Whether those are big issues to most people, is another story. It is my personal decision on who to vote for.
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So you're voting for him based on the campaign he's running, but you're also saying he's lying about that exact campaign. Got it...

Also Trump has long record in business, as well some questionable stances when it comes to race. Central park incident five being one of them.
 
Doc Holliday said:
So you're voting for him based on the campaign he's running, but you're also saying he's lying about that exact campaign. Got it...
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When did I say I would vote for him?

I said Hillary's positions were making me "think again" if you read my post.

Blader said:
DONALD TRUMP IS A WEALTHY BUSINESSMAN WHO ADMITS TO BUYING POLITICIANS FOR FAVORS.
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HILLARY CLINTON IS A WEALTHY POLITICIAN WHO BUSINESSMEN BUY FAVORS FROM.

There is no 'good' option
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
Clinton is probably one of the best candidates in recent years, GOP has been scared to death of her for a while now.

Not to say she has obvious weaknesses and flaws, but to say she's simply a bad candidate is wrong.
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She's not a good candidate because the GOP has been trying to do everything imaginable to stifle and discredit her for decades, with absolute fucking malice.

It's amazing that people that actually call themselves liberals are so willing to let them win in that regard, even if they're ultimately gonna lose.
 
Armaros said:
'Trump is to the left on trade'

You still haven't answered by question. How is a trade war, a leftish position.
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Exactly. Instead of arguing over whether a position is left or right, defend your damn position. What about high tariffs with China and higher tariffs across the Pacific region makes that more compelling than the alternative? And what about that is so important that it's worth supporting a racist who will create the largest blanket ban on any immigrant group in American history (which, incidentally, will only strengthen the jihadist nut jobs that the bill is purporting to stop)?
 
Hillary has been hunted by the right for decades because of a seething hatred in their hearts for what the Clintons did for Democrats - they brought back liberalism to the party after a long hiatus in the 1970 and 80s.

Now we have a bunch of 20-somethings explaining how Hillary has really been a Republican in disguise this whole time because of pet_progressive_issue_#476 doesn't pass the purity test.

There's a reason the narrative simply isn't getting taken seriously by everyone.
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
Clinton is probably one of the best candidates in recent years, GOP has been scared to death of her for a while now.

Not to say she has obvious weaknesses and flaws, but to say she's simply a bad candidate is wrong.
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On paper maybe. She's smart and experienced. But anecdotally I think people feel she has a lot of baggage, especially in an election with a strong anti-establishment current running through both parties. I don't think people perceive her to be very trustworthy.
 
EskimoJoe said:
I love how these threads always end on "quit telling me how to vote! I can vote for whoever I want!" As if that was the actual argument that was going on. But, I can't say I'd be shocked to see a Trump supporter with low reading comprehension.
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I'm by no means a Trump supporter, nor do I particularly care for Hillary, but between you and ivysaur antagonizing anyone who speaks up in opposition of the Dem's darling candidate, that is how these threads usually go. You just wrote in your post that Trump supporters might have low reading comprehension. That doesn't sound like attacking one's policy, but instead, their character. Maybe you should take a step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
 
DontBeThatGuy said:
She's not a good candidate because the GOP has been trying to do everything imaginable to stifle and discredit her for decades, with absolute fucking malice.

It's amazing that people that actually call themselves liberals are so willing to let them win in that regard, even if they're ultimately gonna lose.
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Wait, but that's what makes her a good candidate. Two + decades of pure trash that has been thrown at her and basically nothing has brought her down and from the start she has been the presumptive front runner for this election, and still is six months out from voting day.

That's a pretty good candidate to me.
 
inner-G said:
When did I say I would vote for him?

I said Hillary's positions were making me "think again" if you read my post.


HILLARY CLINTON IS A WEALTHY POLITICIAN WHO BUSINESSMEN BUY FAVORS FROM.

There is no 'good' option
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There is clearly a better option. And that option is not supporting the egocentric racist who quotes Mussolini.
 
Patroklos said:
I'm by no means a Trump supporter, nor do I particularly care for Hillary, but between you and ivysaur antagonizing anyone who speaks up in opposition of the Dem's darling candidate, that is how these threads usually go. You just wrote in your post that Trump supporters might have low reading comprehension. That doesn't sound like attacking one's policy, but instead, their character. Maybe you should take a step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
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Please, tell me where I'm antagonizing anyone in this thread. I'll wait.
 
Patroklos said:
I'm by no means a Trump supporter, nor do I particularly care for Hillary, but between you and ivysaur antagonizing anyone who speaks up in opposition of the Dem's darling candidate, that is how these threads usually go. You just wrote in your post that Trump supporters might have low reading comprehension. That doesn't sound like attacking one's policy, but instead, their character. Maybe you should take a step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
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You're right. I was literally just telling that to myself. I'm getting too worked up and its probably not worth the stress. Sorry about that, and sorry to anyone I insulted.
 
inner-G said:
When did I say I would vote for him?

I said Hillary's positions were making me "think again" if you read my post.


HILLARY CLINTON IS A WEALTHY POLITICIAN WHO BUSINESSMEN BUY FAVORS FROM.

There is no 'good' option
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I stand corrected, but your reasoning still doesn't make sense to me.
 
inner-G said:
When did I say I would vote for him?

I said Hillary's positions were making me "think again" if you read my post.


HILLARY CLINTON IS A WEALTHY POLITICIAN WHO BUSINESSMEN BUY FAVORS FROM.

There is no 'good' option
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Can you show me where Clinton has been bought out and influenced by those businessmen?

Like, two solid concrete examples would make me happy.
 
Patroklos said:
I'm by no means a Trump supporter, nor do I particularly care for Hillary, but between you and ivysaur antagonizing anyone who speaks up in opposition of the Dem's darling candidate, that is how these threads usually go. You just wrote in your post that Trump supporters might have low reading comprehension. That doesn't sound like attacking one's policy, but instead, their character. Maybe you should take a step back from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
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Of course everyone has a right to vote for whoever the want and some people will get mad and vote for Trump out of spite. But anyone who supports racism on a public forum is going to be rightfully challenged.
 
Republic of Ezo said:
Exactly. Instead of arguing over whether a position is left or right, defend your damn position. What about high tariffs with China and higher tariffs across the Pacific region makes that more compelling than the alternative? And what about that is so important that it's worth supporting a racist who will create the largest blanket ban on any immigrant group in American history (which, incidentally, will only strengthen the jihadist nut jobs that the bill is purporting to stop)?
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It's cute when people will say he doesn't really mean it, or he wouldn't actually try, but the reality is that President's tend to keep the majority of their campaign promises, or at least give it a damn shot. You better believe erecting an absolutely terrible Supreme Court majority will be one of those.
 
I have a really hard time believing that Donald Trump supporters are voting for him on policy. The overwhelming majority are voting for him because he's a racist asshole who speaks what they want to hear, "The Silent Majority". He appealed to the scum of the Republican party and there is a whole lot of them.
 
Pretty crazy that Trump is winning in some polls and already beat Hillary to a party nomination; FBI investigation needs to end pronto but still Hillary's to lose
 
Bernie currently polls better because of
a) he is not as well known, so lesser known candidates are less apt of getting high unfavorables.

b) he is not been attacking at all by any negative ads. Republicans don't want to touch him.. yet.

if by miracle, Sanders beats Hillary: the Republicans would open the flood gates of socialism and communism attack ads
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
Wait, but that's what makes her a good candidate. Two + decades of pure trash that has been thrown at her and basically nothing has brought her down and from the start she has been the presumptive front runner for this election, and still is six months out from voting day.

That's a pretty good candidate to me.
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I was being sarcastic with the not a good candidate thing, which I then followed with giving the GOP shit for their lifetime of bullshit, if that wasn't clear.
 
inner-G said:
I don't believe any of the right-wing stuff he's saying now.

He's historically been more liberal, and now seems to be doing 180s on stuff now that he has the nomination. He also said Republican doesn't mean conservative, which is interesting.

I don't vote for the party that's in bed with business typically, hence my reservations on voting for Hillary.

She is also just not progressive on the issues I care the most about.
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So, how do you know when he is telling the truth if he was lying before????
 
puebla said:
I have a really hard time believing that Donald Trump supporters are voting for him on policy. The overwhelming majority are voting for him because he's a racist asshole who speaks what they want to hear, "The Silent Majority". He appealed to the scum of the Republican party and there is a whole lot of them.
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They want that wall, you better believe it.
 
inner-G said:
Hillary is the only one with a record to look at.

Her record fails on the issues I care about. Whether those are big issues to most people, is another story. It is my personal decision on who to vote for.
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What are you going to say when Trump kills thousands by repealing Obamacare and replacing it with nothing? Or when he "bombs the shit" out of the middle east and forces the US army to kill the innocent families of everyone connected to ISIS?
 
gutter_trash said:
Bernie currently polls better because of
a) he is not as well known, so lesser known candidates are less apt of getting high unfavorables.

b) he is not been attacking at all by any negative ads. Republicans don't want to touch him.. yet.

if by miracle, Sanders beats Hillary: the Republicans would open the flood gates of socialism and communism attack ads
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Obama already called him a communist and it was pretty funny.
 
TheLostBigBoss said:
Can you show me where Clinton has been bought out and influenced by those businessmen?

Like, two solid concrete examples would make me happy.
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The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you want to believe that they don't, you're being naive.

TheOMan said:
So, how you know when he is telling the truth if he was lying before????
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Oh, I can tell.
 
inner-G said:
The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you wan't to believe that, you're being naive.


Oh, I can tell.
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So you have no examples. It's your gut instinct. Just like it's your gut instinct that Trump is secretly a good person who just publicly says the most horrible things that a Presidential candidate has said in recent memory. That's all you had to say.
 
inner-G said:
Hillary needs her feet held to the fire before the election. Democrats need to pressure her to be more liberal or it isn't going to happen
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This is dumb Hillary is very liberal in fact when she was a senator she was just as liberal as Elizabeth Warren and more liberal than Obama on issues. I have no idea where this narrative that Hillary is not that liberal came from but its dumb.
 
inner-G said:
If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you wan't to believe that, you're being naive.
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He is naive for thinking Hillary isn't bought yet you aren't for thinking Trump "doesn't mean it" with his detailed yet terrible plans for tax and healthcare reforms?
 
Trumps flip flops so far amount to saying we need a higher minimum wage while admitting he'd do nothing for it because he wants to leave it to the states. Then he did his usual "trust me" that with him businesses will raise wages because.
 
Punchy4486 said:
So you have no examples. It's your gut instinct. Just like it's your gut instinct that Trump is secretly a good person who just publicly says the most horrible things that a Presidential candidate has said in recent memory. That's all you had to say.
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He's either a trolling clown or one of the dumbest people on the planet, quit wasting your time.
 
inner-G said:
The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you want to believe that they don't, you're being naive.


Oh, I can tell.
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Welp, seems legit.

But seriously - how can you tell?
 
inner-G said:
The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you wan't to believe that, you're being naive.


Oh, I can tell.
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And Trump owes hundreds of millions to some of the largest creditors all over the world. Do you think they don't have any sway over him?

And put yourself in Hillary's position: if someone offered you $250,000 to give a one hour speech to some executives, would you not accept that immediately? I certainly would. And that doesn't mean I owe anything to those people afterwards (and it's not like Hillary is going to need to rely on executive speeches after her presidency to make money... the book deals alone will be worth tens of millions). Meanwhile, Trump LITERALLY owes many of these companies large swaths of money.
 
inner-G said:
The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you want to believe that they don't, you're being naive.
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People like Hillary also get paid huge sums of money for speaking at colleges and conferences. What are they expecting in return?
 
inner-G said:
I think anyone who believes any of them at face value are naive
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Do you even know what Trump's proposals for healthcare and tax reform are? They're the exact same as every other republican candidate's; tax cuts for everyone that overwhelmingly benefit the rich, repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing. If you're a liberal why are you even considering voting for Trump?
 
Punchy4486 said:
He asked for an example of Wall Street influence being exerted on Hillary. Like... how did it affect her policies.

You didn't offer any.

You said she was paid for speeches that she gave.
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Ok.

She opposes reinstating Glass-Steagall.

There's really no reason a liberal politician wouldn't want to reinstate it unless they had a little bit in for the banks.

TheOMan said:
Welp, seems legit.

But seriously - how can you tell?
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I read their aura
 
inner-G said:
The amounts of money she got from the Wall St. speeches is enough for me.

If you judge by a different criteria, that's cool, but some investment firm doesn't just give you stacks of money and expect nothing but a speech in return. If you want to believe that they don't, you're being naive.


Oh, I can tell.
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Can you specifically point to an instance where Hillary's vote was affected by Wall St, or where she started singing a different tune after a speech?
 
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