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Pokémon Sun and Moon Starters Revealed. Releases November 18th 2016.
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Litten will be a Tiger. Mark my words.
That's exactly what I expect, and what we should expect if we follow the usual pattern.
Especially for the cat becoming a tiger. We never actually had one yet and it would fit the Chinese Zodiac theory for the Fire starters. Fire/Ghost and I'm in.
Since I'm going on blackout and if I don't see the evolutions, I'm going with the cat hoping it'll be the tiger of the year. The owl is cute enough for a second run.
But... you only have one starter. You don't have anything else to rely on. That's my point. And god help you if you chose fire. The problem is that they now throw super birds, super rodents, super bugs etc. and unlimited tms at you. It conveniences the player, but it also makes the story mode a complete joke.
I really don't like the idea of removing HMs and replace them with regular old items. I wouldn't mind for the HM system to get changed or downright replaced by something else, but I'd still want it to involve Pokemon interacting with the environment.
He's great in the anime, but funnily enough I also feel like he's at his creepiest there. Being some weird housekeeper slash husband.
And yeah. I suppose it makes sense for Kalos, THE Mega gen, to focus on those (plus it had a smaller new Pokemon roster in the first place), but I don't want that to mean the death of permanent evolutions for older Pokemon. To me that would make the Sinnoh (and Johto) ones look really weird, as if they no longer belong. But idk, that's just me.
He's great in the anime, but funnily enough I also feel like he's at his creepiest there. Being some weird housekeeper slash husband.
And yeah. I suppose it makes sense for Kalos, THE Mega gen, to focus on those (plus it had a smaller new Pokemon roster in the first place), but I don't want that to mean the death of permanent evolutions for older Pokemon. To me that would make the Sinnoh (and Johto) ones look really weird, as if they no longer belong. But idk, that's just me.
Lil'DigiOp
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By the second evo, you have a really good idea of what the final evo will be. The only one who really breaks this trend is Dewott.
But everyone else brings about 70% of their traits to their final evo.
So come fall when they reveal second stage, we'll know who's fucked up or not.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
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Litten will be a Tiger. Mark my words.
They remind me of the Performapal monsters from Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V now...but then again I think those are cute too.
Not a problem. Just make the HM moves TMs and allow Pokemon to use those moves in the overworld after you obtain the corresponding key items.
So you can still use Surf to ride on your Lapras, but only after you obtain a raft key item.
Subtervotion
Member
Easily. It allows every trainer to have 5-6 pokemon that will kick your ass. Every trainer battle would be a challenge. The reason you get a full heal at the end is so you don't have to go back to the pokemon center after every single battle.
As it stands, every trainer has 1-2 pokemon (maybe 3), and the battles are rarely difficult. Normally you'll only lose a battle if you start on low health.
I'm not saying gf should do this, but I think it would allow every trainer battle to actually be tough. At the very least they should change something to add challenge. (hard mode?)
MannyToons
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I mean, that's just my personal preference with starter Pokemon.
The idea of replacing HMs with items is awful. You have these superpowered monsters in your pocket and instead of using them to interact with the world and solve problems you use regular every day items. How boring and uncreative.
HMs should be changed so they don't waste moveslots on party members, but the idea of using your pokemon to navigate throughout the world should never be changed, and IMO should actually be expanded on.
Tbh I'd love if they let the type of pokemon you choose change the way you go through a route. Like say, if you have a water type, you can surf straight across a lake but if not you have to walk around. If you have a rock type you can scale up and over a mountain but if not you have to go through a cave to get across. If a boulder is in your way strength should not be the only way to deal with it, why not also be able to use a psychic type to lift it with telekenesis? Things like this would make the basic concept of HMs far more interesting.
HMs should be changed so they don't waste moveslots on party members, but the idea of using your pokemon to navigate throughout the world should never be changed, and IMO should actually be expanded on.
Tbh I'd love if they let the type of pokemon you choose change the way you go through a route. Like say, if you have a water type, you can surf straight across a lake but if not you have to walk around. If you have a rock type you can scale up and over a mountain but if not you have to go through a cave to get across. If a boulder is in your way strength should not be the only way to deal with it, why not also be able to use a psychic type to lift it with telekenesis? Things like this would make the basic concept of HMs far more interesting.
I love these ideas. Well, except for the clothes. I think the clothes would be represented by colored fur, tufts of feather, etc.
A ring of fire around the tiger would be AMAZING.
Of course, now that we're entertaining this idea, it'll probably be something completely different (and good in its own way).
But the first routes are also very short and you can catch other Pokemon almost immediately.
The amount of trainers with teams of five/six is astoundingly low.
Lord_Byron28
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While the general ideas seem plausible, the monster designs drawn look terrible. I can't see them going with something looking like that for a final Evo water pokemon design.
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Litten will be a Tiger. Mark my words.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
Completely agree with this. HMs help emphasize the idea of pokemon being our partners on this journey.
But there's no reason my water-type pokemon can't know four moves AND be able to swim.
Lil'DigiOp
Member
Why not make HM moves forgettable? Its a dumb restriction carried over from earlier games and you can't even transfer mon with HM moves anyway.
Saves so much trouble
Why did we get Delphox then?
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
Then you're stuck having to switch moves every time you want to use a field move, which would be an extra hassle. You might as well just keep the HM in one of the slots.
Well that doesn't make much sense because why would you own a raft then.
How about this one: HMs work like TMs for battle moves, so they're deletable now, but owning a HM is like owning the raft key item you're describing. You own the HM and any Surf compatible Pokemon now has the ability to use Surf in the overworld, with no need to actually to teach it. Teaching is only for if you want to use it in battle.
Knight(Chesnaught) Mage(Delphox) Ninja(Greninja) theme they had going?
Seriously tho no idea why they went that...route with the fennekin line lol.
Subtervotion
Member
HM are the easiest fix ever. Make them key items. It doesn't break progress. If you can carry a bike in your backpack you can carry a raft.
It's not that big of a deal for me though. There are plenty of other things I'd put above it on the fix list.
It's not that big of a deal for me though. There are plenty of other things I'd put above it on the fix list.
Honestly, just make HMs moves that have effects on the world in general (ie Sweet Scent becomes an HM, Dig becomes an HM, anything that could be used outside of battle becomes an HM) and have them be removable like TMs. Then, HMs are still special enough to have their own category, but you aren't stuck with them like every other move
Lil'DigiOp
Member
That would work but then HM's should be Gym Leader TM's.
That would help pacing so you get the TM at the proper time in the story.
Well, HMs are already given out at proper times in the story as is aren't they? I don't think it matters much if you get them from the Gym Leader or not, to me it makes sense for them to just give you their signature battle move TM.
You could totally do what you're describing though. It's just that you could already do so now, the way HMs work doesn't have much to do with that.
User 73706
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Yeah, but it did change the way damage was calculated for virtually every Pokemon, type, attack, and encounter in the entire game, which is way more substantial than switching some matchups around.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
Just require a certain badge to do different field moves.
"Congratulations, here's the [insert badge]! Pokémon up to Lv. 60 will now obey you, and water-type pokemon can now carry you while swimming! Also, here's a TM!"
"Congratulations, here's the [insert badge]! Pokémon up to Lv. 60 will now obey you, and water-type pokemon can now carry you while swimming! Also, here's a TM!"
Made a thread on the legendaries. They're gorgeous!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I saw these on /vp/, I don't think the circus theme is really what they were going for to be honest---Popplio definitely has that as its theme given it's based on a peforming sea lion but Rowlet's bow-tie just seems to be referencing how owls are often considered noble and intelligent creatures, and I think Litten representing a tiger jumping through a flaming hoop is really stretching it since it's aesthetic is going for a punk look, but these mock-ups are pretty good...
I saw these on /vp/, I don't think the circus theme is really what they were going for to be honest---Popplio definitely has that as its theme given it's based on a peforming sea lion but Rowlet's bow-tie just seems to be referencing how owls are often considered noble and intelligent creatures, and I think Litten representing a tiger jumping through a flaming hoop is really stretching it since it's aesthetic is going for a punk look, but these mock-ups are pretty good...
They look fantastic.
I saw these on /vp/, I don't think the circus theme is really what they were going for to be honest---Popplio definitely has that as its theme given it's based on a peforming sea lion but Rowlet's bow-tie just seems to be referencing how owls are often considered noble and intelligent creatures, and I think Litten representing a tiger jumping through a flaming hoop is really stretching it since it's aesthetic is going for a punk look, but these mock-ups are pretty good...
The Litten one feels lik it's missing something, but dear god those other two are great. If poplios final evo looked like that I might have to actually use it.
gcncontroller
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This is the best solution I can think of. Keeps the move as a viable option in case you want to use it on a party pokemon, but doesn't force you to give up a slot just to get through an area if you have better options. I also like that this promotes at least a little bit of type diversity without forcing the (mostly crappy) HM moves onto pokemon directly.
Lord_Byron28
Member
I suppose you're right about that. I could see it being water/psychic. I'm not a fan if it goes that route but I just dislike circus themed stuff in general so Popplio probably won't be for me. I think it's likely Rowlett will evolve into a grass/fighting or grass/dark final Evo that has a similar build to the artist' sketch. The only thing I dislike is the wing proportions and the clothing aspect. I've always liked how all of the grass starters incorporate a plant aspect that takes over. While I see them playing up that aspect with a top hat and coat. I hope they do something more creative incorporating a plant design into it somewhat like all other grass evos. Bulbasaur had that bulb on its back that eventually became a giant flower. Chicorita had flower buds around its neck that eventually developed to full grown blossoms. Treeko has a small grassy tail that developed into a giant fern/tree. Turtwig started off with one sprout and developed a small tree on its back. Snivy's was a combination of a snake and a vine so it's tail represented the vine aspect and it slowly grew through each evolution. Chespin represented a chestnut. As it evolved it represented the chestnut opening and sprouting. So I'd like to see something like that incorporated into Rowlett's design.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
That Popplio evo is gorgeous!
Not a fan of Litten having a ring of fire, which I have seen quite a bit. Like Birdie mentioned, the circus theme seems like it could be exclusively tied to Popplio. Litten needs to have a evolution chain that seems him become more viscous/"punk", and with a focus on how the hair is combustible. There's no need for an entire ring of fire when Litten can just spit out a few fiery hairballs. I think they're already hinting at the hair catching flame with the sprite animation.
Not a fan of Litten having a ring of fire, which I have seen quite a bit. Like Birdie mentioned, the circus theme seems like it could be exclusively tied to Popplio. Litten needs to have a evolution chain that seems him become more viscous/"punk", and with a focus on how the hair is combustible. There's no need for an entire ring of fire when Litten can just spit out a few fiery hairballs. I think they're already hinting at the hair catching flame with the sprite animation.
I saw these on /vp/, I don't think the circus theme is really what they were going for to be honest---Popplio definitely has that as its theme given it's based on a peforming sea lion but Rowlet's bow-tie just seems to be referencing how owls are often considered noble and intelligent creatures, and I think Litten representing a tiger jumping through a flaming hoop is really stretching it since it's aesthetic is going for a punk look, but these mock-ups are pretty good...
Those look really nice. I think the Litten evo is going to have a firey ring on it's tail though. I also think it will be Fire/Poison with purple flames.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Yep it comes down to AI levels and AI moves and behavior.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I saw these on /vp/, I don't think the circus theme is really what they were going for to be honest---Popplio definitely has that as its theme given it's based on a peforming sea lion but Rowlet's bow-tie just seems to be referencing how owls are often considered noble and intelligent creatures, and I think Litten representing a tiger jumping through a flaming hoop is really stretching it since it's aesthetic is going for a punk look, but these mock-ups are pretty good...
I love these.
So the real ones will probably be the exact opposite.
Fix-It Felix. Jr.
Member
I'm going to spend the entire summer believing that Litten will remain on all fours. I won't face this [probable] reality until I'm forced to.
it was pretty bad I was like ok fennekin it is I should have known wow it just keeps getting cuter
luckily I saw chesnaught and delphox. went back to best starter ever, chespin4lyfe
I bet littens forehead opens up into a fire mohawk
Problem with people guessing final evolutions is that it looks too much like their first form, just bigger with more details.
Never forget
That's because we like the first forms. I really hope they don't pull a gen 5 & 6 and make the starters awful when they evolve.
And that's why snivy was the best. The jump from oshawott/dewott to samurott is still hilarious.
Serpens007
Member
Problem with people guessing final evolutions is that it looks too much like their first form, just bigger with more details.
Never forget
Well, gen 1 and 2 did make the final evo look a lot like the first stage. The trend was lost afterwards.
I'd love the final evo of litten to be a sabertootH tiger