The difference is I'd actually use it and it would have a pokedex entry.
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Pokémon Sun and Moon Starters Revealed. Releases November 18th 2016.
- Thread starter BY2K
- Start date
The difference is I'd actually use it and it would have a pokedex entry.
thats exactly how it would have been to evolve it
MrCookiepants
Member
What's stopping you from using it now? Your irrational vendetta against megas?
I would expect nothing less from someone who has worst starter in their avi
What's stopping you from using it now? Your irrational vendetta against megas?
I would expect nothing less from someone who has worst starter in their avi
Why would I go out of my way to find the mega stone when it doesn't add to my pokedex at all? Certainly not to have an easier time with the story. The only megas I've ever used is Metagross since the Metagrossite came with the shiny Beldum they were giving out to celebrate the release of ORAS and Sceptile since it was my starter.
Killer Queen
Banned
It's permanent and you're not only allowed to use it once per battle?
to use in the battle maison?
if you dont do multiplayer, battle maison, and only things that help complete the pokedex are worth your time, then I got nothing
While some Pokemon that got mega evolutions really should have gotten normal evolutions, Gyarados isn't one of them.
Not to mention how broken Eviolite Gyarados would be.
There's a big difference. I can't use more than one mega on the same team, and I can't keep a pokemon permanently in its mega form. I like Mega Mawile and Mega Sableye, but I can't use both on the same team, and because most mega stones aren't placed in the main game I probably can't use them on a main game team at all.
For someone who doesn't play competitive, they might as well not even exist. The only thing they do is deny some pokemon a potential actual evolution.
I prefer true evolutions to Mega Evolutions as well. Something abut ME's have always bothered me, probably the fact that they always go back to the standard form after battle and that they don't get their own Dex entry is probably why. It's basically just a form change, which I never cared for prior to Gen VI.
Granted, ME's do have one huge advantage in that they give Pokemon that normally wouldn't ever get an evolution something new, like stage 3 evolutions and legendaries. I think if they just gave Mega's to stage 3/legendaries and gave the rest true evolution, I'd be a lot more satisfied with the system.
This is just my weird personal quirk though.
Granted, ME's do have one huge advantage in that they give Pokemon that normally wouldn't ever get an evolution something new, like stage 3 evolutions and legendaries. I think if they just gave Mega's to stage 3/legendaries and gave the rest true evolution, I'd be a lot more satisfied with the system.
This is just my weird personal quirk though.
the real solution is obviously for Game Freak to add something really substantial to single player to give it infinite replayability
So basically bring PWT back along with more stuff
also add a Mega Pokedex with numbers and descriptions
mega evolutions not fulfilling a specific need you personally find value in doesnt really take away from their value in the games. theyre a good mechanic for battles and cool designs
So basically bring PWT back along with more stuff
also add a Mega Pokedex with numbers and descriptions
mega evolutions not fulfilling a specific need you personally find value in doesnt really take away from their value in the games. theyre a good mechanic for battles and cool designs
chaobreaker
Member
People cursing the existence of Megas should be cursing the existing of this bullshit instead. This killed a good amount of Pokémon's chances of getting an evolution.
What's wrong with weak Pokemon? I never got this argument. "They have shitty stats, so they need a mega evolution to be even viable." No, they don't. Clefable has a BST of 483. Mega Audino has 545. And yet Clefable is far more viable than Mega Audino, because Clefable doesn't constrict your team and has far more useful abilities and moves. Prior to Gen VI, Clefable was still viable because of its unique properties.
This power creep over the last few generations has gone out of hand. It produced stupid ass broken stuff like Gale Wings Brave Bird/Flare Blitz, Mega Kangaskhan and whatnot. And it's only going to get worse with more mega evolutions.
Neoleo2143
Member
Some mega evolutions like mega audino should probably be normal evolutions. But most of the time mega evolution adds something different to the pokemon and changes their strategy. Plus the idea of a mega evolutions being able to hold normal hold items just sounds super broken, people really under estimate how powerful hold items are.
So anyone else want to speculate as to what kind of new Pokemon we're going to see? The Hawaii/Tropical setting offers a ton of possibilities.
Some that I picture happening:
- Tiki Pokemon
- Coconut Pokemon (We all know it's coming)
- Dolphin
- Some kind of monitor lizard (Komodo Dragon)
- Wallaby
- Maybe a Fiery Skipper bug-type Pokemon? (Picture a red/orange moth)
Some that I picture happening:
- Tiki Pokemon
- Coconut Pokemon (We all know it's coming)
- Dolphin
- Some kind of monitor lizard (Komodo Dragon)
- Wallaby
- Maybe a Fiery Skipper bug-type Pokemon? (Picture a red/orange moth)
Already Torn
Banned
I'm glad we can all agree that an advantage of Mega Pokemon is that you only have to use them if you want to.
Yes. Because then you should have been able to evolve it in past games. Ever new evolution or pre evolution has some stupid way to do it for this reason. The worst is "level up with ancient power"
Neoleo2143
Member
So it's like any Pokemon really. Some are good, some aren't as good.
Mega Beedrill is super rad though.
They still negatively affect the game though. The amount of actual new Pokemon in X/Y is a joke.
Already Torn
Banned
So you're telling me that you used every single one of the new Pokemon in previous generations? All of the new evolutions?
While not functional, Mega Audino is super cute.
Paper Sparrow
Member
Kauai will have the most kawaii of all the kawaii Hawaii Pokemon.
I only think it does because we have so few of them, With more mega choices to be made it opens up more pools. Also gamefeak actually buffed pokemon numbers for the first time this gen so nothing is impossible.
Not every, but most of them. I play Pokemon games multiple times and always use a different team each time I do.
Neoleo2143
Member
Well if you exclude BW, then no, the regional dexes tend to be too large for active use. I don't think that it is unreasonable to want more new Pokemon than kalos introduced, though I fault that more as having to create 720 new models for Pokemon.
Already Torn
Banned
I dunno man, I just fail to see how forcing terrible evolutions on us that get their own Pokedex entry is better than Mega Evolutions. I guess I'm just glad they're gonna keep doing things my way. In a perfect world we'll have like 80+ brand new Pokemon and tons of mega evos for old Pokemon though.
I believe the problem is that right now (and always) is pokémon rely on trying to OHKO the oponent. An RPG in which if you don't kill in one move you lost, it's not good game design, because it doesn't allow for actual strategies and interesting combat. This is why megas are used so frequently, because they get the stat boost needed to OHKO anything, and the solution isn't removing megas, or revamping the EV/IV system.
It's funny how everyone enjoys the anime battles because they are interesting and "thrilling" but in the game you just use one move and win.
It's funny how everyone enjoys the anime battles because they are interesting and "thrilling" but in the game you just use one move and win.
Seems a bit pedantic. They didn't really care with the baby Pokémon suddenly being something no one had seen before. I'm sure we could have all accepted a bit of hand waving as to why a Pokémon has a new form. Just call it evolution of evolution ha ha. Guess it's too late now.
Would you agree Scizor and Steelix are terrible evolutions?
I could definitely see the Tiki Pokemon. The statues in the games are always based on a Pokemon and the ones we see in the trailer seem to be based on either a tiki or a mask or something.
Already Torn
Banned
Absolutely dude. Still makes me mad. Steelix in particular.
Oh, I agree!! I guess you could argue that people in gen 2 just didn't know how to breed them together or some nonsense. Then they needed to add all of those dumb incenses to get Pokemon in the mood enough to create a new species or whatever. It's weird.
Meanwhile, the current games are in like a different universe from the old ones anyway.
We have radically different tastes in Pokemon haha. I love both of those evolutions. In an ideal world we'd get both new megas and a ton of regular new Pokemon (both new species and evos of old single and dual stage Pokemon) so everyone could be happy.
Slowbro and Slowking are split evolutions not a linear path.
Already Torn
Banned
Slowbro is the end stage! Slowking was a weirded branching path.
And that wouldn't make me happy 😔
Never actually thought mine through.
- Kanto: Charmander
- Johto: Totodile
- Hoenn: Torchic
- Sinnoh: Chimchar
- Unova: Tepig
- Kalos: Froakie
- Alola: Litten
OIC. Guess I forgot that. Goes to show how much I care about Pokémon not called Stunfisk.
Slowbro is the end stage! Slowking was a weirded branching path.
And that wouldn't make me happy 😔
The evolutions for old Pokemon would all be ones you already don't like in the first place.
You're going to be disappointed when the first one this gen is revealed then. Mega Evolution is a gameplay mechanics so it's never leaving the series.
Already Torn
Banned
Why would you say that? I liked Onix and Rhydon.
StreetsAhead
Member
On one hand, I think they won't add any new Megas in Sun/Moon(it'll be something else like Syncro-evolutions or something) while on the other, on the other they were popular enough that they'll probably introduce some. Even gen 3 introduced a couple of babies. And, in theory, since a Pokemon is capable of having multiple Megas, it means that they can always go back and add new forms to old Pokemon if they want to. Or just keep giving us Charizard revisions.
I don't think they'll get rid of Megas, though (this is the series that keeps up some of the minor gender differences introduced in Gen IV after all).
For example, things like Maractus are not gonna be broken by a new evolution meaning it can use Eviolite, I don't think. (Back in the day, I was hoping Maractus would be like Roselia and have a pre-evo and and evolution introduced in the following generation). They could also do more split evolutions like with Eevee, Gallade, Slowking etc without introducing any problems.
GiantBreadbug
Member
I like Megas just fine, but if a Pokemon can get a regular evo without it's pre-evo being broken with Eviolite, then it should get a regular old evolution.
We can have both.
We can have both.
This is a hypothetical situation for Sun and Moon where all of the old Pokemon that get new evolutions are ones that you already dislike. We can't go back and change the past.
But Onix is factually awful.
Problem is that Eviolite existing makes it unlikely we'll get any cross gen new evos unless they completely remove that item.
They like to have legacy, so things that happen now couldn't have happened in past games. It's why Leafeon evolves based on location rather than the Leaf Stone.
They like to have legacy, so things that happen now couldn't have happened in past games. It's why Leafeon evolves based on location rather than the Leaf Stone.
GiantBreadbug
Member
Yes, exactly. And I would love to see a Maractus evo.
Like someone pointed out, regular evos and Megas have different ideas behind their designs. Megas are superpowered, and often just take the theme of the base Pokemon and add to it in crazy or exaggerated ways. Whereas regular evolutions, well, evolve. They change, augment, become something new while retaining bits of the previous forms.
I should point out that the above isn't always true, and the line blurs for some Megas, but I think the two can coexist very well.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Gamefreak has already almost entirely retconned the Type Gems, so maybe there's hope that they'll cut the Eviolite. Permanent evolutions have neat perks to them so it would be a shame if they died out completely in lieu of Megas.