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That's a bold statement

Count how many rock type gym leaders there are.

Or they can nerf stealth rocks, but seeing how it's been two gens and Nintendo still hasn't nerfed it I'm not counting on it.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Or they can nerf stealth rocks, but seeing how it's been two gens and Nintendo still hasn't nerfed it I'm not counting on it.

GF leaves Stealth Rock alone because the sole format for VGCs is doubles, where SR is practically worthless in.

 

[Already Torn]

Gamefreak has already almost entirely retconned the Type Gems, so maybe there's hope that they'll cut the Eviolite. Permanent evolutions have neat perks to them so it would be a shame if they died out completely in lieu of Megas.

Ewww, please keep in Eviolite. Otherwise I'd have to start using that dumpster fire Blissey again.

And Megas have neater perks to them.

 

[Sandfox]

Or they can nerf stealth rocks, but seeing how it's been two gens and Nintendo still hasn't nerfed it I'm not counting on it.

Stealth Rock is only used in the Smogon formats so they may not see it as a concern.

 

[Crayolan]

Problem is that Eviolite existing makes it unlikely we'll get any cross gen new evos unless they completely remove that item.

They like to have legacy, so things that happen now couldn't have happened in past games. It's why Leafeon evolves based on location rather than the Leaf Stone.

Didn't they get rid of the type gems?

 

[Neoleo2143]

I believe the problem is that right now (and always) is pokémon rely on trying to OHKO the oponent. An RPG in which if you don't kill in one move you lost, it's not good game design, because it doesn't allow for actual strategies and interesting combat. This is why megas are used so frequently, because they get the stat boost needed to OHKO anything, and the solution isn't removing megas, or revamping the EV/IV system.

It's funny how everyone enjoys the anime battles because they are interesting and "thrilling" but in the game you just use one move and win.

But all those things add genuine depth to the game in terms of customization. And OHKO's really only happen if you get outsmarted by a good strategy or play (unless it's Mega Raquaza or an uber) If you're talking about single player, then play set battle because that makes the value of a single turn very high and corrects the depth issue with shift battle.

 

[Firemind]

Ewww, please keep in Eviolite. Otherwise I'd have to start using that dumpster fire Blissey again.

Why Blissey when there's Clefable?

 

[Already Torn]

Why Blissey when there's Clefable?

Chansey is cooler than both tho

 

[Azuran]

On one hand, I think they won't add any new Megas in Sun/Moon(it'll be something else like Syncro-evolutions or something) while on the other, on the other they were popular enough that they'll probably introduce some. Even gen 3 introduced a couple of babies. And, in theory, since a Pokemon is capable of having multiple Megas, it means that they can always go back and add new forms to old Pokemon if they want to. Or just keep giving us Charizard revisions.

I don't think they'll get rid of Megas, though (this is the series that keeps up some of the minor gender differences introduced in Gen IV after all).

I'm expecting at least one of the starter sets to get some megas. Maybe the Johto ones because they're pretty bad in the current metagame.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

Problem is that Eviolite existing makes it unlikely we'll get any cross gen new evos unless they completely remove that item.

They like to have legacy, so things that happen now couldn't have happened in past games. It's why Leafeon evolves based on location rather than the Leaf Stone.

But thats what Megas are suppose to solve.

 

[Sandfox]

Didn't they get rid of the type gems?

Those were removed because they were cheap though.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Ewww, please keep in Eviolite. Otherwise I'd have to start using that dumpster fire Blissey again.

And Megas have neater perks to them.

They both have perks, that's why I think they should coexist

Didn't they get rid of the type gems?

They're all still in the coding, but the only one you can legally get in Gen 6 is the Normal Gem.

 

[Reset]

I'm expecting at least one of the starter sets to get some megas. Maybe the Johto ones because they're pretty bad in the current metagame.

Feraligatr is pretty decent.

GF leaves Stealth Rock alone because the sole format for VGCs is doubles, where SR is practically worthless in.

Stealth Rock is only used in the Smogon formats so they may not see it as a concern.

Which is kinda dumb that even made doubles the main format when 95% of the battles in game are singles. And singles is more fun than doubles.

 

[Seil]

But thats what Megas are suppose to solve.

That's the point... We're not likely to get real evolutions to old Pokemon because of eviolite. Instead we're stuck with megas, even for Pokemon that could use a proper evolution.

 

[Neoleo2143]

Personally, I don't mind if Gamefreak added more regular evos to existing Pokemon even with eviolite because that adds more variety. If I could use maractus with eviolite, I'd be a happy camper. And if its evo was decent at a something else that's more options for me.

Edit: It's also worth noting the power of knock off and how that interacts nowadays. Item destruction wasn't as common.

 

[Sandfox]

Feraligatr is pretty decent.




Which is kinda dumb that even made doubles the main format when 95% of the battles in game are singles. And singles is more fun than doubles.

Doubles are used because they are faster and 3v3 singles would stink competitively.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

That's the point... We're not likely to get real evolutions to old Pokemon because of eviolite. Instead we're stuck with megas, even for Pokemon that could use a proper evolution.

Or just nerf eviolite or ban eviolite.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Problem is that Eviolite existing makes it unlikely we'll get any cross gen new evos unless they completely remove that item.

They like to have legacy, so things that happen now couldn't have happened in past games. It's why Leafeon evolves based on location rather than the Leaf Stone.

Why would the existence of Eviolite prohibit any new cross-gen evolutions? Sincere question.

 

[Neoleo2143]

Or just nerf eviolite or ban eviolite.

But eviolite is a really cool item that makes more Pokemon usable in interesting ways.

 

[JoeM86]

Why would the existence of Eviolite prohibit any new cross-gen evolutions? Sincere question.

Because the idea of it working on the Pokémon in one gen but not another is not one they like to have.

 

[God Dayumm]

Hopefully they make Megas into regular evolutions so I can put an eviolite on my Gengar

 

[Puruzi]

Why would the existence of Eviolite prohibit any new cross-gen evolutions? Sincere question.

The pokemon that would evolve would have the same stats but eviolite would bost the defenses. If that pokemon was already good it could be better to just use the eviolite pre evo than the new evo.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

The pokemon that would evolve would have the same stats but eviolite would bost the defenses. If that pokemon was already good it could be better to just use the eviolite pre evo than the new evo.

Yeah that's why you only give regular evos to Pokemon who won't have broken pre-evos.

 

[Seil]

Why would the existence of Eviolite prohibit any new cross-gen evolutions? Sincere question.

For basically the same reason we can't have new evolutions for old Pokemon that don't use new methods.

Eviolite works because the holder can evolve. If Pokemon that couldn't use it gains an evolution, then they can now use it. Even though they couldn't before, which meant they couldn't evolve further.

They try not to have conflicts like that. The new Fairy Type shows they still aren't afraid to do it in some situations, though.

Edit: Note, this reasoning is ignoring the metagame effects it would have.

 

[NCR Redslayer]

But eviolite is a really cool item that makes more Pokemon usable in interesting ways.

They just create new wall set ups. Like fucking eviolite chansey.

 

[Neoleo2143]

They just create new wall set ups. Like fucking eviolite chansey.

But eviolite Chansey doesn't get another hold item like blissey does and that's a genuinely significant difference.

Not to mention the prevelance of knock off and megas. Chansey is a great poke but blissey isn't invalidated by it.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Because the idea of it working on the Pokémon in one gen but not another is not one they like to have.

The pokemon that would evolve would have the same stats but eviolite would bost the defenses. If that pokemon was already good it could be better to just use the eviolite pre evo than the new evo.

For basically the same reason we can't have new evolutions for old Pokemon that don't use new methods.

Eviolite works because the holder can evolve. If Pokemon that couldn't use it gains an evolution, then they can now use it. Even though they couldn't before, which meant they couldn't evolve further.

They try not to have conflicts like that. The new Fairy Type shows they still aren't afraid to do it in some situations, though.

Edit: Note, this reasoning is ignoring the metagame effects it would have.

That makes sense, thanks guys.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

The pokemon that would evolve would have the same stats but eviolite would bost the defenses. If that pokemon was already good it could be better to just use the eviolite pre evo than the new evo.

I don't think that makes a lot of sense though. Items are huge in battling and Eviolite -while giving you a defensive boost- its viability with a Pokemon would depend entirely on how the Pokemon is. Gengar (assuming it had an evolution just for argument's sake), or even Haunter with Eviolite would still be a glass cannon. The bigger significance is whether the Pokemon's stats are beneficial in a way that you can run Eviolite to its maximum potential. Case in point, Eviolite Chansey. It's all about playing to a Pokemon's strengths.

That being said, I don't think it's fair to focus solely on Eviolite. The bigger problem is if you give an evolution to a Pokemon that didn't necessarily need it. For instance, you would never give a cross-gen evolution to Gengar since it's already so powerful with how its stats are distributed. Cross-gen evos are still possible, you just need to carefully balance and ascertain which Pokemon actually need it to get a power boost.

 

[Already Torn]

I don't think it's because of balancing, I think it's because of in universe consistency. They created a new universe just to make a fairy type.

 

[BGBW]

When you level up Stunfisk with the new legendary lion Pokemon in your team it evolves into Sunfisk!

 

[gardfish]

I don't think it's because of balancing, I think it's because of in universe consistency. They created a new universe just to make a fairy type.

But the only indication that there was an alternate universe wasn't until OR/AS. In X/Y the professor's aides explicitly say that Fairy is a recently-discovered type that turned the type match-up system on its head.

 

[Already Torn]

But the only indication that there was an alternate universe wasn't until OR/AS. In X/Y the professor's aides explicitly say that Fairy is a recently-discovered type that turned the type match-up system on its head.

It was recently discovered in a new universe

 

[Seil]

It was recently discovered in a new universe

But that still does away with any value of the new universe in regards to Fairy...

If it was just discovered there too, then it's still suddenly magically making stuff like Clefairy immune to Dragon, since they didn't notice it was a thing until recently lol.

 

[Already Torn]

But that still does away with any value of the new universe in regards to Fairy...

If it was just discovered there too, then it's still suddenly magically making stuff like Clefairy immune to Dragon, since they didn't notice it was a thing until recently lol.

I think you have to assume that Clefairy was just discovered as well, since it's a fairy type. Otherwise they would have known about fairy types beforehand.

 

[pariah164]

I'm trying real hard to come up with well-designed megas and I honestly can't.

Ahem.

 

[Seil]

I think you have to assume that Clefairy was just discovered as well, since it's a fairy type. Otherwise they would have known about fairy types beforehand.

A Floette, not to mention Xerneas, is established far in the history of Kalos... Pokemon with the Fairy Type aren't just now suddenly popping up in the region.

 

[Qurupeke]

Ahem.

He said well-designed, not over-designed.

 

[Already Torn]

A Floette, not to mention Xerneas, is established far in the history of Kalos... Pokemon with the Fairy Type aren't just now suddenly popping up in the region.

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid thing that they said fairy type was just discovered. I guess you have to assume that those legendary Pokemon were just never catalogued, so people never realized that they weren't normal or psychic type or whatever. I guess it's about the same thing as making us fill in the Pokedex over and over.

 

[AnathemicOne]

He said well-designed, not over-designed.

Mega-Absol is overdesigned? It's literally just Absol with wings

Spoiler

Unless you were referring to base Absol being overdesigned

 

[Already Torn]

Mega-Absol is overdesigned? It's literally just Absol with wings

Spoiler

Unless you were referring to base Absol being overdesigned

I think it's a lower tier mega. I don't like the feathery tufts everywhere, or the luxurious hair.

 

[Nightbird]

The whole Evolite discussion makes me think that that's the reason why Megaevolution have been introduced

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

I've noticed people have been using the term over designed for just about anything over the course of the past year or so. Mega Absol isn't "over designed" at all. In fact no Pokemon is. That's not what the artist for the series are about.

 

[Neoleo2143]

Ahem.

Probably the only pokemon to capture an "angel of death" motif beautifully. Doesn't hurt that Absol was one of my favorites to begin with.

 

[Qurupeke]

Mega-Absol is overdesigned? It's literally just Absol with wings

Spoiler

Unless you were referring to base Absol being overdesigned

Does the wings serve any purpose? They're just there. Hell, I even prefer Mega Garchomp over it.

 

[Firemind]

Ahem.

Absol was already perfect tho

It's like giving a (mega) evo to Zangoose. You just can't.

 

[AnathemicOne]

Does the wings serve any purpose? They're just there. Hell, I even prefer Mega Garchomp over it.

It doesn't add anything but doesn't take anything away from the design either. Unlike say Mega-Gyrados who I would consider over-designed by adding giant fins, change of coloring, and turning the serpentine body into a shrimp

 

[Garuroh]

Mega Sableye and Megan Kanga are good designs

 

[Daemul]

A Floette, not to mention Xerneas, is established far in the history of Kalos... Pokemon with the Fairy Type aren't just now suddenly popping up in the region.

Yeah, it's a pretty stupid thing that they said fairy type was just discovered. I guess you have to assume that those legendary Pokemon were just never catalogued, so people never realized that they weren't normal or psychic type or whatever. I guess it's about the same thing as making us fill in the Pokedex over and over.

Meh, it's no different from Steel and Dark type being introucded in gen 2 as new classifications of Pokemon, you wonder how Pokemon researchers didn't realise that some Pokemon were immune to other types before, but you just shrug your shoulders and go with it, it's nothing major.

Something major is when Fairy type is recently classified in one game, and then in another game set around 10 years prior you have everyone knowing about Fairy types lol

 

[Azuran]

Does the wings serve any purpose? They're just there. Hell, I even prefer Mega Garchomp over it.

He's a representation of an angel. You can even say he represents an angel of death with the whole disaster thing and scythe motif he has going.

 

[pariah164]

He said well-designed, not over-designed.

Your opinion, and you're welcome to it. We'll agree to disagree.

Absol was already perfect tho

It's like giving a (mega) evo to Zangoose. You just can't.

Eh, there may be some truth to that, but I love Absol's Mega.

Probably the only pokemon to capture an "angel of death" motif beautifully. Doesn't hurt that Absol was one of my favorites to begin with.

Exactly. Absol's been my favorite since it was introduced. I always have one in my party when I can.