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[Mr-Joker]

Is it me or the overworld seems more detailed and less blocky/grid-y than X/Y?
That's what make me excite for this game

Yeah Alolo looks more alive and breathing than Kalos ever did and also improves from Hoenn remake problem of the region being so disjointed.

Another thing I'm glad has been culled: Pre-evolutions.

I don't mind pre-evo as Munchlax and Elekid are prettu cute, plus Wynaut pushed Wobbuffet into Uber.

Actually there's some Bs about Mt.coronent causing those evos. Which is why they never happen past 4th gen.

No there isn't Mt Coronet is just stated to be the birthplace of the Sinnoh region and that its magnetic fields affect Magneton and Nosepass causing them to evolve.

I already accepted the fact that some things are going to be inconsistent, it's a long running videogame franchise that introduces new mechanics and explaining the absence of said mechanics in previous games is simply going to be a part of suspension of disbelief.

Agreed, heck gen 5 introduced the Marvel Scale for Feebas to evolve thus completely changing her evolution method from a max beauty stats plus level up to a trade evolution, though the original method will still work.

I'm pretty sure that's what it was too.

Doesn't explain why Piloswine suddenly turns into a mammoth when it levels up with Ancient Power.

I always put it down that Piloswine is tapping into their ancestors' powers thus triggering their evolution.

RBY = RSE -> GSC = DPPt -> B&W -> B2&W2 = X&Y

Archived by Bulbapedia of Toshinobu Matsumiya's tweet from 2014 about the official timeline http://archive.is/D9iPz

But hey, there could be retcons now with the remakes.

EDIT: Although, HG&SS had an event with Cynthia so that lines up.

That tweet has been long deleted and the Hoenn remake threw it out the window.

 

[Toxi]

It was done in a tongue-in-cheek, not-really-canon sort of way though.

Fuck Zinnia and fuck Episode Delta. Easily why I consider ORAS worst of the worst.

Where do you get the idea that it was "tongue-in-cheek"? It's treated as a fairly serious plot point in Episode Delta.

Though arguing Pokemon canon is dumb. This is the same series where in Gen 2 they were shocked by Pokemon eggs.

 

[Toxi]

I always put it down that Piloswine is tapping into their ancestors' powers thus triggering their evolution.

Oh I understand that. It's a cool idea, and even cooler for Yanma to Megayanma.

I'm just pointing out that it's inconsistent with Piloswine not being able to evolve with Ancient Power in the previous generation, so the argument that "Gamefreak has to make convoluted breeding and evolution methods to be consistent between generations" doesn't really hold water.

 

[Kinsei]

but that's just fire starters being bipedal - besides most of the time they are supported by their concept

and only Delphox feels awful - Braixen is fine, unless the concept of "cute witch" is bad when it's as old as time itself

But none of the other starter lines are held to such a stupid tradition. We have quadrupedal water and grass starters.

Braixen would be fine if it wasn't an evolution of Fennekin. They took an adorable fox and turned it into a stupid magical girl/idol thing.

 

[DecoReturns]

Where do you get the idea that it was "tongue-in-cheek"? It's treated as a fairly serious plot point in Episode Delta.

Though arguing Pokemon canon is dumb. This is the same series where in Gen 2 they were shocked by Pokemon eggs.

Or how they claim only 150 Pokemon existed yet their a bunch of different island with more Pokemon.
But I can't blame them for that, Pokemon wasn't popular yet

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Oh I understand that. It's a cool idea, and even cooler for Yanma to Megayanma.

I'm just pointing out that it's inconsistent with Piloswine not being able to evolve with Ancient Power in the previous generation, so the argument that "Gamefreak has to make convoluted breeding and evolution methods to be consistent between generations" doesn't really hold water.

This is exactly what I've been trying to argue a couple pages ago. Especially with the issue of the multiverse theory, which only makes it even worse. The consistency argument ironically is filled with inconsistencies.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Where do you get the idea that it was "tongue-in-cheek"? It's treated as a fairly serious plot point in Episode Delta.

Though arguing Pokemon canon is dumb. This is the same series where in Gen 2 they were shocked by Pokemon eggs.

Will that old man ever figure out where they came from? He's probably still trying to understand where his kid came from.

 

[DecoReturns]

But none of the other starter lines are held to such a stupid tradition. We have quadrupedal water and grass starters.

Braixen would be fine if it wasn't an evolution of Fennekin. They took an adorable fox and turned it into a stupid magical girl/idol thing.

In Chinese religion traditions, a Fox can become a witch or a beautiful girl(at times still look both human and like a fox).
One reason I never had a problem with Fennekin

 

[Menitta]

Another thing I'm glad has been culled: Pre-evolutions.

I don't know. They can be cool. Pichu is one of my favorite Pokemon.

 

[Toxi]

Will that old man ever figure out where they came from? He's probably still trying to understand where his kid came from.

 

[Neoleo2143]

I don't know. They can be cool. Pichu is one of my favorite Pokemon.

Didn't pichu also bring up the light ball? Which is one of my favorite items since it allows me to run the random suicide pikachu. Always fun.

 

[Nanashrew]

Yeah Alolo looks more alive and breathing than Kalos ever did and also improves from Hoenn remake problem of the region being so disjointed.



I don't mind pre-evo as Munchlax and Elekid are prettu cute, plus Wynaut pushed Wobbuffet into Uber.



No there isn't Mt Coronet is just stated to be the birthplace of the Sinnoh region and that its magnetic fields affect Magneton and Nosepass causing them to evolve.



Agreed, heck gen 5 introduced the Marvel Scale for Feebas to evolve thus completely changing her evolution method from a max beauty stats plus level up to a trade evolution, though the original method will still work.



I always put it down that Piloswine is tapping into their ancestors' powers thus triggering their evolution.



That tweet has been long deleted and the Hoenn remake threw it out the window.

What, the Hoopa rings? That thing could pull in legendaries from any dimension and any place. Just because he has pocket dimensions or doesn't exist there, doesn't mean he doesn't exist somewhere else.

There's not much else that really messes things up in a big way. Though, it could be moved somewhere else in the timeline next to X&Y, who knows. Everything lines up though.

 

[Joqu]

That tweet has been long deleted and the Hoenn remake threw it out the window.

Nah, I don't agree with that at all. Just replace RSE with ORAS. Nothing the Hoenn remake did threw the events of the Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh or Unova games out of the window, it doesn't pretend those events never happened. They'll get replaced with mega evolution versions when their inevitable remakes happen, sure, but people didn't act all weird about Gold and Silver when the Kanto remake happened, even though it's HG/SS that ultimately took the sequel spot to FR/LG in retrospect.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

First time that they've skipped a third game for the same gen. Guess they thought it wasn't worth the time and money anymore.

Seems like they saw an anniversary date coming up and decided a new gen was a better idea.

Maybe Gen 7 will have an XY sequel to tie everything up.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Nah, I don't agree with that at all. Just replace RSE with ORAS. Nothing the Hoenn remake did threw the events of the Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh or Unova games out of the window, it doesn't pretend those events never happened. They'll get replaced with mega evolution versions when their inevitable remakes happen, sure, but people didn't act all weird about Gold and Silver when the Kanto remake happened, even though it's HG/SS that ultimately took the sequel spot to FR/LG in retrospect.

It's not about invalidating what happened within the games. The poster meant threw it out in the sense that the original timeline tweeted is invalidated now that ORAS happened (after all, the tweet did say XY happened with BW, even though XY is considered the MEvo universe). There's an obvious split now that Delta Episode and ORAS as a whole happened.

 

[Nanashrew]

I wonder how much they'll play up the sun and moon theme. They've made quite a few sun and moon pokemon already. Even the Eeveelutions have a sun and moonlight version (Espeon and Umbreon).


^ I bet if Mega evolutions came in early, they would have put them in the other remakes too. They try to keep everything consistent when on the same platform and ways to transfer things over. If you caught a Pikachu in the original Red and Blue, there's a likely chance it will have a light ball when traded to Gold and Silver. Miniscule, yeah, but now they've just gone bigger with these remakes with Mega evolutions and mega stones.

 

[DecoReturns]

I wonder how much they'll play up the sun and moon theme. They've made quite a few sun and moon pokemon already. Even the Eeveelutions have a sun and moonlight version (Espeon and Umbreon).

It'll be rather insulting to get Moon and not see Clefariy anywhere.

 

[Joqu]

It's not about invalidating what happened within the games. The poster meant threw it out in the sense that the original timeline tweeted is invalidated now that ORAS happened (after all, the tweet did say XY happened with BW, even though XY is considered the MEvo universe). There's an obvious split now that Delta Episode and ORAS as a whole happened.

Yeah, but I'm arguing the delta episode doesn't invalidate the general sentiment expressed in that tweet. People take the split too literally.

Unless you're saying XY takes place around the same time as ORAS instead of BW, that's another discussion. XY didn't really do much to tie itself to any other region timing-wise so it's pretty flexible in that regard. The closest thing we've got to figure that out is the whole Looker thing.

 

[Puruzi]

Oh right that mysterious item that you get in X and Y was a Totem or something right? Wonder if it means anything in regards to S&M

 

[Nanashrew]

On the Gold and Silver remakes, it actually does tie into Diamond and Pearl in some places unlike the original games did. Especially meeting Cynthia and getting one of the God Pokemon.

 

[Joqu]

Oh right that mysterious item that you get in X and Y was a Totem or something right? Wonder if it means anything in regards to S&M

I'm curious too. We can't exactly transfer it right? Not without a Bank update (or by asking us to own two handhelds again).

I do wish I could use Bank for easy transfer of items between my games. Wonder why they didn't allow it.

 

[Mestizo]

I always thought Diamond, Pearl and Platinum had already the concept of parallel universes: Cyrus depending the universe will want Dialga, Palkia or both and in the latter case this will awake Giratina. They also are the pokemons of Time/Space/Antimatter. That's why I love 4th gen, it has a real "atmosphere" (thanks to its majestic OST) coherent with its themes. Like B/W.

 

[Neiteio]

Guys, gals

These new Pokemon have me thirsting for more

MORE

We need blueprints to the Game Freak office building. Also suction cups we can use to scale a building. Something that can cut glass. Oh, and knockout gas. And gas masks for the knockout gas.

Who's in.

 

[Nanashrew]

I'm curious too. We can't exactly transfer it right? Not without a Bank update (or by asking us to own two handhelds again).

I do wish I could use Bank for easy transfer of items between my games. Wonder why they didn't allow it.

They could allow it for a specific Pokemon maybe? Maybe it might turn out to be an evolution item and the Pokemon will evolve when it makes it into your Sun or Moon save file.

 

[Joqu]

We're getting a Bank update either way to be fair. Gotta be able to support Sun and Moon and the virtual console releases of Red, Blue and Yellow.

Maybe they'll add an option for the strange souvenir, or items in general even, too.

edit: Thinking about it the strange souvenir could be their second attempt at the unreleased time capsule thing they had planned for HG/SS to B/W, which wasn't too exciting in terms of reward. This time they've already given us the item though.

 

[NeonZ]

Seems like they saw an anniversary date coming up and decided a new gen was a better idea.

Maybe Gen 7 will have an XY sequel to tie everything up.

The only thing they need to tie up is adding Zygarde's alternate forms. They can easily do that in Sun & Moon's post game though, even if they don't want to add part of Kalos to them. It wouldn't be the first time that legends reappear in completely different places.

I wouldn't be bothered by a Kalos post-game though, even though the region would be an obvious downgrade in graphical quality compared to the main game. Although even if only post-game, they'd still need a bunch of new character models, which makes it unlikely.

 

[Toxi]

I wonder how much they'll play up the sun and moon theme. They've made quite a few sun and moon pokemon already. Even the Eeveelutions have a sun and moonlight version (Espeon and Umbreon).

Hell, they already did the sun and moon theme with box legendaries. Ho-Oh is themed around the sun and Lugia is themed around the moon.

It's why Lugia is associated with the ocean and the tides despite being a Psychic type. Hell, even the title screens of Gold and Silver emphasized the connection.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

The only thing they need to tie up is adding Zygarde's alternate forms and such. They can easily do that in Sun & Moon's post game, even if they don't want to add part of Kalos. It wouldn't be the first time that legends reappear in completely different places.

XY and ORAS also introduced a lot of lore points that need to be addressed too, like AZOTH

 

[Joqu]

I'm just hoping the Zygarde formes won't end up being some strange anime only thing, I've grown pretty fond of them. I know they've appeared in the TCG and all, but I don't think that means much? I remember owning some weird Pokemon cards.

 

[Subtervotion]

The more I look at the new starters the more I like them. When I first saw them I my initial reaction was 'omg, they are hideous.'

Litten is my dude though. Rowlet looks pretty cute too. Popplio... well I hope his final looks good.

 

[CazTGG]

It's likely that Sun/Moon may place more emphasis on the day/night cycle since there hasn't been much expansion on that since Diamond & Pearl which, even then, was more an aesthetic advancement than any sort of mechanical improvement i.e. having dusk and dawn changes along with a few day/night time evolutions like Riolu evolving via high friendship during the day into Lucario.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

I'm curious too. We can't exactly transfer it right? Not without a Bank update (or by asking us to own two handhelds again).

I do wish I could use Bank for easy transfer of items between my games. Wonder why they didn't allow it.

There were items that they probably didn't want in the current generation (gems, EXP Share, other items that has changed).
Even ORAS isn't fully compatible with XY.

 

[MegaManTrigger]

Yeah, but I'm arguing the delta episode doesn't invalidate the general sentiment expressed in that tweet. People take the split too literally.

Unless you're saying XY takes place around the same time as ORAS instead of BW, that's another discussion. XY didn't really do much to tie itself to any other region timing-wise so it's pretty flexible in that regard. The closest thing we've got to figure that out is the whole Looker thing.

It does when you start thinking about it suggesting that there are separate universes. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it starts bringing up questions about what is considered a self-contained universe and what isn't, and calls into question whether the original proposed timeline is still relevant. Especially when the older games didn't necessarily show a connection.

We're getting a Bank update either way to be fair. Gotta be able to support Sun and Moon and the virtual console releases of Red, Blue and Yellow.

Maybe they'll add an option for the strange souvenir, or items in general even, too.

edit: Thinking about it the strange souvenir could be their second attempt at the unreleased time capsule thing they had planned for HG/SS to B/W, which wasn't too exciting in terms of reward. This time they've already given us the item though.

I wouldn't hold my breath. GF is usually stubborn when it comes to items and transferring. In fact, there hasn't been a way to transfer items legitimately since the Pal Park in Gen IV. If anything, they'll probably force us to trade it over as SM/XYORAS should still be somewhat compatible when it comes to trading old Pokemon, however this is assuming that there is even a function for the item in the first place.

 

[Daemul]

As far as I'm aware the only thing the multiverse thing in ORAS changed was making Mega Evolution always exist, not the timeline of the games. In ORAS we see a model of the Royal Unova in the Museum in Slateport City saying that it is under construction and won't be completed for however many years, and the Royal Unova appears in BW, so thats a big sign that the timeline hasn't changed.

Unless you're saying XY takes place around the same time as ORAS instead of BW, that's another discussion. XY didn't really do much to tie itself to any other region timing-wise so it's pretty flexible in that regard. The closest thing we've got to figure that out is the whole Looker thing.

Nah, due to the mentions of Fennel, Colress, Team Plasma, Hiker Andy, Shauntal of the E4's books and The Brycen-Man series, we can make an educated guess that XY takes place during or after the events of Gen V.

 

[Toxi]

As far as I'm aware the only thing the multiverse thing in ORAS changed was making Mega Evolution always exist, not the timeline of the games. In ORAS we see a model of the Royal Unova in the Museum in Slateport City saying that it is under construction and won't be completed for however many years, and the Royal Unova appears in BW, so thats a big sign that the timeline hasn't changed.

There are also the Battle Frontier and Mauville in general, especially Sea Mauville.

Speaking of Mauville, I hope we actually get to see some more history. It was easily my favorite part of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire.

 

[NeonZ]

XY and ORAS also introduced a lot of lore points that need to be addressed too, like AZOTH

Isn't Azoth just a Team Aqua/Magma project regarding Mega and Primal evolution? I don't think it's the type of story that would get referenced later since it's tied to game specific teams. The anime is using the Azoth name for a kingdom in the Magiana movie though, so maybe they still plan to do something with it.

 

[Pineapple]

Wow...the video in the OP now has almost 6.5 million views in just over 48 hours.

Impressive.

 

[Joqu]

It does when you start thinking about it suggesting that there are separate universes. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, it starts bringing up questions about what is considered a self-contained universe and what isn't, and calls into question whether the original proposed timeline is still relevant. Especially when the older games didn't necessarily show a connection.

Look, there have always been separate universes to some extend. Version differences alone make that an inevitability. It had just never been used as a plot point before, that's all.

As far as I'm aware the only thing the multiverse thing in ORAS changed was making Mega Evolution always exist, not the timeline of the games. In ORAS we see a model of the Royal Unova in the Museum in Slateport City saying that it is under construction and won't be completed for however many years, and the Royal Unova appears in BW, so thats a big sign that the timeline hasn't changed.



Nah, due to the mentions of Fennel, Colress, Team Plasma, Hiker Andy, Shauntal of the E4's books and The Brycen-Man series, we can make an educated guess that XY takes place during or after the events of Gen V.

That too, I just didn't remember the details of all those mentions too well. I was going to argue we know XY at least takes place after Sinnoh because of the whole Looker and Croagunk thing instead but it comes down to the same thing.

There were items that they probably didn't want in the current generation (gems, EXP Share, other items that has changed).

They could still allow bank use for current gen storage. And if they did decide to do item transferring again they could just block certain items from being transferable

I don't think item transferring between generations is a big deal though. I just want to be able to access my evolutionary items with ease.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I hope this game has fun mini games that don't use the stylus.

 

[ASIS]

Guys I have a small request for some photoshops gurus in this thread.

It's about Litten, I want to know if you can possibly change his colors a bit. I want to see how it looks.

I want to change the black color to a more dark-grey shade. and also soften up the red stripes in his body.

If someone would do that I would be grateful. this is not a "how it should be designed!" request but just I've been thinking about it yesterday and I really want to see how it looks.

thanks in advance.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

Yeah Im wondering about trading in this game...

I have a feeling you can just trade with XY/ORAS....

I mean they all use the same system which is annoying... Probably to force Pokebank usage

 

[Neiteio]

Popplio is probably my overall favorite, but man, Litten is really growing on me. His emo facial expression and tsundere demeanor is just adorable. Plus, he has one of the more striking color schemes among Fire-type starters -- a sharp departure from the usual orange and yellow. And the idea of grooming oily fur only to cough up fiery hairballs is gross, but fun!

 

[Nanashrew]

It'll be rather insulting to get Moon and not see Clefariy anywhere.

I don't think they would take Clefairy out of the Moon version, it just doesn't make any sense.

Hell, they already did the sun and moon theme with box legendaries. Ho-Oh is themed around the sun and Lugia is themed around the moon.

It's why Lugia is associated with the ocean and the tides despite being a Psychic type. Hell, even the title screens of Gold and Silver emphasized the connection.

Well I hope they play it up like crazy!

 

[Regulus Tera]

Hell, they already did the sun and moon theme with box legendaries. Ho-Oh is themed around the sun and Lugia is themed around the moon.

It's why Lugia is associated with the ocean and the tides despite being a Psychic type. Hell, even the title screens of Gold and Silver emphasized the connection.

I've always had the feeling Lugia was supposed to be Water/Flying, but they gave him the psychic typing to evoke the feeling of Mewtwo being the super duper legendary at the end of the game and to not give him a type advantage over Ho-Oh.

It obviously stopped mattering to them by the time they introduced Kyogre and Groudon.

 

[Already Torn]

Hell, they already did the sun and moon theme with box legendaries. Ho-Oh is themed around the sun and Lugia is themed around the moon.

It's why Lugia is associated with the ocean and the tides despite being a Psychic type. Hell, even the title screens of Gold and Silver emphasized the connection.

Worked again when Cressalia was Psychic type I guess. But now Fairy type represents the moon haha

 

[ffdgh]

Guys I have a small request for some photoshops gurus in this thread.

It's about Litten, I want to know if you can possibly change his colors a bit. I want to see how it looks.

I want to change the black color to a more dark-grey shade. and also soften up the red stripes in his body.

If someone would do that I would be grateful. this is not a "how it should be designed!" request but just I've been thinking about it yesterday and I really want to see how it looks.

thanks in advance.

Here's my shoddy attempt.

 

[Exterminieren]

First time that they've skipped a third game for the same gen. Guess they thought it wasn't worth the time and money anymore.

I think it's less that than them seeing a perfect opportunity to capitalise on the twentieth anniversary with an all-new set of games, as well as getting the last bit of juice out of the 3DS userbase.

I'm sure Nintendo were all too keen for them to do so, considering how it's single-handedly holding up their holiday lineup.

 

[Mestizo]

 

[MajorMane]

The loose ends in XYORAS make me hope these games are a Gold/Silver situation. More of a direct sequel. Alola and Kalos aren't right next to each other like Johto and Kanto, but maybe Alola has a moondial akin to the sundial in Anistar City.

It's all very much reach at this point. Time will tell.

 

[Gaiaknight]

Yeah Im wondering about trading in this game...

I have a feeling you can just trade with XY/ORAS....

I mean they all use the same system which is annoying... Probably to force Pokebank usage

god i hope we can directly trade i really dont want to pay for a pokebank subscription to trade over all the pokemon i have bread and ev trained.