Every public statement by Nintendo execs in the last several years has shown they still have no intention of competing with Sony and MS at their own game, a.k.a. specs. Wii U hasn't changed their company philosophy of trying to be unique.
If this news makes you feel betrayed, you really only have yourself to blame for deluding yourself with a fantasy that had no basis behind it whatsoever beyond rumors.
yah, and everyone expected them to change their philosophy now that it hasn't been working for the last few years after releasing one if not the lowest selling home consoles they ever made.
Nintendo will rather release another console that flop instead of changing their thinking to improve the company.
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
It's if they find a solution. We don't know what the performance will be. OG Xbox was bottlecapped badly but had better shaders and instructions etc. GameCube was still scene as plenty powerful too.
And maybe I exaggerated a bit too. Raw power on paper doesn't mean much until we get real world examples and a good look at the internals. OG Xbox was handicapped in many ways that prevented them from achieving the power and performance they wanted.
Comparing OG Xbox to modern systems is a mistake. GPU hardware has changed/is way more predictable performance wise now. Modern Nvidia hardware is more powerful flop for flop than AMD, but otherwise very predictable.
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
I definitely don't care what 10k is saying in response to this and I'm amazed some still strain and bend over backwards out of blind hope to give him even a tiny grain of credibility.
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
The problem with the upgraded models is that some believe developers will power creep and make the baseline console versions run like crap to encourage people to upgrade to better hardware.
Especially since Vulkan is just around the corner and it seems to be creating some serious performance gains.
The X1 can run a fully featured Frostbyte engine at 720/60. Throw in close to double that power and that's nothing to shake your head at.
especially if these rumours are based on a handheld with a 720p screen. A portable that could run a fully featured SW Battlefront, or Mass Effect would be a game changer at those rumoured prices
I think it's much more likely a slightly uninformed source is confusing AMDs Polaris architecture with Nividas Pascal architecture, both which are set to release in the appropriate time frame. If these rumours turn out to be true a 20nm Pascal chip from Nivida seems the most likely outcome
I still remember someone in the WUST thinking that possible fixed function pipelines for backwards compatibility in the Wii U might mean that the Wii U could actually have the best lighting of the next-gen system. That thread was something special.
I still don't 100% believe Emily either though. She only said one thing that was extremely suspect, but for someone like me that's enough to cast doubt.
Yes it is entirely assuming that it is AMD, at this point, there is no reason to assume it is someone else. However I think her post doesn't have enough tech behind it. "polaris" or "polaris-like" is vague, as it can also refer to AMD's 14nm GPUs based on their new architecture, and not any specific chips.
If it's AMD and 14nm, it is "GCN2"/"Polaris" architecture.
I'm done with hardware rumours, western third parties can piss up a rope. I just want better Japanese third party support and better 1st party output this time.
I definitely don't care what 10k is saying in response to this and I'm amazed some still strain and bend over backwards out of blind hope to give him even a tiny grain of credibility.
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
I mean, people expecting Nintendo to skip a generation of power were thinking unrealistically tbh.
catching up min generation was the best anyone could hope for. (The possible revisions for the other consoles make it seem the same as always though lol)
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
Nintendo seems to have iteration in mind from the get go unlike the other two systems from Kimishima's statements. That, and they're standalone computing device patent which they got back after rejection. SCDs are meant to speed up performance as a local cloud with extra CPU and stuff for additional computational power. It's meant to plug right into the NX.
It's not the world ending for Nintendo that I thought it'd be. I would have liked a more powerful system for Nintendo and 3rd parties to work with, but that's not them. So long as the latter can do some work, I'm good.
The problem with the upgraded models is that some believe developers will power creep and make the baseline console versions run like crap to encourage people to upgrade to better hardware.
That's some weird collusion shit that wouldn't benefit the developers directly from the outset. Meaning, they'd have to take it on the chin so people buy Sony's upgraded system, wasting millions to try to convince casual gamers who really don't give a shit about 60FPS to buy an elite version of a system they already own.
These upgraded consoles are going to sell to a smaller group than regular joe, who doesn't care about trading in his system for something that looks and sounds similar. The market is just too small for that.
That's some weird collusion shit that wouldn't benefit the developers directly from the outset. Meaning, they'd have to take it on the chin so people buy Sony's upgraded system, wasting millions to try to convince casual gamers who really don't give a shit about 60FPS to buy an elite version of a system they already own.
These upgraded consoles are going to sell to a smaller group than regular joe, who doesn't care about trading in his system for something that looks and sounds similar. The market is just too small for that.
I think Sony/MS will discontinue the lower-end models at some point. Sony, especially, because they always discontinue older models, even ones that lose features (PS2 dropping the HDD and PS3 dropping BC).
Don't get me wrong. Nintendo does quite well with their compromise of power level vs art direction. I just don't subscribe to the Nintendo hardware "punching above" it's power level argument.
Peoples expectations for the NX are so out of control. Stop expecting PS4 beating hardware, or even PS4 level hardware. Nintendo isn't making a third party dream console, surely we should all know that.
ARM makes sense considering they want their handheld and console to be considered the one platform, right? People have taken that to mean one device, but that seems unlikely. However they would still need to keep both systems on the same architecture, and ARM is the obvious choice for their handheld. Considering that, and considering that it is more logical for the handheld aspect of the NX to lead the development of the console aspect, a ARM based console seems like the most logical path for Nintendo.
Not for a second did I ever think Nintendo were going to try and make a console that would match or beat the PS4. Trying to compete on specs leads to ruin for Nintendo. The NX is the last major roll of the dice for them and for it to work they need to make something that Sony and MS aren't offering. They need to solidify their niche in the market, not chase Sony and MS, and if they were to just spend a fortune on making a system that is little different to a PS4, then why not just release games on the PS4? The fact that Nintendo is still in the hardware game should tell everyone that Nintendo is going to continue doing it their way. Will that fail? Maybe, but the day Nintendo can't do hardware their way anymore is the day we'll see Zelda on Sony and MS consoles.
k, but seriously, if they're coming out with a console that can't manage native 1080p in 2017... I don't even know what to say to that. PS4-level power doesn't require bleeding edge, super expensive technology any more.
I think Sony/MS will discontinue the lower-end models at some point. Sony, especially, because they always discontinue older models, even ones that lose features (PS2 dropping the HDD and PS3 dropping BC).
If the power gain is like, Xbox One level, that's not too bad. That's a lot more than the Wii U had to work with. Sony and MS are only releasing an upgraded model, not a brand new console just yet, so the gap isn't going to be worth anything unless those upgraded models take over the market (they won't).
It could have been better, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be.
That isn't exactly true. ARM is still a Wild West and the competitive Cores are highly custom or cortex A72 which mandate tech to compete with an x86 feature for feature. There are still problems with selecting the proper memory bus and memory chips and we've yet to really see ARM cross into the world where it needs to consider L3 cache and all the performance you can gain, or lose, depending on the proper implementation. Intel and AMD have spent decades tweaking, and failing, to get this right. We do have AMDs ARM opterons with L3 but these are geared towards server workloads.
Nothing from current data suggests ARM is a wunderkind. It has a performance threshold and once they hit the MHz ceiling they fall into the cache and interconnect traps x86 tread with grace due to age and historical workload expectations.
k, but seriously, if they're coming out with a console that can't manage native 1080p in 2017... I don't even know what to say to that. It's got to be at least a bit better than an XB1.
ARM makes sense but, I am not sure nVidia will be providing it as per the other rumour. It just seems so random but all this is speculation so we'll see.....
This would be a wild change as it invalidates literally everything we thought was rumored about NX and raises a lot of questions about what AMD was talking about as they've been mentioning a big contract since before we can be certain Neo was even greenlit. I also don't know what could be used in replacement that would be XB1 ballpark. But this SemiAccurate thing kinda drops these assertions on their head because it strangely corroborates if you understand NX to be two different things and yet we still can't be sure what NX is or if anyone is talking about the same thing.
I don't care about the power, I just care if they're going to strap some gimmick on it. The screen thing didn't do it for me, the waggle really didn't fly with me. Just give me something cool that plays awesome Nintendo games.
It's because Iwata intentionally tried to make consoles as weak as possible. I thought that it wasn't intentional, but you can't make a 2017 console on-par with or even weaker than Xbone without a dedicated effort toward doing so.
I miss the man, but he really had no idea what he was doing in the console space. Other than marketing, Wii was clearly dumb luck.
k, but seriously, if they're coming out with a console that can't manage native 1080p in 2017... I don't even know what to say to that. PS4-level power doesn't require bleeding edge, super expensive technology any more.
this true as well, i expect most Nintendo games to be 1080p/60fps regardless of the overall power, however Nintendo managed quite well on framerate at Wii U.
Xbox ONE to PS4+ would be my guess, but thats a lot of range
It's because Iwata intentionally tried to make consoles as weak as possible. I thought that it wasn't intentional, but you can't make a 2017 console on-par with or even weaker than Xbone without a dedicated effort toward doing so.
I miss the man, but he really had no idea what he was doing in the console space. Other than marketing, Wii was clearly dumb luck.
You'll probably see a lot of 1080p 60fps games...just not multiplatform games. It's NOT going to be a repeat of the Wii U for two reasons:
If Nintendo doesn't include the gamepad again it won't be a system that costs as much as the competition while performing considerably worse.
Nintendo's output will be considerably better (at least quantity wise). As long as one of their systems does well they'll be fine and can pour resources into making games that run on both platforms without running into the issue of "should we put this game on Wii U even though it'll sell better on 3DS?"
If Japanese devs are on board with the next handheld the console will get a lot of those games as well.
So even if the rumor is true, it's not really a bad situation and there's not much to be worried unless you really wanted all your 3rd parties to be best on Nintendo platforms which likely wasn't going to happen anyways with PS4k and PCs in general existing.
The rumor also doesn't even put it below X1 so it's not like AAA multiplats wouldn't be able to run on it.
No idea. I'm not a big tech guy. I just figured someone got the names confused. All we know is that is what AMD and Nivida are calling their latest cutting edge chips Pascall and Polaris. Confusing Maxwell or Skylake and GCN seems less likely.
However it seems to match up with nintendos statements of
Industry leading chips
being in the NX.
It also fits with the Semiaccurate Rumour that Nivida is giving Nintendo a great deal. Nintendo would be getting 20nm chips. (Not exactly industry leading) From Nivida allowing them to continue to fill their contract. While getting a boost up to the most modern architecture ie Industry leading chips. You wouldn't exactly call a 20nm GCN 1.2 chip industry leading in 2017 when the NX is launching.
The Xbox 1 comparisons also make sense considering the rumoured die shrink version due out soon uses a 20nm chip.
It also lines up with the rumour that Global Foundaries made a mistake and confused the 2 chips at some point during the manufacturing.
So while it is all wild speculation. It seems consistent with current speculation
