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[TikiLagoonSam]

Why are people expecting this to be a four figure sum? Valve have explained they went with the 8GB VRAM option to make the device affordable.

Who in their right mind would pay over a grand for a mini PC that has weaker specs than consoles released in 2020?!

All these companies have said and done so many expensive things lately that this is what we expect with this BS tarrif economic climate excuses they use but I hope you are right about the price. What price are you expecting this to be?

 

[Bernkastel]

How much of a performance uplift can they bring in with a $599 box?

Gabe cube will be $499. An extra $100 and subsidy, not sure how much of a jump its gonna be.

Likely it will be due to improved architecture and upscaling.

I feel a proper next gen experience, it will have to be more expensive than that.

You do realize that no one will buy the 1200 $ Windows box for "performance improvement". Steambox will cost 599 $. But no one will buy the 1200 $ Windows box against the Steam box.

You're underestimating the size of the subscription market. Even Ubisoft+ is probably bigger than the whole userbase for SteamOS.

6 million Steam Deck vs estimated 1.8 million Ubisoft+. Most importantly you are ignoring that most of the steam userbase does not care about subscriptions.

Either way, have you tried a Steam Deck? That's likely what you'll get on Steam Machine. Great for Steam, less great for everything else… As said it'a not a closed platform but people will stick to Steam by default because it's what's on the UI.

Thats like saying people will stick to Windows Store it comes with Windows. People stick with Steam because its the definitive store for PC, and some use GOG. Nothing is stopping you from using other stores in Steam box.

 

[Fess]

6 million Steam Deck vs estimated 1.8 million Ubisoft+. Most importantly you are ignoring that most of the steam userbase does not care about subscriptions.

Fair enough Ubisoft is small but "your little cult" is what 40m? And why do you think people say that Gamepass is killing COD and COD is increasing the cost of Gamepass if nobody care about subscriptions?

Thats like saying people will stick to Windows Store it comes with Windows. People stick with Steam because its the definitive store for PC, and some use GOG. Nothing is stopping you from using other stores in Steam box.

On Windows you're booted into the desktop, starting Steam versus Ubisoft Connect or GOG or Xbox is nothing more than double clicking another icon.

Again, have you tried Steam Deck?
You're essentially booting into Steam big picture mode. There is no way to easily go into Ubisoft Connect or GOG or Xbox App there, you're stuck using Steam unless you go out to Linux, and not all launchers are there.

It's really not the same thing at all.

 

[IDKFA]

All these companies have said and done so many expensive things lately that this is what we expect with this BS tarrif economic climate excuses they use but I hope you are right about the price. What price are you expecting this to be

I'm getting mixed messages about the price. People guessing online have suggested anywhere from 400 to over a grand.

Valve have said that they picked these specs with affordability in mind. That tells me it won't be over a grand, because honestly a four figure sum isn't what I'd call affordable for a vast majority.

I also think most people wouldn't bother at that cost because you could build your own for cheaper, plus have better specs.

However, Valve have also said this will be priced as a PC and not a console. What does that mean? 800? 750?

MLID (13:15 in the below video) did a spec breakdown and thinks Valve are targeting 450-600. He stresses that there are factors that may make it cost more. Tariffs are one that you mentioned, but those are currently being challenged by the supreme court, which is why Valve might not have announced a price yet.

 

[Bernkastel]

Fair enough Ubisoft is small but "your little cult" is what 40m? And why do you think people say that Gamepass is killing COD and COD is increasing the cost of Gamepass if nobody care about subscriptions?

Thats because a lot of the COD audience is okay with it.

On Windows you're booted into the desktop, starting Steam versus Ubisoft Connect or GOG or Xbox is nothing more than double clicking another icon.

Again, have you tried Steam Deck?
You're essentially booting into Steam big picture mode. There is no way to essily go into Ubisoft Connect or GOG or Xbox App there, you're stuck using Steam unless you go out to Linux, and not all launchers are there.

It's really not the same thing at all.

Why are you comparing desktop Windows interface with Steam Deck UI? Do you think it would be easy to install Steam on Magnus?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

You do realize that no one will buy the 1200 $ Windows box for "performance improvement". Steambox will cost 599 $. But no one will buy the 1200 $ Windows box against the Steam box.

Who cares how much it will sell.

It will be the best system, that will come at a cost.

If they are able to price it at $999, it will be quite appealing for a proper upgrade over current gen systems.

 

[Bernkastel]

Who cares how much it will sell.

It will be the best system, that will come at a cost.

If they are able to price it at $999, it will be quite appealing for a proper upgrade over current gen systems.

Anyone can build the best system using the latest Ryzen x3D CPU and latest Radeon GPU. You can upgrade it and even put 64 GB RAM to edit 4K 120 fps videos in Davinci Resolve.

If you want "the best", you won't get the Xbox. Remember an Xbox forces you to make Microsoft accounts. And the bios in Xbox won't even support Linux.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Anyone can build the best system using the latest Ryzen x3D CPU and latest Radeon GPU. You can upgrade it and even put 64 GB RAM to edit 4K 120 fps videos in Davinci Resolve.

If you want "the best", you won't get the Xbox. Remember an Xbox forces you to make Microsoft accounts. And the bios in Xbox won't even support Linux.

Of course.

A high end pc is the best.

Which is what its closest to. So by extension…..

 

[Fess]

Thats because a lot of the COD audience is okay with it.

Why are you comparing desktop Windows interface with Steam Deck UI? Do you think it would be easy to install Steam on Magnus?

Because the Steam Deck UI is likely similar to what you'll see when you boot up your Steam Machine.
Or do you think you'll boot it in Linux desktop?
No I don't think the next Xbox will be any different, go back and read what I said in the first reply you quoted. Both are going to feel soft locked to specific storefronts. At best you'll be able to boot already installed games from other launchers in the main UI. Xbox App add installed games automatically though, but you still has to go to the respective launcher and do the initial install.

In Playnite you can install and launch games from all launchers from one menu. That's fully open. No focus on any specific storefront.