gutter_trash
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...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world bern.
TPM: Vitriol from Sanders' campaign coming from the top
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...some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world bern.
Boombloxer
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Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
But if it isn't...the revolution you're after already happened. The only thing you'd be burning down is progress.
Henry Jones Jr
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I'm only sporadically following things anymore but what is the worst shit Sanders himself (not his supporters) has leveled at Clinton?
eNut_ButteR
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Let's see, she's a war hawk who will continue happily drone striking targets in Pakistan.
Her behavior towards women is just as problematic if not more so than Trump's, who wears his misogyny on his sleeve.
Her political stance is far too moderate, even right-leaning for my taste.
Even as far as politicians getting caught on camera lying go (which happens to most of them at one point or another) she's easily one of the worst.
Got child rapist off. Blah, blah, impartial justice. Sorry, my moral compass is grayish. Not that gray.
The e-mail shit, the foundation scandals, relationship with those wahabi Saudi fucks, etc.
It goes on and on.
Just like Bernard's campaign; this type of poster is getting old. They can't explain themselves yet feel the need to post vague underhanded comments which amount to nothing more than noise. But if anyone dares asks them to clarify and elaborate it's all 'baits' and 'well I don't have time right now you see...' and then off they go. Like I said, it's getting old.
DragonSworne
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There is a strong correlation between conspiracy theorists and Trump supports. I can definitely see these people who are constantly blaming the establishment for all of Bernie's failings switching over and voting for Trump. They fall right into that conspiracy theory camp.
That she is corrupt, bought by Wall St., actively seeks to disenfranchise voters, and unfit to be POTUS despite being the most qualified female politician in the history of the western world.
Sanders' campaign has moved from political process to a cult lashing out at any and all "nonbelievers". They're the left wing Tea Party. The Scientology of politics. All dissension is heresy and heresy must be attacked and snuffed out by any means necessary.
He's going to get someone killed and gives not one fuck about that imminent reality.
"Revolutions" (LOL) sure are fun when you aren't negatively affected, huh? The thing is while you're playing out your fantasy real people are going to be hurt.
Dash_Riprock
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I hope you have your tickets to Canada booked.
No, it barely started. Give it another 30 years. When there is no middle class anymore, and 97% of Americans live I poverty, the people will rise up.
gutter_trash
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Prime Minister Trudeau is pro-Hillary
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Let me put it in real word terms for you:
Our campaign of course believes in a solid moral foundation and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including rape and sexual assault. But, when we speak of rape, I should add here that the outfits some of them wear are provocative.
She's too right leaning for someone who considers a dev mocking GG to be politically correct bullshit?
That's a stretch.
eNut_ButteR
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Nah, I'm not going to leave my country because some monster gets elected. I was alive when Reagan was in office, I'll weather this old-bags storm no problem.
Besides, if Bernie is as rabid as the OP suggests he may run 3rd party, in which case, yeah. Hillary is fucked.
Hasphat'sAnts
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lol. and they say the black voters vote against their interests.
Dash_Riprock
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Keep telling yourself that. His base can barely get off their ass to vote, and since they value Anti-Establishment more than any concrete political position, they'll just flock over to Trump.
Bernie is fucked either way.
ClosingADoor
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Fair point, agreed.
Don't see how.
So you rather have Trump on the extreme right then a moderate?
Examples?
We talking this story? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...7/did-hillary-clinton-ask-be-relieved-rapist/
BotoxAgent
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the violence in Nevada was unfortunate, and it would be unfair to paint the whole group for the actions of a few. But it's beginning to look worse. Sanders really really needed to act swiftly and clearly against those acts just for the sake of distancing his campaign from them. It was an opportunity to look like a leader...but he failed to do that with his tepid backhanded response--that's worrisome. And he should be challenged for that failing.
There's definitely FRAUD going on in the primaries, but if this article is true, it's not the election process
There's definitely FRAUD going on in the primaries, but if this article is true, it's not the election process
eNut_ButteR
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No doubt. But if I'm being honest I thought he was fucked after NY. Surprised he's come this far in this first place.
What does that even mean? He said he fells like he was treated unfairly and people shouldn't be harassed or threatened for it.
Are you baiting?
Dash_Riprock
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He is fucked. He's just too stupid and arrogant to see it, like this article suggests.
Orbis Tabula
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Old bag, you say?
We'll see. Sanders is largely living on the "not Hillary" protest vote by Dems who will come home in the fall. Meanwhile Sanders, his campaign, his surrogates, and the vocal supporters are revealing themselves to be the vile ideologues a minority of us have been calling them all along.
He's doing more harm than good to his political legacy at this point and diminishing any real support he would see as a 3rd party candidate. It might still be enough to Nader the election and give ti to Donald Trump, but I wouldn't consider that a lock by any means.
If anything I think the article is trying to say he has anger issues and it's affecting the whole campaign.
I wish we knew who the sources are.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Are we reading different articles? Where did he victim blame?
The problem with burning down the house is that everyone inside dies. And there are millions of regular people just trying to live out their lives in that house.
Case in point: Bernie delegates may have had an easier time at the Nevada convention last weekend if more of them actually showed up.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
"Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked."
in other words.
We condemn violence and personal harassment but they had it coming.
I can't make it any clearer.
Boombloxer
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Ok, now Im convinced. Well played.
Henry Jones Jr
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Don't you get it? Bernie is just as bad as Trump. He is stupid, arrogant, has an anger problem, and is trying to get people that support Clinton killed!
Dash_Riprock
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Game Change 3 is going to be a day one buy for me. A BTS look into Bernie's campaign would be worth it alone.
Nonsense, the statement straight up said, "We're sorry, BUT this wouldn't have happened if A, B, and C"
secondspace
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I feel like a no quotes hit piece like this is more likely to divide the Democrats than unite the party behind Hilary. The partisan militancy of a lot of Hilary supporters seems misplaced now that she's as good as won the race to be honest. It's time to embrace the Bernie supporters, not accuse them of being conspiracy theorists, bros or Trumpers.
ClosingADoor
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How is this a hit piece? Using unnamed sources does not make something automatically untrustworthy.
Your quote doesn't mention him saying anything like "they had it coming" he is saying on of his offices was also attacked
'If x didn't go the way it did, things would have been different'.
Sounds a lot like Trump's rationalization of violence- Who also came out 'against' it but basically said 'Well, if the people are angry enough... What can I do to stop them?' It's what Sanders is doing now.
Conspiracy theorists? Tell me, how did Sanders handle this issue when it was brought up yesterday directly... Or how did he address the issue nationally during his practically endless stump speech? It seems he discussed everything but the NBA finals and what happened in Nevada.
Condemning violence and then following it with a "but" is not a condemnation, it's an excuse.
Dash_Riprock
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FFS, its not a hit piece just because it badmouths a candidate you like. And people will stop calling them conspiracy theorists when they stop dismissing any negative article on their guy as a "hit piece."
We're going round in circles here.
you realize if the current two party system goes away, we're just going to end up with another two party system a few years down the line, right?
that's how the United States works
structurally, it's not set up for anything else to be workable
It's time to embrace the Bernie supporters who are sending death threats to party leaders.
gutter_trash
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I was dumbfounded when he lied to all those college kids about being able to win the majority of Pledged Delegates....
...WTF
Steep climb? More like a spider trying to crawl out of toilet bowl
Dubbedinenglish
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Telling how his response was to Trump supporters' violence versus violence from his own. He has one standard for him self and another for everyone else. Thank goodness he isn't going to bat for the Dems this fall, would be a disaster.
Henry Jones Jr
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I'm not really on any side here but I would say it makes it less trustworthy than if there were a named source. Also it is strange that there is not a single direct quote from this unnamed source, so we are not even getting what they said--we are only getting that was filtered and perhaps interpreted by the author without the basis for that interpretation.
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