Herb Alpert
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Depends on which kind of potato we are talking about...
Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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Depends on which kind of potato we are talking about...
Don't know if they will, but getting the sports games back to their platform should be one of their top priorities concerning third parties. Let EA use mario in a fifa street spin-off and get those sport titles there day one.
I still want a Turducken Amiibo!
Yeah or just because it is the only term they feel friendly with because of their Windows PCs.
My guess: Those people don't know what they are talking about.
We don't even know what sort of chips it has, let alone what type of potato they came from.
#imhereallweek #youarewelcome
Possumowner
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I think in the end it will be a Sweet Potato.Not well loved,but damned good for you.
In truth we know bugger all
Skittzo0413
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That brought me dangerously close to choking on my coffee, thank you!
I think most of us can agree that architecture or performance don't affect third party support nearly as much as the size and composition of the install base.
One of the major pitfalls of the Wii U is that Nintendo presented it at launch as a box that will get all the third parties, and they tried to give the launch to third party games, I believe they even said as much. The problem with this strategy is that, at least on Nintendo hardware, third parties will not continue to support your platform when the install base won't buy enough of the third party software, and since Nintendo themselves didn't give many people a reason to buy a Wii U near launch (piss poor first party support) the install base never grew.
With the NX, they need to focus on getting out as many high profile Nintendo games as possible around launch, and ideally have those games span a number of genres which will pull in as many early adopters as possible. After that they obviously need to continue to support the console, but ideally if the install base grows initially to a certain point then the third party support SHOULD improve.
Architecture and power don't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. If the audience is there, the third parties will be there too.
shark sandwich
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My understanding is that the ISA (x86, ARM, etc) has essentially no impact on how difficult it is to port software from one platform to another. You aren't going to take binary code from e.g. an iPhone game and run it on NX.
wonderful103
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People on here should know better. The CPUs in the current consoles have been the bane of many developers. And it isn't because they're sufficiently up to the task of what many ask of them.
The story still hasn't come out of why they didn't go with the original 4 steamroller plan, though I suspect it was either that steamroller wasn't quite ready or that it got too hot. Not that steamroller turned out to be amazing either, but 4 giant turds have a much higher ipc than 8 turdlets
Skittzo0413
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I think the SCDs are relevant enough to this thread because they could be an essential factor into how powerful the console can get, so I'll quickly discuss my thoughts after reading the patent specification like I said I would:
First, here is the google patents link.
So, the patent was presented on GAF as being a cloud computing device, but the main focus from the specification is on the capabilities of the Supplemental Computing Device (SCD), and the cloud discussion is mainly discussed as a means of connecting the SCD to the console, so in my mind it's a secondary feature.
The specification employs typical patent speak by using general terms like "processor" and "storage" when referring to what's inside the SCDs, but looking specifically at paragraphs 25-26 and 31 gives me an idea of what components will likely be in each device in the final product (if there is one):
These specific mentions of GPU in the console and video cards not in the SCD seems to indicate to me that, at least in one of their ideal embodiments, the SCD will not include a GPU. So this to me shows that they have not solved the problem that you and others mentioned (using a separate GPU to supplement a first GPU) and are not even attempting to address expanding the GPU capabilities with an SCD.
Note: I'm really not well versed in this type of tech, so I don't if the same problems exist for CPUs, but I imagine it's generally easier to offload CPU processing since I know parallel computing is a thing.
So it seems to me that the major focus of the SCD is to provide a supplemental CPU and supplemental RAM and increase the functionality of your device that way, while not including any extra GPU capabilities.
I suppose it could be possible to offload some GPU functions to the CPU of the SCD, but I imagine that would require rather specialized software built from the ground up, and I'm not sure if that type of specialization is something Nintendo would be interested in. The expanded RAM seems simple enough, though it would clearly need a decent connection speed.
But either way you guys are right, this doesn't seem like it could be used to replace a full on console gen upgrade, unless of course there is something I'm missing about how all these components interact with each other (which there likely is).
stan423321
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The specific phrasing "video card", as opposed to, say, "graphics processor", could be interpreted as the output generator. Surprisingly enough these are apparently still complex to produce (see: nVidia cheapening their way out of making them with Optimus laptops dependent on APU ones). Note that it is said that "processor can be implemented as microprocessors, microcontrollers, GPU, and/or other stuff".
So if they put GPU (or APU) on SCD but still streamed it through "base system" SCD could still end up being a relatively simple device. Of course using multiple GPUs at once to render a common scene (instead of splitting the GPU physics out, or doing split-screen, or maybe some super complex HUD) would be non-trivial.
Skittzo0413
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Well they use the term "GPU" when describing the console itself, not the SCD. The exact quote,
is specifically referring to the processor 202, which is the processor within the console 102, rather than the SCD 104.
While you're of course right that video card =/= GPU, it just strikes me as a bit odd when they explicitly describe the processor of the console but not the SCD, and then go on to discuss things which don't need to be in the SCD, the video card being one of them. This suggests that the video card might not be needed because, on top of it not needing to connect to a display, a GPU might not be present.
That's how I read it anyway.
ecosse_011172
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10K's latest GPU "revelations" are
900MHz-1400MHz Clock
24 ROPs
70-80 TMUs
1000-1400 Stream Processors
2TF-3TF
Closest off the shelf equivalent - R7 470
900MHz-1400MHz Clock
24 ROPs
70-80 TMUs
1000-1400 Stream Processors
2TF-3TF
Closest off the shelf equivalent - R7 470
GhostTrick
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ViewtifulJC
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470
IN 2017
IN 2017
Does he even think about how much it would cost?
GhostTrick
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I think he meant R7 470.
Not much actually. That'd be a pretty low end GPU part. Although it's bullshit for multiple reasons. First the spectrum is bullshit. Wtf is that wide range ? 1000 to 1400 shader units ? 900 to 1400mhz ?? It's like putting random numbers and hope to be between these.
Also 24 ROPs ? Come on that's a joke :")
AMD GPU's have from 8, 16, 32, 64 ROPs. Not 24.
Revelaitons.
Angry Chair
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Please stop enabling him and the people sending him fake shit.
10k is also claiming that Eminem's video game studio struck a deal with Sega to port Jet Set Radio Future to the NX.
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/732787802744717312
Sorceror12
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10K at least is more entertaining with his rumors... we all know Emily Rogers has 4 years experience. Maybe Emily is over qualified.
Graphics Horse
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Oh that's who Shady games are. Fucking hell, is someone easing him into posting rumours of an Acid Ghost revival project?
Not GTX 470. --that would be Nvidia Fermi architecture that dates back to 2009-2010 (released in 2010).
I think he meant (as already said) Radeon R9 470 (AMD Polaris).
It could potentially be an add-on for the handheld.
Three pieces of hardware:
NX Console
NX Handheld
NXSCD
Whoever owns an NX Handheld can buy a NXSCD to get the same abilities as the NX Console without having to buy an extra console.
Yeah I didn't realize who "Shady Games" were until he said this.
https://twitter.com/Tenkay23/status/732787996735492097
http://www.mtv.com/news/2371613/eminem-shady-wars-video-game/
Too many parts! I think just a handheld and a console with a single shared/scaled software library makes the most sense right now. Later on they can introduce new models, new revisions or even new category devices that can take advantage of that shared software ecosystem and grow userbase.
I'm skeptical of the SCD theories anyway. Add-ons never seem to do that well and distributed computing seems like such a leap forward for a company like Nintendo.
Eolz
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Good old 10k. His full tweet on the matter is even more bullshit btw.
He's just running with whichever speculation/rumor he hears nowadays, and trying to make a mix of those.
Because if they want 3rd party support they need to make porting as simple as possible. similar hardware makes that task much easier. The real question is how much support for popular middleware (Unreal Engine, Unity, etc) Nintendo will provide in the box.
Not saying they care about Third Party support, but if they did, those are things they would take into consideration during the console design.
And nothing that has been rumored has said they haven't taken those things in to consideration.
TLZ
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ecosse_011172
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He's corrected it to 32 ROPS now.
Bless.
What are the chances of this being true?
It's a sub 50w GPU but I'd be shocked if true.
Zero, since he changed it. Just ignore him. He keeps changing his story, which is the calling card of a fake. Clockspeed range is too big, and max is too high.
considering the context... i'd say about 4% chance of this being true.
How did i come up with 4% you ask? Same source as the guy giving 10k his intel.
His ass
cartman414
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It's still a first. Mobile ports are practically always downparted by virtue of platform.
Will developers/publishers be open to straight ports that crossover between the two architectures? Time will tell.
cartographer
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About the same chance of me hitting you in the head with pistachio shell I just threw in the garbage.
I'm more or less the same. I'll play those other games and have fun with them but they really don't compel me to buy a console or anything. Biggest third party franchise for me in the last five years has been Monster Hunter, and before that the biggest was Sonic.
I'm getting a new PC this year and hope to get something with a GPU strong enough to run PS360 games so that I can try some of the more interesting stuff that I missed that also made it to PC (which is most of it).
Omnistalgic
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but you aren't only gaming on Nintendo platforms, you have a PC. For many Ps/Xbox is their gateway to third party titles. And huge huge communities just aren't on Nintendo. Minecraft wasn't for the longest, Most fighting games besides Nintendo's own Smash Brothers aren't on it, the shooters as you mentioned, a bunch of indies skip Nintnedo etc...rocket league absolutely blew up on consoles particular PS, it's not associated with PC exclusively , and that's another growing community that has nothing to do with Nintendo.
I'm really not into all the big AAA releases either, but even so, Nintendo platforms are still lacking IMO as a primary gaming console. I'm not sure Nintendo's own studios can cover it but I'd be happy to be wrong.
TwEE-N-Toast
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"Nintendos President Tastumi Kimishima advised that the NX will not be a successor to the Wii U, but will be a home console sold alongside the Wii U and 3DS consoles."
That sounds like their DS 3rd pillar talk.
That sounds like their DS 3rd pillar talk.
Didn't they do the same for the Wii U?
Pretty much, but it doesn't make sense when you think about it. The DS was advertised as a 3rd pillar because the Game Boy brand was so strong that Nintendo wanted an out in case the DS brand flopped.
The Wii brand however is dead in the water, and sales of the Wii U are almost non-existent. Besides, the system has already been out for almost 4 years, and Nikkei reported Nintendo would soon end production of the system. Nintendo denied it, saying it's not an official statement, but in this case, I must say I'm in the "if there's smoke" camp.
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